News Let's talk about Gnosis and the Cone Sector

I rarely want to reply to the developers but I think it needs to be said. I understand a game of this scale is hard to make and you try to give "hope" to your player base(Q3) but it's not the best idea to promise something and take it away. All you would have had to do was hide what you want to hide (to a story that barley exists) then allow a jump that most prepared for for WEEKS! If you didn't want us to go there then Say NO from the start and I bet this upset would have not happened in the 1st place. (Well they might have been a bit mad but not this bad) you might have people posting "thanks for the information" and "your are doing a good job" BUT they really want to say "you are jerks" because you took out carrier ship and ice planets upgrade (which you promised for Q3), BUT then you promise an event that thousands of players clung onto for HOPE that the developers care. True you did give season 3 for free BUT all you gave us was a "few" ships and gear.(carrier ships is what 80% of the community was hoping for in Q3 but you threw it out to probably guarantee people paying for Q4) Reguardless of the game content, we haven't had an event that caused us to unify as a group as this is what kills your player base. (Don't say cg's do that because they dont) in the end I'm NOT going to kiss your butt but I will say that I'll need a promise (AND I WANT IT KEPT) of what Q4 will be before I pay for it because I'm 90% done with your game and your company as a hole. I doubt you will even read this but it doesn't hurt to try.....
 
It seems you and I have very similar viewer bases and subscriber numbers - and this is exactly 100% my reaction. The issue isn't that it was leaked early, as it trying to be spun here - it's that the community was lead along for a farce - it's even worse to know now that they never had any intention of allowing us to jump into Cone and that thousands of commanders spend thousands of hours working to plan for the "event".

This really is Elite at the lowest point I've seen in my 2 years, 3800 hours and 15,000 subscribers.

It's very, very sad.

Exactly my thoughts on the matter, so disappointing that they teased the community like this and let so many people commit so much time towards nothing.
 
Sure.

I understand why you feel it's disappointing. I can only really echo what's said in the first post. Ultimately the location was locked off, it was never intended or ready to be explored. After the Gnosis set its sights on that location and the beginnings of some emergent community event started there was a decision. The decision was made instead of saying no and close off the loophole, and have this considered "god modding" in some way, to instead weave it into the actual narrative and have the Gnosis involved in the reveal of the newest Thargoid threat. I do appreciate that having the article go live early and people having a few hours without context means that it was less than positive. Add to this some bugs which hampered peoples involvement in it and I can understand the disappointment.

Should we simply have said "no" and closed off the system? That's an interesting debate. Historically we've seen a lot of negative reception to actions like that. It's certainly the easier option rather than trying to react to the event, make new content and so on.

Please do add more surprises. And please add NPC and station interactions when they see thargoids.

Lot of this reaction is that lot of players have grown to see ED as safe - nothing challenges their comfort zone. Even interdictions from NPCs are easy to beat. That's why many assumet they won't be challenged and it will be just a sexy school trip.
 
You can try to explain to them what means the "Dangerous" of the game title.

...........

It has nothing to do with the state of the Galaxy, it is from a rank in the Pilot's Federation. I suggest you find the video of "The Braben" presentation about the game where he explains this because I can't be bothered to look it up yet again.

:rolleyes:
 
Please do add more surprises.

Lot of this reaction is that lot of players have grown to see ED as safe - nothing challenges their comfort zone. Even interdictions from NPCs are easy to beat. That's why many assumet they won't be challenged and it will be just a sexy school trip.

Mate...
 
Should we simply have said "no" and closed off the system?

You should have had Gnosis "bounce off" the locked system and misjump to some random, unexplored part of the galaxy. I think this would have been a more rewarding alternative for explorers, for whom this event was originally planned, than to have us shredded on the landing pads in our non-combat ships.

There are two AX megaships available for CMDRs looking combat, so why was the one science ship in the game turned into a battleground?
 
Sure.

I understand why you feel it's disappointing. I can only really echo what's said in the first post. Ultimately the location was locked off, it was never intended or ready to be explored. After the Gnosis set its sights on that location and the beginnings of some emergent community event started there was a decision. The decision was made instead of saying no and close off the loophole, and have this considered "god modding" in some way, to instead weave it into the actual narrative and have the Gnosis involved in the reveal of the newest Thargoid threat. I do appreciate that having the article go live early and people having a few hours without context means that it was less than positive. Add to this some bugs which hampered peoples involvement in it and I can understand the disappointment.

Should we simply have said "no" and closed off the system? That's an interesting debate. Historically we've seen a lot of negative reception to actions like that. It's certainly the easier option rather than trying to react to the event, make new content and so on.

OK, wow - sorry I'm only just getting this, so ..

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The Gnosis was never going to be allowed to jump into the Cone sector; that's reserved by Frontier for future use; rather than just say no to Canonn the mis-jump narrative was created by Frontier to make an event out of it; once the current situation with the Gnosis is over it won't then be carrying on into the Cone sector?
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Out of curiosity ... were Canonn aware this was what was going to happen? (I quite understand if nobody wants to answer that).

Interesting.
 
Sure.

I understand why you feel it's disappointing. I can only really echo what's said in the first post. Ultimately the location was locked off, it was never intended or ready to be explored. After the Gnosis set its sights on that location and the beginnings of some emergent community event started there was a decision. The decision was made instead of saying no and close off the loophole, and have this considered "god modding" in some way, to instead weave it into the actual narrative and have the Gnosis involved in the reveal of the newest Thargoid threat. I do appreciate that having the article go live early and people having a few hours without context means that it was less than positive. Add to this some bugs which hampered peoples involvement in it and I can understand the disappointment.

Should we simply have said "no" and closed off the system? That's an interesting debate. Historically we've seen a lot of negative reception to actions like that. It's certainly the easier option rather than trying to react to the event, make new content and so on.

Interesting, but in this case the "woven narrative" has been that "no" means "we'll try anyway" and FDev's posts have supported it, with the cryptic "Watch the skies" tag, so it was always seen as happening in some respect. You can easily see why the expectations outgrew the potential.

I'd hope it went wrong, but REALLY wrong - like 1000s of LYs wrong. 12 felt a bit flat. :)
 
More open-only player events like this one for the future please Fdev... [haha]

What are you talking about ? :rolleyes:

I play only in Mobius, I logged in, I was attacked. Some players were fighting.... Some other were jumping out of the system... Finally, I was destroyed because of too much curiosity :D

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Should we simply have said "no" and closed off the system? That's an interesting debate. Historically we've seen a lot of negative reception to actions like that. It's certainly the easier option rather than trying to react to the event, make new content and so on.

We thought we finally had a real community event, something we all can share and talk about. Even if the Cone sector was completely void of content, we could still would have shared something special.
This is anything but.

Sometimes the easier option is the best option.
 
Ah… people should understand that they are lucky that Ed is actively developed. :rolleyes:

Try to guess what mess would be if itsn't were… [haha]
 
OK, wow - sorry I'm only just getting this, so ..

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The Gnosis was never going to be allowed to jump into the Cone sector; that's reserved by Frontier for future use; the mis-jump was the narrative Frontier created to handle the situation; once the current situation with the Gnosis is over it won't then be carrying on into the Cone sector?
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Out of curiosity ... were Canonn aware this was what was going to happen? (I quite understand if nobody wants to answer that).

Interesting.

If Cannon didn't view this as most likely scenario then I will really ask do they understand how locked regions work and why they are locked.
 
So The Gnosis wasn't going to Cone from the start, you just didn't want to say "No" to Canonn.

I could have heard the whinging along the lines of,

"Why oh why couldn't they have at least done something instead of saying a flat out no? What about if the ship jumps but gets attacked by Thargoids and we have a live situation with them round the Gnosis. That would have been cool. But no, good old FDev decided they just couldn't even be bothered with that. It's sad"

Am I doing this right?
 
The decision was made instead of saying no and close off the loophole, and have this considered "god modding" in some way, to instead weave it into the actual narrative and have the Gnosis involved in the reveal of the newest Thargoid threat. I do appreciate that having the article go live early and people having a few hours without context means that it was less than positive. Add to this some bugs which hampered peoples involvement in it and I can understand the disappointment.
I don't see a narrative here. Aside from the Galnet article, the change to the HUD and the bug spawn, the station is a) looking completly fine and b) no distress in radio chatter. I mean AXI and Red Wing are supposed to be bug crazy, bold and fearless, but that station control not even comments on the danger in any way and rather saying "o7 commander" and whatnot is just breaking the entire atmosphere.
And regarding to bugs. A simple test run on a gnosis clone in a test enviorment should have revealed, the problem with fire zones and the instant destruction on leave.
Right now this does not seem like a narrative even though, you wanted it to be that way.

Should we simply have said "no" and closed off the system? That's an interesting debate. Historically we've seen a lot of negative reception to actions like that. It's certainly the easier option rather than trying to react to the event, make new content and so on.
I mean the council would probably not made a whole deal out of an rejection, if you told them, that the permit lock was not in place, due to not having accounted for the gnosis at the time.
 

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Please do add more surprises.

Lot of this reaction is that lot of players have grown to see ED as safe - nothing challenges their comfort zone. Even interdictions from NPCs are easy to beat. That's why many assumet they won't be challenged and it will be just a sexy school trip.

You don't understand. Everybody hoped there would be Thargs attacking. But in a new emergent context. Alas, nothing new here. Well...Cmdrs fined and deported because of defending the Gnosis is quite new. My bad.
 
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