LFT 509 and Witch's Reach - A call to identify the factions that issue the permits to these two systems (if any such faction exists)
Apparently both systems have been intentionally locked as per this thread. Quite sad. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=176986&page=2
Please don't merge this with the permit discussion mega thread because I don't want this to be drowned out with the rest of the discussion......because no one has time to read hundreds of pages of a thread, much less answer a question asked several pages back.
The Question and Call for Help:
Maybe no one knows, or maybe someone has searched the general area but haven't shared your findings publicly (or you have, but I somehow missed it). Or maybe my own searches in the forums and google have been ineffective and the answer has in fact been answered on the internet. If this last possibility is the case, I humbly beg forgiveness and thank the person who enlightened me.
Regardless, this is a call to the community to help identify the factions associated with LFT 509 and Witch's Reach once and for all. These two systems, along with Isinor, have special "beacons" that contain goodies that can be farmed just like the ones in Isinor. However, unlike Isinor, I have not been able to find any information regarding how to actually obtain these two permits.
If you have information, please share and I will update this thread (and my other permit thread, located here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=122593 which clocks in at almost 18 THOUSAND views so far....and growing) with the information.
OBJECTION!!
The most likely objection to this call is this: that these systems, containing no stations or populations, have no associated factions and are therefore unobtainable until Frontier gets around to adding more content.
REBUTTAL!!
1) Isinor has no stations, and no population. Yet there is definitely an identified faction at three separate systems (you can see them in my other thread). This faction definitely issues a permit.
2) These two systems, like Isinor, were identified by name in 1.2. That means Frontier wants people to have them.....eventually.
Granted, these rebuttals don't PROVE the existence of such a faction, but that fact doesn't rule out the possibility that such a faction DOES exist and no one has bothered to post information about it.
HYPOTHESIS AND METHODOLOGY TO FIND THE ANSWER!!
1) Within a specific radius of LFT 509/Witch's Reach there exists a faction that issues a permit to these two systems. This radius will be established based on the furthest known-to-the-community-or-disclosed-by-Frontier distance an expanded faction can possibly exist from its home star.
How to do this:
a) Identify a list of independent factions as a test sample, preferably around 8-10 (Sirus Corp not included), which has expanded factions.
b) Identify all known expansions of these various factions
c) Go to each faction's home system and determine how far the furthest expansion is.
d) The highest distance-from-home-system figure (plus an arbitrary 5-10 light years) is the figure to be used. For example, if the greatest distance of any faction-expansion has not exceeded 15 light years from the home system, then 25 light years will be the search radius.
2) Once the above radius has been established, a list of systems and their factions must be listed.
How to establish this list:
a) Go to a nearby star of each permit system, and list all the stars in a separate notepad.
b) Go to another star, on the opposite side, do the same thing, eliminate all duplicates. Rinse and repeat for all nearby stars. Note the distance the permit system is for
c) Once a comprehensive list is made, go to each star and note its distance from the permit system (use the Galaxy map for stars further than 20 LY). Any stars outside the designated search radius will be ignored. Jot down every faction as you visit each star.
d) Post information here so I can add to this OP. Once information is added, it can be refined and reviewed further by other users.
Factions and Systems within (TBD) light years of Witch's Reach
Factions and Systems within (TBD) light years of LFT 509
3) Once the list of factions in #2 has been established, we can then rule out any factions that have the system name in their own faction name. For example, for "System X", the faction "The Reformed Order of the Giant Spaghetti Monster of Star X" can be ruled out as a candidate, but not "The Pagan Order of the Giant Spaghetti Monster"....especially if the latter faction happens to be within the established radius of Witch's Reach as determined in #1 (even, or especially if, that system happens to be "System X". If the faction name happens to include the system name "LFT 509" or "Witch's Reach", it is an automatic likely candidate as the permit-granting faction (EG Chapter of "Isinor" or Sublime order of "Van Maanen's Star").
Preliminary list of factions (with systems where they can be found..must be refined).
Ruled Out systems
4) If any factions still exist after performing the task in #3, people then need to become allied in some way with the remaining factions and do missions (after becoming allied) to try to get the permit. If, after performing 10 or more missions with suspected allied faction, after becoming allied with said faction, you do not receive a permit, please post here with screen shots to confirm that you are allied with the faction. After at least 2 people make such posts, the candidate will be definitively removed.
How to become allied with a faction:
A) If the faction owns a station, dump either 7M credits worth of exploration data, do simply trade at their station until you become allied.
B) If the faction does not own a station, doing missions for them is the only way to become allied. This may be difficult depending on how much influence they happen to have.
5) If you become allied with the faction, and you get (or already have) the permit, please post a screen shot of the permit and list the faction. Upon confirmation of a 2nd individual, the information will be posted in this OP and in the OP of my other (generalized) permit thread. Any and all contributes will receive special thanks.
6) If all candidate factions are eliminated without identifying the permit-giving faction of these two systems, assess whether to expand the search to include more systems and factions. If it is determined that expanding the search radius will yield no results, especially if the search radius has already been expanded one or more times, then a formal bug report referencing this thread will be submitted to FD.
7) If FD provides new information, or lore is identified as being relevant to this search, it will be added to the OP.
While I will definitely contribute and help out where I can in managing this thread and reping up with candidate factions to rule out (or in) factions, I definitely need help with this investigation, which is why I am asking for help from the community.
Final notes, it is possible that no faction exists in the game to obtain access to these two systems, which is fine. If we can reasonably establish that we can't obtain the permit at this time, then this thread can definitively establish this fact to people who search for information on this topic in the future.
Let the search begin!
UPDATES:
ESTABLISHED POSSIBLE LY RADIUS TO ESTABLISH BELOW LIST: TBD
SYSTEMS WITHIN ABOVE RADIUS (WITH ASSOCIATED FACTIONS):
OTHER INFORMATION:
NONE SUBMITTED SO FAR
The Question and Call for Help:
Maybe no one knows, or maybe someone has searched the general area but haven't shared your findings publicly (or you have, but I somehow missed it). Or maybe my own searches in the forums and google have been ineffective and the answer has in fact been answered on the internet. If this last possibility is the case, I humbly beg forgiveness and thank the person who enlightened me.
Regardless, this is a call to the community to help identify the factions associated with LFT 509 and Witch's Reach once and for all. These two systems, along with Isinor, have special "beacons" that contain goodies that can be farmed just like the ones in Isinor. However, unlike Isinor, I have not been able to find any information regarding how to actually obtain these two permits.
If you have information, please share and I will update this thread (and my other permit thread, located here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=122593 which clocks in at almost 18 THOUSAND views so far....and growing) with the information.
OBJECTION!!
The most likely objection to this call is this: that these systems, containing no stations or populations, have no associated factions and are therefore unobtainable until Frontier gets around to adding more content.
REBUTTAL!!
1) Isinor has no stations, and no population. Yet there is definitely an identified faction at three separate systems (you can see them in my other thread). This faction definitely issues a permit.
2) These two systems, like Isinor, were identified by name in 1.2. That means Frontier wants people to have them.....eventually.
Granted, these rebuttals don't PROVE the existence of such a faction, but that fact doesn't rule out the possibility that such a faction DOES exist and no one has bothered to post information about it.
HYPOTHESIS AND METHODOLOGY TO FIND THE ANSWER!!
1) Within a specific radius of LFT 509/Witch's Reach there exists a faction that issues a permit to these two systems. This radius will be established based on the furthest known-to-the-community-or-disclosed-by-Frontier distance an expanded faction can possibly exist from its home star.
How to do this:
a) Identify a list of independent factions as a test sample, preferably around 8-10 (Sirus Corp not included), which has expanded factions.
b) Identify all known expansions of these various factions
c) Go to each faction's home system and determine how far the furthest expansion is.
d) The highest distance-from-home-system figure (plus an arbitrary 5-10 light years) is the figure to be used. For example, if the greatest distance of any faction-expansion has not exceeded 15 light years from the home system, then 25 light years will be the search radius.
2) Once the above radius has been established, a list of systems and their factions must be listed.
How to establish this list:
a) Go to a nearby star of each permit system, and list all the stars in a separate notepad.
b) Go to another star, on the opposite side, do the same thing, eliminate all duplicates. Rinse and repeat for all nearby stars. Note the distance the permit system is for
c) Once a comprehensive list is made, go to each star and note its distance from the permit system (use the Galaxy map for stars further than 20 LY). Any stars outside the designated search radius will be ignored. Jot down every faction as you visit each star.
d) Post information here so I can add to this OP. Once information is added, it can be refined and reviewed further by other users.
Factions and Systems within (TBD) light years of Witch's Reach
TBD
Factions and Systems within (TBD) light years of LFT 509
TBD
3) Once the list of factions in #2 has been established, we can then rule out any factions that have the system name in their own faction name. For example, for "System X", the faction "The Reformed Order of the Giant Spaghetti Monster of Star X" can be ruled out as a candidate, but not "The Pagan Order of the Giant Spaghetti Monster"....especially if the latter faction happens to be within the established radius of Witch's Reach as determined in #1 (even, or especially if, that system happens to be "System X". If the faction name happens to include the system name "LFT 509" or "Witch's Reach", it is an automatic likely candidate as the permit-granting faction (EG Chapter of "Isinor" or Sublime order of "Van Maanen's Star").
Preliminary list of factions (with systems where they can be found..must be refined).
Gluscheimr - Silver Creative Corp, The Crimson Dragons
Chang Yeh - Purple Galactic Industries
Pachanwen - Silver General Solutions
Eta Leporis - Silver Dynamic Corp
V352 Canis Majoris - Blue Central Industry
EL - The Crimson Dragons
LHS 1918 - The Blue Boys
Misir - Silver Creative Systems
Anagototo - Gold Central Inc.
Nokomis - The blue camorra
V372 Pupis - Blue Comms Group
Charonium - ??
Manguts - ??
Kaupolock - ??
Ganiklis -??
LHS 1887 - ??
LHS 1836 - ??
Kaurushi - ??
G 108-26 - ??
EEAEA - ??
LHS 1920 - ??
Ranginui -??
Cupiat - ??
9 Pupis - ??
Ross 880 - ??
Toog - ??
Lachesis - ??
Chang Yeh - Purple Galactic Industries
Pachanwen - Silver General Solutions
Eta Leporis - Silver Dynamic Corp
V352 Canis Majoris - Blue Central Industry
EL - The Crimson Dragons
LHS 1918 - The Blue Boys
Misir - Silver Creative Systems
Anagototo - Gold Central Inc.
Nokomis - The blue camorra
V372 Pupis - Blue Comms Group
Charonium - ??
Manguts - ??
Kaupolock - ??
Ganiklis -??
LHS 1887 - ??
LHS 1836 - ??
Kaurushi - ??
G 108-26 - ??
EEAEA - ??
LHS 1920 - ??
Ranginui -??
Cupiat - ??
9 Pupis - ??
Ross 880 - ??
Toog - ??
Lachesis - ??
Ruled Out systems
LP 840-15
Hrimfaxi
Quikil
LP 658-33
Tiamat
Fionn
LHS 1928
Nervir
Sionesta
OU Geminorum
LHS 1875
LTT 2974
Hrimfaxi
Quikil
LP 658-33
Tiamat
Fionn
LHS 1928
Nervir
Sionesta
OU Geminorum
LHS 1875
LTT 2974
4) If any factions still exist after performing the task in #3, people then need to become allied in some way with the remaining factions and do missions (after becoming allied) to try to get the permit. If, after performing 10 or more missions with suspected allied faction, after becoming allied with said faction, you do not receive a permit, please post here with screen shots to confirm that you are allied with the faction. After at least 2 people make such posts, the candidate will be definitively removed.
How to become allied with a faction:
A) If the faction owns a station, dump either 7M credits worth of exploration data, do simply trade at their station until you become allied.
B) If the faction does not own a station, doing missions for them is the only way to become allied. This may be difficult depending on how much influence they happen to have.
5) If you become allied with the faction, and you get (or already have) the permit, please post a screen shot of the permit and list the faction. Upon confirmation of a 2nd individual, the information will be posted in this OP and in the OP of my other (generalized) permit thread. Any and all contributes will receive special thanks.
6) If all candidate factions are eliminated without identifying the permit-giving faction of these two systems, assess whether to expand the search to include more systems and factions. If it is determined that expanding the search radius will yield no results, especially if the search radius has already been expanded one or more times, then a formal bug report referencing this thread will be submitted to FD.
7) If FD provides new information, or lore is identified as being relevant to this search, it will be added to the OP.
While I will definitely contribute and help out where I can in managing this thread and reping up with candidate factions to rule out (or in) factions, I definitely need help with this investigation, which is why I am asking for help from the community.
Final notes, it is possible that no faction exists in the game to obtain access to these two systems, which is fine. If we can reasonably establish that we can't obtain the permit at this time, then this thread can definitively establish this fact to people who search for information on this topic in the future.
Let the search begin!
UPDATES:
ESTABLISHED POSSIBLE LY RADIUS TO ESTABLISH BELOW LIST: TBD
SYSTEMS WITHIN ABOVE RADIUS (WITH ASSOCIATED FACTIONS):
OTHER INFORMATION:
NONE SUBMITTED SO FAR
Apparently both systems have been intentionally locked as per this thread. Quite sad. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=176986&page=2
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