I dont see the arguement here? A few paintjobs and bobbleheads for players who purhased the LEP as a gesture due to no paid expansions this year but they still get free expansions when they release further in the future? ... or am i missing something?.
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Nope, you haven't missed a thing. That's exactly it.
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I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
It's worth posting this again:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/444800-Important-Community-Update
TL;DR Paid content next year. LEP owners get that for free. LEP owners get a few freebies in the store this year as a thank-you.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/444800-Important-Community-Update
TL;DR Paid content next year. LEP owners get that for free. LEP owners get a few freebies in the store this year as a thank-you.
This is a silly thread. I'm thinking the OP did it trolling then sitting back laughing at all the salt knowing that it would show up. Well it did. Did everyone get their frustrations out? If not post a little more. Go for it. Get it all out!
Also note this is the Christmas season where emotions both positive and negative escalate BEYOND (pun) the norms. Welcome to the biggest salt mine in the Frontier Forum. I'm already seeing it in today's posts. It will get worse. So if one decides to argue with another in a thread for 40 posts where they are never going to agree as usual all the rest of the year it hurts both a lot more. So why do it? Ego? Getting support thinking the Frontier Devs will change the game? Good luck with that.
Solutions? Purchase the Christmas tree and Santa Clause bobble heads in the store and put them on your dashboard. Not Christian well Frontier hasn't gone there yet but the universal acceptance of Peace and Good will at this time in the season works for everyone. Maybe add the Christmas lights. But that's just me. It is possible that just for a few moments at this time many of us could be connected positively. Others maybe not. Welcome to life.
As for the thread Frontier gave the LEP owners a Christmas present. Nothing big or excessive but appreciating their support when they needed it in the early years getting Frontier solvent and ED off and running. Where would the game be now without that initial support? I got paid many times over for this great current game we are all playing. Think about that.
Regards to All
Also note this is the Christmas season where emotions both positive and negative escalate BEYOND (pun) the norms. Welcome to the biggest salt mine in the Frontier Forum. I'm already seeing it in today's posts. It will get worse. So if one decides to argue with another in a thread for 40 posts where they are never going to agree as usual all the rest of the year it hurts both a lot more. So why do it? Ego? Getting support thinking the Frontier Devs will change the game? Good luck with that.
Solutions? Purchase the Christmas tree and Santa Clause bobble heads in the store and put them on your dashboard. Not Christian well Frontier hasn't gone there yet but the universal acceptance of Peace and Good will at this time in the season works for everyone. Maybe add the Christmas lights. But that's just me. It is possible that just for a few moments at this time many of us could be connected positively. Others maybe not. Welcome to life.
As for the thread Frontier gave the LEP owners a Christmas present. Nothing big or excessive but appreciating their support when they needed it in the early years getting Frontier solvent and ED off and running. Where would the game be now without that initial support? I got paid many times over for this great current game we are all playing. Think about that.
Regards to All
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lol if they make that I'll actually buy it.
Rafe Zetter
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Money - once they (not just FDev, a general "they") have it and know you can't get it back off them, they do as they please, sometimes they do actually try to deliver, but many just shrug and go "it's too hard - but we spent your money - have a bobble head" (oh and thanks for making me a millionaire).
I do think FDev have tried - but by far my biggest gripe is the seeming lack of enough integrity to say "look guys we s.. the bed - we said stuff we just sort of "hoped" we could do, but the whole thing got away from us, and now we are so far down the hole, getting out will take many years, but we can't tell you that because if we did our shareprice would plummet and all those franchises we are hoping to make money from, will fail before they have begun from lack of confidence in our abilites".
I know they can't say that exactly, but they could at least try to make LTP holder believe it wasnt a cash grab. Say what you like about him but at least for all his failings Chris Roberts did at least say something similar when he basically announced they were dumping thier previous work and almost starting again, and that the development period was going to be much longer than they thought.
This is one of those times being a publically traded company is doing more harm than good, because it shackles them to options that are limiting for them, the product and most of all, the customers who bought in good faith.
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Paint jobs and bobbleheads ahahahaha. Enjoy your free content!
And dont forget the new era is coming! The "new era" should cost around 100 pounds, in order for the numbers to just make even with the rest of the players, that bought everything seperatelly, so shut up and keep playing, you will eventually catch up lol. Only lucky ones so far, are those who bought the lep cheap, back in the kickstarter days.
Boy, the best money i ever spent, are those that i decided to NOT buy the LEP at the last moment.
And dont forget the new era is coming! The "new era" should cost around 100 pounds, in order for the numbers to just make even with the rest of the players, that bought everything seperatelly, so shut up and keep playing, you will eventually catch up lol. Only lucky ones so far, are those who bought the lep cheap, back in the kickstarter days.
Boy, the best money i ever spent, are those that i decided to NOT buy the LEP at the last moment.
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I was just keeping the thread going so that when everyone gets into the ‘...Frontier should do what’s right...’ I can then bring up that PS4 commanders should be able to get hold of a Cobra MkIV.
It won’t be long now.
Either the thread will descend into name calling and will be locked,
Everyone should be given access to everything or
No-one should be treated special or
The launch of 3.3 will consign this thread to history and get forgotten about for three months.
Late to this probable troll thread but here's my opinion since everyone seems to have one these days 
I bought the LEP at the height of it's price for £180 or whatever it was as well as the base game as well as a bunch of skins and as well as a 2nd acc with Horizons. My expenditure on Elite tops £250 before you include Lavecon, FX2018 and my joystick + GPU.
However, unlike a small number of vocal people I seem to have read and understood all 3 letters of LEP. It's lifetime, I bought it knowing I'd have to be patient, I bought it knowing that my interest in the game may have gone by the time I got my values worth, I bought it assuming that things could go terribly wrong and development could stop within 2 years of purchase leaving me with nothing.
Horizons I got for free which was nice. Beyond was free for everyone with Horizons which was unexpected and lowered the LEP value by proxy but what I read from that is that FDev are stable enough financially to do so which means development is unlikely to cease anytime soon. Great news for us LEP owners.
Lets address specificially this situation of getting no premium content this year. Yes, it isn't ideal for LEP owners, I'm a bit disappointed and I'm sure FDev are too as they planned to deliver some. However, i'm happy enough as I know premium content will come next year and probably the year after and the year after that which LEP will get for free.
FDev have offered a "sorry" because they wanted to do a few bits Q4 2018 but plans got changed, they announced this a few months ago. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/444800-Important-Community-Update?highlight=premium
In short they had plans, things got delayed, they announced it when they knew it'd not happen and also offered a "sorry" for 2018. Stuff hasn't "gone" or been removed, it's delayed and we got free stuff as an apology. Given the current activity of almost all other game developers at the moment this is a pretty classy move, as is doing a free year of updates for a game without non-cosmetic micro-transactions. Look at Fallout 4 collectors edition they actually physically did not get what was advertised and got a cheap knock-off product instead, Bethesda offered £5 worth of micro-transaction points before lawsuit threats got them to actually produce and supply what the players paid for.. Here we have simply a delay in development and FDev are offering 6 skins and 2 bobbleheads, the equivalent of about £20!
All in all i'm in it for a lifetime, I didn't expect everything in 3 years because frankly I want to live a bit longer! When taking everything as a whole I'm happy enough. Could be better sure but development isn't guaranteed and the way it's turned out is by no means bad.
So here's my round-off question: What more could/should they have done in terms of communication, apology etc?
I bought the LEP at the height of it's price for £180 or whatever it was as well as the base game as well as a bunch of skins and as well as a 2nd acc with Horizons. My expenditure on Elite tops £250 before you include Lavecon, FX2018 and my joystick + GPU.
However, unlike a small number of vocal people I seem to have read and understood all 3 letters of LEP. It's lifetime, I bought it knowing I'd have to be patient, I bought it knowing that my interest in the game may have gone by the time I got my values worth, I bought it assuming that things could go terribly wrong and development could stop within 2 years of purchase leaving me with nothing.
Horizons I got for free which was nice. Beyond was free for everyone with Horizons which was unexpected and lowered the LEP value by proxy but what I read from that is that FDev are stable enough financially to do so which means development is unlikely to cease anytime soon. Great news for us LEP owners.
Lets address specificially this situation of getting no premium content this year. Yes, it isn't ideal for LEP owners, I'm a bit disappointed and I'm sure FDev are too as they planned to deliver some. However, i'm happy enough as I know premium content will come next year and probably the year after and the year after that which LEP will get for free.
FDev have offered a "sorry" because they wanted to do a few bits Q4 2018 but plans got changed, they announced this a few months ago. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/444800-Important-Community-Update?highlight=premium
In short they had plans, things got delayed, they announced it when they knew it'd not happen and also offered a "sorry" for 2018. Stuff hasn't "gone" or been removed, it's delayed and we got free stuff as an apology. Given the current activity of almost all other game developers at the moment this is a pretty classy move, as is doing a free year of updates for a game without non-cosmetic micro-transactions. Look at Fallout 4 collectors edition they actually physically did not get what was advertised and got a cheap knock-off product instead, Bethesda offered £5 worth of micro-transaction points before lawsuit threats got them to actually produce and supply what the players paid for.. Here we have simply a delay in development and FDev are offering 6 skins and 2 bobbleheads, the equivalent of about £20!
All in all i'm in it for a lifetime, I didn't expect everything in 3 years because frankly I want to live a bit longer! When taking everything as a whole I'm happy enough. Could be better sure but development isn't guaranteed and the way it's turned out is by no means bad.
So here's my round-off question: What more could/should they have done in terms of communication, apology etc?
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Seems to me this thread is mostly those who are envious of those with LEP's trying their best to point out that the LEP is worthless so they feel better about not having it (maybe they funded Star Citizen instead). Then again, maybe its just my imagination (just like Star Citizen).
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Rafe Zetter
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Interesting. No they didn't need to give us gifts.
But as of today, just how much does a full copy of ED inc horizons and everything else cost?
£20 give or take - so to date LEP holders and KS backers above a certain level are still out of pocket by some margin, and will continue to be so until and ONLY until FDev release a minimum of 3 more paid expansions (DLC's whatever). Even if you said the LEP holders get the content at release so it's "full price" not discounted, it would STILL require TWO paid expansions to break a "profit" i.e. LEP total price cheaper than each expansion at launch prices.
However, here's one uncomfortable but otherwise immutable fact about ED, FDev and thier expansion progress - it's SLOW, VERY VERY VERY SLOW. Two more paid expansions at current progress will take three to four YEARS.
Now I don't know about you but many LEP holders (and KS backers for that matter) didn't sign up thinking the game would take EIGHT years to get to where the content mentioned in the dev blogs, was going to be delivered (or not as the case may be), and thier LEP's would actually pay off.
So, SNowymonk, maybe instead of having a go at him you take the spirit of "be thankful that there were enough like minded individuals that meant the game cane into being." - understand that Steve50 was one of them and thank him (and me, and the rest of us) instead of making sideways accusations of whining.
A last comment for any FDev employee who might read it and whoever's in charge: Since the KS and LEP sale, there are people who backed FDev and ED who have since died, died waiting for you to deliver what you sold them.
Think about it.
Keep up with the Dev updates on the forum & Sneak Peeks in the newsletter.
State that there is a plan of development & say what it is, initially with broad strokes & regularly refining/correcting detail as work progresses.
Given the likely (low) price of any future DLC for a now four year old bargain bin game, state their intention to add DLC of a value that exceeds the 2015 LEP (the worst case scenario in terms of value for money).
Link to a FAQ on how to back out of the LEP given that development has clearly not gone to plan (hence the apology).
Link to a FAQ on what the LEP rules actually are (eg doesn't entitle the customer to anything exclusive).
In terms of Wills post yesterday, just directly saying what the free shop stuff actually is with pics. There is no need to keep us in suspense, nor is there any need to create yet further antagonism by leaving the possibility that some of this free stuff might be exclusive.
hth.
-Sure on Dev updates, i'm sad about that too but that's not an LEP thing nor is it specific to the premium content bit. Although I'm enjoying the new discovery scanner deep-dive livestreams which seem to be the new preferred format.
-They did with the Expo last year and the details of each update coming a few weeks leading up to the beta and update as it's been since development started.
-Assumptions on low price? I'm assuming it's going to be £30-£40 for the next season, the link in my last post said that the next updates will be "a milestone" implying a seriously large change is in the works for 2019. Yes it'd be nice to get details but I bought the LEP not knowing everything, I'm happy waiting a bit longer until they announce the roadmap for 2019 hopefully in a similar fashion to the 2018 one from the Expo.
-Um, what do you expect here? Kickstarter is non-refundable for a start. As for others like me who paid for the £180 version even steam wouldn't give a refund given hours played and time passed since purchase. On the legal front you bought the LEP with no knowledge or details which is not Frontiers fault if you misinterpreted it. There is a burden of fair advertising on the developer but good luck arguing that you want a refund due to a delay to content that you didn't even know you'd get at the point of purchase. That's just silly and lets be honest you know it is.
To put a comparison in: I buy a membership to a monthly magazine, 6 months in they promise a larger magazine with twice as many pages starting in month 7. They have to delay the larger mag to month 9 due to printing issues and now you are arguing that you should get a refund on your subscription of 7 months because of a statement made in month 6 that wasn't fulfilled. Yeah, sounds stupid right?
-LEP rules? I thought that was perfectly clear. We get all in game content (that's not cosmetic micro-transactions) for free, all development, DLC and game updates basically. Thats what was on the advertisement I clicked on, read, understood and bought.
-Yes they could show the goodies but it's a day away (less now). Again patience is a virtue, 1 day of not knowing isn't really a bad thing. I see it as another reason to log-in and check the update out which is probably what they want. If not I'm sure I'll see it plastered over reddit.
-The store stuff is not exclusive, that was said in wills post yesterday.
"We will also be making the majority of the new cosmetic items from this bundle available in the store at the same time tomorrow, so non-LEP owners will be able to purchase these items from the store should they wish. Some select items from this bundle will be made available over the festive period instead."
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Why do you guys always jump to accusations of trolling when you disagree with someone? I expressed my view, which I'm entitled to do. It's a forum designed for that. I said people will feel different but I'd be fuming. I'm glad I didn't stump up the money as, from my point of view, they've taken the p.. I've got no confidence in FDev any more. Airy fairy promises of some big expansion next year don't do it for me. I've been let down by them too many times now to give them the benefit of doubt.
I was never under the impression that everything in the dev blog would ever be delivered. I'm not so naive to expect that overly optimistic musings about a planned project's potential would fully translate into reality. Despite my cynicism and suitably realistic (I feel, even in hindsight) expectations, I have been disappointed in numerous ways by numerous things, and have frequently been highly critical of issues I find difficult to excuse. Indeed, I could write a book around my complaints.
However, the LEP would not be one of them. As Alex has stated, the terms of the LEP were clear, and they haven't been violated. Frontier has kept their agreement, and more, even if not in the way that makes my purchase 'pay off'.
I think it's a tiny bit unfortunate the post states "We're pleased to announce that the wait is over!"... and then it's paint jobs. Now, I'm happy with my LEP because we know paid content is coming - but I can see why the statement of "HERE IT COMES PEOPLE!" is um, well, not really what we've been waiting for.
Whatever, I'll take it.
Whatever, I'll take it.
I am so happy that you are glad you made the right decision. Good for you, little fella.
I've thought about it and I think its normal for video games to drop in price over time.
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