I suspect that some guests just litter because there's a looking for bin action that I've seen some guests use. The tolerance for finding a bin could just be 0 on some guests and they'll just throw it on the ground regardless.
Light Line causing litter issue.... is this a bug ?
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I suspect that some guests just litter because there's a looking for bin action that I've seen some guests use. The tolerance for finding a bin could just be 0 on some guests and they'll just throw it on the ground regardless.
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Over in the bug reports topic, there is (or was--haven't checked in a while) a thread saying that monorails caused all janitors to teleport to the park entrance. I'm guessing you're having that problem. When you open the monorail, the janitors all go to the park entrance so are not patrolling their assigned areas. Thus, bins overflow, litter and puke accumulate on the ground, etc. When you turn the monorail off, the janitors gradually make their way back to their proper positions and the litter problem goes away.
I recommend you checking the bug reports forum for this thread and adding your experiences to it, or starting another on the same subject.
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Not my issue, but now looking into that, when I turn on the monorail, I get random guests stuck at the park entrance, moving in place.
So, your janitors are remaining in place, not teleporting to park entrance? Are they still doing their sweeping and bin-emptying thing? If so, then it might still be the same but with the visuals fixed but the actual number-crunching still being broken. If not, and the janitors are just standing there not doing anything, then it's still the same bug.
They seem to be sweeping. It literally just seems like guests are choosing to just litter freely in certain areas more often when the ride is active. I swear, it's weird.
I'm having something very similar.
I have a park with 10k visitors, and I was getting up to 75% "That litter is disgusting". I even went to far as to shut the park, totally empty it, and assign 2 janitors to every square inch of pathway in the park. There are bins everywhere.
I re-opened the park, and for the first couple of months everything was OK, but then my litter ratings started climbing - I eyeballed the whole park, and saw only a couple of bits of litter, all of which were cleaned up in moments. I got to over 45% in no time at all.
Then, finding this thread, I shut my light line...and immediately my litter rating plummeted again.
I have a park with 10k visitors, and I was getting up to 75% "That litter is disgusting". I even went to far as to shut the park, totally empty it, and assign 2 janitors to every square inch of pathway in the park. There are bins everywhere.
I re-opened the park, and for the first couple of months everything was OK, but then my litter ratings started climbing - I eyeballed the whole park, and saw only a couple of bits of litter, all of which were cleaned up in moments. I got to over 45% in no time at all.
Then, finding this thread, I shut my light line...and immediately my litter rating plummeted again.
Hopping in here to mirror what Keith said, built a huge park, went over every inch of it and couldn't find near enough litter to cause a 50% litter is disgusting rating, closed my light line and the litter problem disappeared. SOMETHING about the light line is causing issues with littering.
As previously stated, the light line causes (or at least caused--might be fixed now) all janitors to teleport to the park entrance so they don't clean other areas of the park. That is (or was) a known bug linking light lines to litter. Could be there's some other connection between the 2, or that any fixes only solved part of the problem.
HOWEVER, you can have the exact same situation even WITHOUT a light line involved. That is, a huge percentage of peeps complaining about litter yet you've got janitors galore and can only find 1 piece of trash in the whole park. This happened to me recently, with no functioning transport rides at all in my park, and it was because of an error on my part. I had accidentally left a small gap between 2 adjacent janitorial work rosters. This gap had a bin, but eventually the bin got full and overflowed, leading to the complains.
At this time, I also discovered that the percentage of peeps complaining about litter is misleading about the true scale of your litter problem---it usually greatly overstates the case. This is for 3 reasons:
1. Every peep individually complains about every piece of litter he sees, so 1 piece of trash creates complaints by each peep in each group that walks past it.
2. Litter persists until cleaned up by a janitor.
3. Every peep individually will complain about the same piece of litter again if he walks by it a 2nd time.
The result is that you get many duplicate complaints about the same piece of trash. In fact, in my case, EVERY complaint was a duplicate except the 1st one. But this single piece of trash was on one of my main paths, so most peeps in the park passed by it at some point, often more than once. Thus, it didn't take long before my percentage of peeps complaining about litter was like 75%. All for 1 piece of trash, the existence of which caused me to examine my work rosters and fix the gap, and I haven't had the problem since.
But you know, just because nearly everybody was complaining about litter, it really didn't affect anything. That was usually the only thing most peeps were complaining about (other than queue length, of course), so it was just a passing thought that occurred to many. Most of the time, they were thinking happy thoughts. Thus, despite the "popularity" of complaining about litter, it didn't impact my overall guest happiness, park rating, etc. Fixing the problem likewise didn't have much effect.
First off after testing its ALL transport rides causing this problem for me, not just the light line, and has nothing to do with Janitors.
Secondly I highly doubt that in separate cases it's just a coincidence that litter complaints rise simultaneously with opening and closing the transport rides, 60% of people in my park don't suddenly start caring about non-existent unless I open the transport ride. I also doubled down on janitors and bins to no avail. Went over the park as closely as possible at 45% complaints about litter without finding a single piece of trash on the ground.
I've basically given up on running a transport until this is fixed. My best guess is the game places people in transport in some limbo area and it doesn't properly stop them from littering in that area. When I get home I'll create a save backup and properly file a bug report.
I appreciate your effort to get to the bottom of this. PM me when you post the bug report so I can get in on it, because I just started getting litter complaints again after opening an Iron Horse
That said, have you placed bins right at the exit gates at the platforms for your transport ride stations? I've found that peeps frequently dump trash (besides puking) immediately after getting off a ride. My transport stations don't have exit bins so I'm going to fix that before looking deeper.
Yup, janitors still teleport to the entrance when you open a transport ride. It just happened to me. Filing bug report.
Sorry to resurrect an old thread but can I ask if this issue ever solved? I'm having the exact same problem with the Island Adventure SteamBoat ride. Litter was around 6-9% but then raises to 30-40% as soon as I switch on Island Adventure (with 2 stations). Litter doesn't occur near the actual ride but across the whole park. Guests will start dropping litter even if they are right next to an empty bin.