Major scientific inaccuracy of ED based on recent discoveries

Commander Pickle

Commander Pickle
Anyone who has explored in Elite Dangerous knows that finding an Earth-like planet is hitting the jackpot. They are RARE.

In fact, they are common in the galaxy. So common that our galaxy is practically drowning in them. Scientists have calculated that there are hundreds of billions of earth-like planets and exo-planets.

If ED were accurate, we'd be finding them in the majority of star systems. In fact, we'd probably be finding a few at a time. This of course implies a much greater chance of finding life...and perhaps intelligent life.

I wish ED reflected this reality.

For reference : http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-billions-earth-like-exoplanets-milky-way-galaxy-02472.html
 

Vasious

Vasious
That article says that the average star system has on average 2 planets in the Goldilocks zone, so the potential for it being earth-like
I only read the article linked but I dont think it means that the Average system has on average 2 earthlikes, thus making Sol below average.


Anyway the lack of Sapient Life in the ED Galaxy is part of the story

So Far
Humanity accidently drove to extinction the first sentient life it found when first colonising due to introduction of Earth Speices
Plenty more sentient life has been found
Humanity accidently killed off one Sapient life form (Aliens from Capital) and was nearly wipped out by the other (Thargoids)
Mysteriues of the Mars Artifact and the Soontil Artifacts tease humanity as a whole of if there are other

Life Bearing Worlds are Plentiful
Earth Like Worlds being indigious life are not uncommon

Sentient Alien life is found everywhere but Sapeint Life, be it bronze age or star faring is exceedingly rare and when two such races meet the results tragic.

Such Tragedy is part of the Story line, we have people flying out into the unknonw seeking to find Spaient Life, another civilization; but at the same time humanity is divided, slaughters each other wholesale and seems to have learnt nothing from the previous Tragedies of what happened on Capital and with the Thargoids.


I for one, am glad we dont come across Space Fareing Alien # 8 to trade "Culural Arefacts #8" with for or as we know it would happen loot their ships by killing them whole sale or trade them as Alien Slaves #8
I am glad that when Spacefaring Alien life is intorducted it will be a BIG thing
 

[HJ]-RedRaven

[HJ]-RedRaven
Your 'reality may differ somewhat from actual reality, I'm afraid.

The scientific community's idea of 'earthlike' and ED's idea of 'earthlike are different. A lot different.

Much of the science surrounding exo-planetary discoveries is good, but based on very minimal information.

Bode's Law was based on observation, but on incomplete observation, such that it fails rigorous testing, and in my professional opinion as a geologist, any relationship is probably coincidental.

Far, far more work is needed before ED's interpretation could be considered incorrect. Kepler's dataset is just the beginning.
 

X-Terminator

Banned
X-Terminator
Further to the point that not all life can build space ships or arrange gay marriage yet.
Surly in 3300 we have "do you take this Android to be your lawful wedded robot?" (the Japs will be the first)
 
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daygobah

daygobah
Commander Pickle said:
Anyone who has explored in Elite Dangerous knows that finding an Earth-like planet is hitting the jackpot. They are RARE.

In fact, they are common in the galaxy. So common that our galaxy is practically drowning in them. Scientists have calculated that there are hundreds of billions of earth-like planets and exo-planets.

If ED were accurate, we'd be finding them in the majority of star systems. In fact, we'd probably be finding a few at a time. This of course implies a much greater chance of finding life...and perhaps intelligent life.

I wish ED reflected this reality.

For reference : http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-billions-earth-like-exoplanets-milky-way-galaxy-02472.html
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They used a theory that was used to predict the existence of Uranus and creses. “We used the Titius-Bode relation and Kepler data to predict the positions of planets that Kepler is unable to see,” Dr Lineweaver explained."

Well Titus-bode theory was disproved and also never found neptune. You can not just use our solar system to model the rest of them in the galaxy. If these guys had the data to back them up with the discoveries that would be great.


I for one love the idea of even more planets i love it when they are found. I cant wait for JAmes Webb to get up there and start taking in data. And the new super large earth based telescopes get first light. And the other planet finding telescopes to be launched in the future. I really hope they also launch the starshade for James webb space telescope. They can launch it after the telescope is working first. Maybe with those we can prove this as fact. That would sweet.
 

Badben

Badben
there are TONS of earth likes in this game. I've found at leat 5 and I was only an explorer for a couple of weeks.
 

LKx

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Commander Pickle said:
Anyone who has explored in Elite Dangerous knows that finding an Earth-like planet is hitting the jackpot. They are RARE.

In fact, they are common in the galaxy. So common that our galaxy is practically drowning in them. Scientists have calculated that there are hundreds of billions of earth-like planets and exo-planets.

If ED were accurate, we'd be finding them in the majority of star systems. In fact, we'd probably be finding a few at a time. This of course implies a much greater chance of finding life...and perhaps intelligent life.

I wish ED reflected this reality.

For reference : http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-billions-earth-like-exoplanets-milky-way-galaxy-02472.html
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We don't know at all if that's correct or not.

Every day some scientist wakes up an says that earth-like planets are common.
Every day some other scientist wakes up an says that earth-like planets are rare.
It doesn't matter if you are for common or rare, just explore.

:p
 
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veryinky

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Vasious said:
Sentient Alien life is found everywhere but Sapeint Life, be it bronze age or star faring is exceedingly rare and when two such races meet the results tragic.
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To be more accurate, whenever Humans or Thargoids met aliens the results were tragic. There used to be thousands of space faring races, now there are only two. Humans and Thargoids, both too technologically advanced to wipe the other out.

In the Human bubble, a lot of worlds have opened up for colonization recently. While in the rest of the galaxy, Thargoids have had unfettered reign to biobomb whatever they found.

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I'll always remember the Cat People of Diso, even if nobody else will. They were the first non-human world I visited back in Elite+. Now they're all gone, just human squatters sitting on cat themed ruins.
 

Senex VII

Senex VII
It doesn't matter. We will never be able to prove whether or not the game we see is true to reality, at least not in the lifetimes of anyone currently playing the game. Such so-called accuracy is a illusion.

But accuracy isn't really the issue here is it? Be honest. You simply want the game to be more enjoyable, or more profitable, or whatever your personal criterion is. Frontier is savvy; they know this. So they try and use their limited resources of effort in maximizing those things - which is what you really want after all - because trying to make something more accurate when (beyond a certain point) you can't tell whether or not you're succeeding, is expensive, fruitless and futile.
 

Iori

Iori
Well, in ED, the civilized bubble is full of earth-likes, but as soon as you head outside, you barely find any.
 

stocko1111

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Commander Pickle said:
Anyone who has explored in Elite Dangerous knows that finding an Earth-like planet is hitting the jackpot. They are RARE.

In fact, they are common in the galaxy. So common that our galaxy is practically drowning in them. Scientists have calculated that there are hundreds of billions of earth-like planets and exo-planets.

If ED were accurate, we'd be finding them in the majority of star systems. In fact, we'd probably be finding a few at a time. This of course implies a much greater chance of finding life...and perhaps intelligent life.

I wish ED reflected this reality.

For reference : http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-billions-earth-like-exoplanets-milky-way-galaxy-02472.html
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I'm on my way back from Sag A* and there's plenty of Earth-likes out there. In fact, I've found so many now, there's not even a 'wow' factor any more when I discover one, nor do I bother getting close to them to take a photo, I just scan them and go. If I take into account the amount of systems I've explored, the amount of systems in the galaxy, and the amount of Earth-likes I've found, then calculations scientists have made about how common they are to how many I've found are probably about right.
 

Arindor

Arindor
veryinky said:
To be more accurate, whenever Humans or Thargoids met aliens the results were tragic. There used to be thousands of space faring races, now there are only two. Humans and Thargoids, both too technologically advanced to wipe the other out.

In the Human bubble, a lot of worlds have opened up for colonization recently. While in the rest of the galaxy, Thargoids have had unfettered reign to biobomb whatever they found.

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I'll always remember the Cat People of Diso, even if nobody else will. They were the first non-human world I visited back in Elite+. Now they're all gone, just human squatters sitting on cat themed ruins.
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I don't know much about Elite lore, but have the Cat People of Diso been wiped out by mankind, or have they been written out of the game altogether? IMHO, it was stuff like this that helped to make the game interesting.
 

veryinky

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Arindor said:
I don't know much about Elite lore, but have the Cat People of Diso been wiped out by mankind, or have they been written out of the game altogether? IMHO, it was stuff like this that helped to make the game interesting.
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Galcop and it's (mostly alien) members was wiped out by the Empire according to the Elite 2: Frontiers manual. In Elite: First Encounters, one of the galnet-ish news bulletins in the game after the main missions are completed give the Emperor "Friend of the Aliens" titles along with a bunch of other titles, when he bans Juggling as a form of entertainment allowed in the empire.

Though, I'm not sure if aliens have been retconned or the Empire has a North Korea/Big Brother style historical revisionism.
 

Vasious

Vasious
veryinky said:
Galcop and it's (mostly alien) members was wiped out by the Empire according to the Elite 2: Frontiers manual. In Elite: First Encounters, one of the galnet-ish news bulletins in the game after the main missions are completed give the Emperor "Friend of the Aliens" titles along with a bunch of other titles, when he bans Juggling as a form of entertainment allowed in the empire.

Though, I'm not sure if aliens have been retconned or the Empire has a North Korea/Big Brother style historical revisionism.
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Where in the Frontier Manuals did it say the Empire wiped out GalCop and the Aliens?
I understood GalCop and the Various aliens beyond the Thargoids were reconned out of existence, rather than being wiped out by Humans.

"The Friend of the Aliens" epithet for the Emperor comes up in the FFE journels if you take the save the Thargoids story path and the establish peaceful contact with the various Human Powers, but we dont know which choice is canon
 
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Jynessa Loraeyn

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Er, the current search focuses on planets of a certain size at the correct distance from given stars. Since we can't get any better info than that at the moment.

That's a completely different thing to the definition of 'Earth-likes' in the game. In the game, an Earth-like is an outdoor world which can support human life with no terraforming.

There are lots of life-bearing planets in the game, such as the Water Worlds, and I've also been to lots of G class stars while exploring that had planets of near 1 Earth mass with a 1 AU semi-major axis. It's just a lot of the time, they didn't have life, let alone were Earth-likes. But they would qualify as candidates in our current real-world search, so they'd be 'Earth-likes' according to you.

Comparing two completely different things - fundamental category error there. Sorry.
 

Den Tarr

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Vasious said:
That article says that the average star system has on average 2 planets in the Goldilocks zone, so the potential for it being earth-like
I only read the article linked but I dont think it means that the Average system has on average 2 earthlikes, thus making Sol below average.
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Well I follow this efforts to descover exo-planets with a lot of interest, too.
A few things to remember:

They can only determine mass, distance from star, and orbital period. This together with the data about the star allow for "estimates" about viability for life.

Considering those parameters our solar system has 3 earth like planets. Venus, Earth and Mars. All three have the right mass and orbital parameters.

And we all know how earth-like Mars and Venus are...

Sometimes scientific terms are simply misleading.
 
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