Make Open Play matter - Power Play and BGS should be influenced only in open
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Dude, there were no C&P consequences before the overhaul, afterwards the C&P consequences remained essentially the same- nothing. And that's NOT why we want powerplay to be open only.
If there's nothing to lose, what's the point of playing?
Robert Maynard
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.... and it was an investigation, not a fait accompli - as Sandro indicated at the beginning of the first Flash Topic.
So nothing in the proposal was guaranteed to be implemented.
One of your "facts" is wrong. Sandros proposal thread only had 1,500 replies (not even 1,500 - just replies) - out of over 100,000 registered forum members.
So you're "2-1" figure is speculative at best and isn't a fact due to not everyone getting involved or speaking up.
And I don't really care about some YouTuber who had a poll. Again, not everyone who owns the game gets involved or uses YouTube.
So it was a subjective and bias Poll.
You struggle with facts, don't you.
Robert Maynard
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... and the fact that pan-modal Powerplay forms part of the base game - sold to all console players without requiring multiplayer to engage in it remains a "problem" for those seeking to make Powerplay Open only.
Well, he doesn't work on Elite anymore.
Here where your idea fails. You have one group YOU and your group think will be forced into open keep playing Power Play on PC. Wrong they will just stop playing Power Play and maybe quite the game altogether. and then you have XBox and PS4 users who don't pay for subscriptions. Do you really think people are going to buy a subscription to play in open so they can play in Power play? Plus the group on PS4 Xbox users who Pay to play yet they don't play open on this current game.
I don't know I think BromeTeks that you and your group logic is a fail.
I know. But this group seems to ignore that fact.
Look, something's got to give if we want to make PP more fun to play. I'm simply saying Velixar's argument is not compelling at all and shouldn't be considered.
Robert Maynard
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Does it? Should Frontier not adhere to the terms under which they sold (and continue to sell) each and every copy of the base game?
Those seeking to PvP-gate Powerplay would lose nothing. Those who eschew PvP would lose the pan-modal access to the feature that they currently enjoy.
If people stopped banging their heads on the Open Only door, perhaps we could come up with more suggestions to improve PP for everyone.
But even the other good ideas in Sandros thread are being ignored because too many are trying to force the Open Only angle.
So those good ideas have fallen to the wayside.
I think I have more compelling argument than yours. On my last post Pointed out a few key issues. People who have have Consoles who don't have Pay to play and the Players that do have Pay to play that don't like Open. Plus PC users don't like Open. And you and your crew trying to force every player into Open only.
That's why I still come to these threads to voice my support for open only, to show that there's still interest.
Well between that and the fact that the Devs stated the majority of players use open, it's hard to find any evidence at all that supports your claim that the majority don't want open only powerplay. All you can say is "The majority of registered forum users didn't participate", bear in mind that these forums are for several other games as well. If the majority don't want open powerplay, they haven't demonstrated that in any substantive way. And since you have the gall to say I struggle with facts, I'm just going to point out that you have CLEARLY never taken a statistics (or any other math for that matter) course, so you don't know the differencess of "sampling" vs "Census"
Here's a primer.
Apart from what a travesty that is to try and parse, not being able to afford gold is YOUR problem because YOU bought an XBox and not a midrange gaming PC. That's not a problem the majority of players have, again since FDev has pointed out that the majority of players already use open. So not really a concern worth addressing, but if you like doing haulage or massacre missions, there's still the BGS and I think that should remain in all modes.
Besides, with the latest update it's clear that FDev is only interested in catering to players with disposable income anyways.
Robert Maynard
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Those same Devs have also indicated that they are "well aware" that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP.
Devs also stated the majority of players don't get involved with PvP.
But you ignore that fact as you're trying to force PvP on people who don't want it.
Also, if so many people are in Open, then what's your issue?
Surely the "majority of players use open" would also apply to those doing Power Play?
The galaxy is big enough to facilitate everyone style of gameplay, why can't they just give a collection of systems purely dedicated for Open, no logging unless docked up. where everyone fights over who controls the local saloon, (stations etc). It doesn't have to be called powerplay, call it Tombstone or Colonia, high risk, high reward.
The majority of players also do NOT use Powerplay. The issue that all the anti-open people fail to comprehend is that amongst the people who do partake in powerplay, a large number of the organized groups use PG/Solo to bypass any opposition. Last time I posted evidence of this, it got me muted on this thread, so CLEARLY someone does not want to acknowledge that fact. And for the mathematically challenged, it is extremely beneficial to be able to target enemy powerplayers in a hot system.
And again. If I just want targets to shoot, I go to Deciat aka Gankers paradise. What I want is a fun game mode where strategy and skill matters.
And again. If I just want targets to shoot, I go to Deciat aka Gankers paradise. What I want is a fun game mode where strategy and skill matters.
Exactly. It looks to me that there are a few players here who really care about PP and know in detail how it works. But the whole issue is seen as useful by all those who have a "force people to play with me in Open" agenda. When I see in OP that "block" is really the first target, I don't feel like taking particular suggestions regarding PP at face value.
Which is a shame, because it sounds to me like it could actually be worth trying if I had time and some of the rewards (packhound missiles) could be fun.
Robert Maynard
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I've suggested as much before now - a couple of times. One previously unpopulated area of the galaxy for each platform could be placed behind an Open only permit - and subsequently populated with Factions and Powers - and could only be affected by players in Open on that platform.
It was not that well received.
Lestat
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I think they should work power play so everything Equal for every mode.
They could do it on top of the New player zone and ask a question do you want to enter PvPer zone. So the area would have two uses. The two areas don't interact with each other. The System chat doesn't interact with each other.
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