Tou are preaching to a forum comprised of 90% carebear players and the occasional carebear developer.
Would never happen.
Would never happen.
Make Open Play matter - Power Play and BGS should be influenced only in open
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But you are now implying that everyone in Open are in favour of doing Pewe-Pew PvP... that is something we know are not true... as there are is group that would like an Open Mode without player pew-pew... just look at the Mobious Private groups, that have quite a few players that like that. So they are ALSO for participate with everyone else in the galaxy, but with the no pew-pew at other players...
Open only folks have thrown their own spectacular tantrums as well, of which some got banned for it. But half their comments are still there for anyone who wants to copy/paste them. But I have no need to keep trolling by posting them over and over unlike you lot.
So again, shows how little Open only people actually have, when you have to resort to trolling / name-calling so quickly.
I think I've done quite well to be honest- its been.....four years of solid debate.
But its the same pattern- interesting changes to combat are greeted with hysterical arm waving. Shields and hull changes, gimbals and sensors were also victims of similar "pew pew monsters want to ruin my game" ranting.
Not really, you've never missed an opportunity to quote/repost the trolling posts aimed at me and a few at Mouse. So you're just as bad.
You've never acknowledged that I was also right in that thread. Sandro offered an inch and in less than a page, the mile-long demands of full BGS being open only or full removal of the mode system posts turned up.
So I may have been annoyed and over dramatic at the time, but I was also right. In under 1 hour of my post, I was proven right by those demands.
And you've never discussed the point I made at the time, only gone for the insulting and trolling of me.
Just because you don't acknowledge the good points doesn't mean they weren't being stated.
As is, Powerplay is like a soccer game where one side can go to a completely separate field and just shoot goals with no goalie to stop them. If it were open only, then you'd have both teams on the same field, but since it's not, it's just a contest of who can shoot the most open goals in a given period of time.
As is, Powerplay is like a soccer game where one side can go to a completely separate field and just shoot goals with no goalie to stop them. If it were open only, then you'd have both teams on the same field, but since it's not, it's just a contest of who can shoot the most open goals in a given period of time.
Next time you think about buying a video game do a bit of reading first. That way you won't feel the need to sulk in the forum crying salty tears and getting laughed at by people who knew what they were doing.
This is not actually true though is it.
There are ways to attack and ways to counter without ever engaging in direct PvP.
If you don't know how to counter in PP, then you're doing it wrong.
Only if Frontier would implement some sort of exam before it lets people post to the forums.
So then we'd at least know folks understood some basic points like the mode system was part of the original Kickstarter 8 years ago (2 years before release) and that Frontier said Solo players balance Solo players in Power Play when explaining that all factions have Solo, PG and Open mode, players.
Have you ever actually played powerplay? Countering is undermining, which is just mowing down NPCs. Shooting empty goals. Can't stop enemy haulers who are in solo mode, can't blow up enemy idle turretboats in security sweeps as they accumulate thousands of merits.
Because they were prime examples of hysteria that drives ED into corners, along with "What is Sandro playing at?" and saying the silent majority don't want Open Powerplay. This was despite the forums and a few other places suggesting otherwise- Powerplay went from being a joke feature only subnormnal basement dwellers engaged with to being the most important feature in ED that everyone in Solo must be playing because Open only threatened The Tenets™.
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That people asked for everything to be Open, only for Sandro (3 times to say) its PP only?
People ask for a lot, but Sandro was quite clear, and consistently so. A fact that people ignore.
I've debated Slippery Sloping at length, from the position of not wanting an Open BGS but seeing PP as an Open alternative to it. But yes, I'm a trolling monster.
And back to the accusations of never playing, despite how long I served my Blue hair Goddess.
/yawn
Power Play was designed with the mode system in mind, you can attack and defend from any mode.
All factions have people playing all modes and all platforms. As was said by Frontier.
Consensual PvP still happens when 2 sides consent to meet up and duke it out for the glory of their faction.
The only playstyle restricted by the game design is "forced" PvP. Because Elite: Dangerous has never endorsed forced PvP.
And no one said defending your faction was exciting. But sometimes you just have to muck in if you want to win.
You did not address my point that it's shooting empty goals at all. You said "That's not true" and then didn't back it up. It's a contest to be sure, but a contest of who can shoot the most empty goals is dumb when it could be a full fledged soccer game instead.
And if you have played for so long, have you actually engaged with other power players in an organized fashion, or just gone off to do your own thing?
Oh but your lot screaming Elite would die within a month of release if it didn't go full-on PvP was okay?
Or how Open only advocates (yourself included) have been predicting the end of Elite (every few months) if the mode system wasn't ritualistically destroyed?
You have a weird sense of self-righteousness considering my first ever post in December 2014 was to Open only advocates wailing about the imminent death of the game.
Hmm... it's still here, despite everything.
Yes, you are, when you ignore facts to push your agenda then fall back to insults - despite your own "hysteria".
You've no moral high ground and owe some apologises for your own behavior.
Not that we will ever see you show any respect to others (look how fast you were to repost an insulting post), just like the person you quoted who is going for discredit rather than actually talking about the merits of their prefered idea. But it helps others see what they are dealing with when that's all either of you have, so I don't mind being the target when it shines a light on you both.
No one here is crying. Except the guys upset about being called carebears
I did address your point, you've chosen to ignore it.
I've played more than enough PP thanks. I know how it works, I've done it.
Just because I don't play it your way, doesn't make my points any less valid.
You can defend if you choose to defend - not my fault you don't want to play that way, that's your issue.
You say you did, but let's actually look at it.
Your response?
You conveniently ignored that the "ways to attack and counter" are just shooting more empty goals, which is what I said the problem was.
And again I'll ask, have you ever participated in organized powerplay? Ever worked on setting up a blockade (Which is worthless because of the modes) or snipe? Or did you just click the picture with the prettiest face and think nothing more of it?
You can't defend at all in powerplay- you can only hope you score more empty goals than your opponent did, often without being able to see an up to date scoreboard.
'Your lot'? Plus, I've never advocated the demise of ED because of not being Open. Powerplay yes, if nothing else is done with it and (Open) is all we have thats new.
Amusing, since I post page after page of in depth observations and analysis based on years of Powerplay experience. You? Its all about birthday candles and cakes sliding down greased declinations. My 'agenda' is based on first hand experience playing both open and solo, running Power reddits for years, being in a Powers leadership for years, actually remembering Powerplay changes over its lifetime.
Again, if you read what I've posted when debating you'd see that. But for today at least you are special.
And as we can see today, that has inspired a massive following. So much so FD gone and upgraded the BGS to do exactly the same thing.
? From recent experience Powers kill enemies wherever they are found- its not structured like CQC. You go into your enemies territory and kill them.
The issue is Sandros suggestion would make that more important, in a mode where you opt into conflict.
Its infinitely more interesting when you can shoot down people trying to out prep you, or disrupt fortification.
Well, kinda, yeh.
I'm open. Where the heck is everyone?
How the boycott going by the way.
Wheels on the bus...
I've been testing this false promise recently - that of BGS open being needed, better, etc.
I've recently sought out a small Open Only PMF who play on the same platform and the same general hours as I do. They're only in a handful of systems, and for the past fortnight I've been acting against them in Open.
As expected, the least useful approach has been trying to 'actively' oppose them via PvP. I've hardly seen any of them, so patrolling about in my PvP capable ship was mostly a waste of time, and while patrolling, the only thing I could really do to not make it a complete waste of time was to pirate NPC ships belonging to their faction.
All that did was earn me a massive bounty, and drop my rep to hostile which effectively locked me out of doing anything positive for opposing groups in systems they control. I actually made negative progress for the four factions I decided to push against them - while I was locked out missions they increased their faction control in all systems that were hostile to me.
So I focused on the ones they didn't control, loaded up my mighty Keelback... and managed to trigger a war by pushing a faction level with them, then passed them in two other systems while they were busy defending their asset.
Open BGS is not the answer to anything. Sure, you might get more targets, but focusing on 'direct opposition' is a terrible tactic.
PP, however, that's a different beast.
I've been testing this false promise recently - that of BGS open being needed, better, etc.
I've recently sought out a small Open Only PMF who play on the same platform and the same general hours as I do. They're only in a handful of systems, and for the past fortnight I've been acting against them in Open.
As expected, the least useful approach has been trying to 'actively' oppose them via PvP. I've hardly seen any of them, so patrolling about in my PvP capable ship was mostly a waste of time, and while patrolling, the only thing I could really do to not make it a complete waste of time was to pirate NPC ships belonging to their faction.
All that did was earn me a massive bounty, and drop my rep to hostile which effectively locked me out of doing anything positive for opposing groups in systems they control. I actually made negative progress for the four factions I decided to push against them - while I was locked out missions they increased their faction control in all systems that were hostile to me.
So I focused on the ones they didn't control, loaded up my mighty Keelback... and managed to trigger a war by pushing a faction level with them, then passed them in two other systems while they were busy defending their asset.
Open BGS is not the answer to anything. Sure, you might get more targets, but focusing on 'direct opposition' is a terrible tactic.
PP, however, that's a different beast.
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