Marine/Aquatic Expansion/DLC

[leguminous media]

So I understand the implementation issue with diving, quite an interesting technical problem to figure out. Honestly, diving might not even be necessary for all marine creatures, an no I am not just talking about a penguin or otter that stays on the surface; I bet that a shark or fish that swam at a designated depth would be ok (not ideal but ok, hey Wildlife Park 2 did that) and if say a sawfish could move along the bottom and like swim over the tunnels or rocks it came across by about a foot, I would be convinced. I think it would be essential to pull off marine mammals convincingly though, and as those are some of the marine animals actually found at zoos I think they would be necessary.

What I do love is that Planet zoo has included many of the necessary elements to pull marine animals off such as filling up water along glass walls and underwater tunnels, so I think it could be implemented in a main pack with maybe two smaller additions that don’t necessarily have to all be purchased. However enough would need to be added that I think a marine/aquatic dlc is the only other larger more expensive dlc besides an endangered species dlc that could warrant a larger expansion.

-First off some sort of aquatic theme to help build a small aquarium on grounds, as well as marine rocks, and some coral pieces as plants

-new enrichment in the form of some marine specific toys, but also dither fish. So dither fish are small schooling fish that make other fish more comfortable, this also allows for reef fish without them being full animals, just a school of 10 to 15 fish that school together through the tank I think I would have two varieties: Yellow Tang and five-bar flagtai

-also a new aquatic exhibit, that can have more coral for reef fish, more barren for some, or even kelp for cooler water species


Animals

Harbor Seal

King Penguin

Sand Tiger Shark

Green Sawfish

Arapaima (because this freshwater fish would be a great addition with south american exhibits)

Green Moray-Exhibit

Zebra Moray-Exhibit

Giant Pacific Octopus-Exhibit




Smaller Animal Packs, I honestly think only two are needed


Shark Pack

A few new items like a Megalodon jaw object, shipwreck pieces, and lookdown dither fish. This one may require the marine pack because it has an exhibit animal

Animals:

Scalloped Hammerhead

Zebra Shark

Bull Shark or Blacktip Reef Shark

Spotted Eagle Ray

Epaulette Shark-exhibit


Marine Mammal Pack

Introduces new rescue mechanic to better represent marine mammals in captivity, a new staff behavior showcase, where special staff come and train animals to do a few minor tricks within the exhibit, and some new enrichment options

Animals:

California Sea Lion

West Indian Manatee

Southern Sea Otter

Pacific White-sided Dolphin or Beluga (I know if we ever get cetaceans it is going to be a bottlenose dolphin, but I beg, please do something else)

 

[NZFanatic]

As I've said before when this subject is raised, I'd take the sea lions, otters, and penguins, but everything else isn't really a 'zoo' animal. If they made Planet Aquarium as a separate game then great.

 

[leguminous media]

Pretty much all the animals listed here are 'zoo' animals, in fact that is how this list is designed to give ok coverage of the seas, while keeping it under control for a 'zoo' game
Zebra Shark, Sand tigers and dolphins at the Minnesota Zoo
West Indian Manatee at both the Cincinnati Zoo and Columbus Zoo
Beluga, Hammerheads, Sand tigers, and eagle rays at point defiance
arapaima at denver zoo and henry doorly

The fact is many large zoos have aquariums as part of them, it is just a thing. I really doubt a game called Planet Aquarium will ever be made; if you think planet zoo has too few animals, a planet aquarium game would be far worse. Aquariums have far more species, and far more animals than zoos, so to keep every build from feeling the same, likely a 200 species minimum, with 300 likely the better option. The other issue is the line between zoo and aquarium gets really blurry at many places, I know of aquariums with Clouded Leopards and Sumatran Tigers, and as pointed out zoos have aquariums with sharks and manatees.

 

[NZFanatic]

I'd be happy with smaller aquariums that function similarly to exhibits for small coral reef fish or freshwater fish, but I don't believe there's a good way to realistically include large aquarium fish like sharks and rays. The way it was done in older games like Zoo Tycoon wasn't realistic at all - aquariums require precise water chemistry to maintain, so the big open-top tanks used for fish in those games are hardly ideal in every instance. The biggest killer of captive fish is water pollution caused by chemical imbalances.

Many zoos do have aquariums on their grounds, yes, just as they have reptile houses and aviaries, but these are usually contained within buildings specially-made for the purpose, or at least managed to such a high degree that the various risks involved can be mitigated (even too much sinlight on a glass tank can cause serious damage to the animals inside it if the temperature fluctuates too much too fast). We have the means to create buildings in PlanZo currently, but the difference is that the buildings aren't necessary for gameplay purposes - they're a creative choice. I think it would be detrimental overall if a feature was included that necessitated creating buildings, especially for the many players that already struggle with the building system, not to mention also incorporating the paths, tank walls, and so on that would be required.

There are also ethical questions to be raised about keeping animals such as dolphins and orca in captivity, when every instance has shown that no facility can achieve this to a degree that is good for the animal. You'll no doubt wish to raise some kind of point about great apes or elephants as a counterargument, but this same debate has been made over and over and over on the board thus far so I'm not going to bother getting into the details.

All I will say is that for me personally, the ideal "marine" DLC would include only the following:

- California Sea Lion (an obvious choice, a common animal in zoos).
- Humboldt/African/Galapagos/Megallanic Penguin (any of these would be a good penguin species to start with).
- Southern Sea Otter (more niche, but they are endangered and beloved by people who knows about them).
- Perhaps another pinniped, such as the grey seal or harbour seal, or something like the king penguin which would require more specialist care and fulfil the "challenging" need.

It would come with a host of marine foliage such as kelp, as well as decorative reef rocks with corals, mussels, and other shellfish attached to them, and other underwater decorative items like maybe pieces of a sunken ship or a treasure chest or whatever else. Enrichment items that can be used in water would also be necessary.

In terms of fish and aquariums, as I said, a range of exhibit-like aquariums would be nice with fish on looped animations or something. There could be something like eight key species (feature fish) with smaller community fish appearing in the background depending on the biome. On top of water temperature, you would also have to deal with the levels of salinity, pH, ammonia, and nitrate/nitrite. For Franchise/Challenge players, there could also be aquarium-specific diseases that require researching to give these basic aquariums a little more punch and gameplay.

Bottom line is, though, no big habitat fish or fully-aquatic animals. I would accept manatees perhaps if it came down to it, but based on what I've read about throughout the web I think there are too many important questions yet to be answered about dolphins and other highly-intelligent cetaceans for them to be included in a game that is ostensibly about conservation and animal welfare. I also don't think their inclusion is especially likely because of those unanswered questions - look at how Frontier reacted to the polar bear as a good example of the kinds of calls they're willing to make in service of an animal welfare message.

 

[leguminous media]

exhibits similar to the zoo tycoon open air do exist however, I mean I guess besides cetacean and pinnipeds they do cover them with a large structure, while still allowing air flow The arizonia-sonora desert museum and sea world san Diego have outdoor ray touch pools, and the aquarium of the pacific has a full on shark tank like this, which is actually quite impressive. Yes, many aquariums and zoos cover them up (which can be achieved in zoo tycoon 2 and planet zoo), though my guess that is more to do with temperature on what style is chosen, and their are full open air exhibits, like the Monterey bay kelp forest (though they cheat by just pumping ocean water in so they don't have to worry about chemical imbalances)

 

[RabidOkapi]

Pretty much all the animals listed here are 'zoo' animals, in fact that is how this list is designed to give ok coverage of the seas, while keeping it under control for a 'zoo' game
Zebra Shark, Sand tigers and dolphins at the Minnesota Zoo
West Indian Manatee at both the Cincinnati Zoo and Columbus Zoo
Beluga, Hammerheads, Sand tigers, and eagle rays at point defiance
arapaima at denver zoo and henry doorly

The fact is many large zoos have aquariums as part of them, it is just a thing. I really doubt a game called Planet Aquarium will ever be made; if you think planet zoo has too few animals, a planet aquarium game would be far worse. Aquariums have far more species, and far more animals than zoos, so to keep every build from feeling the same, likely a 200 species minimum, with 300 likely the better option. The other issue is the line between zoo and aquarium gets really blurry at many places, I know of aquariums with Clouded Leopards and Sumatran Tigers, and as pointed out zoos have aquariums with sharks and manatees.

Naming one zoo each animal calls home does not make them a common zoo animal by any means.

I love aquariums and their inhabitants, but most zoos do not have an abundance of marine/aquatic life. They may have limited species, of course. It’s just a fact, or a thing if you will. Not really up for debate.

Common marine life would be sea lions, otters, penguins, and a few others to varying degrees. Sharks, rays, and other awesome marine life are not found in most zoos.

Yes, Henry Doorly and some other zoos have small aquariums, but no zoo has a full fledged aquarium that can compare to Georgia, Shedd, Ripley’s, or Monterrey.

Many aquariums may have an occasional land species, as you have named...but those are uncommon to say the least. Over 90% of aquariums won’t have a clouded leopard and over 90% of zoos won’t have the amazing eagle ray. Some zoos have okay aquariums. Having seen many of them myself, they may have an exhibit or two that is awesome, but your explanation would be four-seven DLC packs and basically a fully developed aquarium...in other words...impossible...unless no more land animals make it into the game.

Even the best zoo aquariums pale in comparison to actual aquariums, and while I love marine life and aquariums in general, all I feel that is needed for Planet Zoo are semi aquatic species: penguins, sea lions, otters, a seal or two, beavers, etc.

Maybe one or two marine life packs are needed, but that is all that can even be expected. In reality, I expect 0 aquatic packs and some animals here and there with aquatic features to be added in.

 

[leguminous media]

You made some points, This anti-fish thing is really interesting, probably cause they slimy. (that is a ref to the guy who came up with all the scientific names ya know)

The one thing though is using Planet Aquarium as some sort of way of telling people who want marine stuff that this should not be in Planet Zoo. You see Planet Aquarium is never going to be made! Quite confident in that for a host of reasons, not saying that an incredible aquarium game could be made, just I don't see it being Planet Aquarium
-The biggest issue is aquariums, are very different than either zoos or theme parks. (what the planet series is built on) Zoos and Theme parks actually have a lot in common, namely being built outside, and relying on expanding into empty parts of the property, or replacing old exhibits/attractions. Aquariums are usually inside a building. The building is constructed, and sure if they have empty areas around them, then yeah they can maybe build a secondary building or expansion. To be honest it would make more sense if EA did an aquarium game because it would be like the sims. Their are a few quite impressive aquariums that have a more outdoor construction, such as the Oregon coast or better yet the Aquarium of Genoa. You see the thing is these are not most aquariums, most are a single building, those that don't begin to trend to marine life parks which have many ethical issues that would result in bad press for the game.
-Also great to bring up the 5% of aquariums that are massive and really spectacular: Georgia, Ripley's, Shedd, Monterey, though you forgot Okinawa Churaumi Aquarium. Planet Zoo maps can only grow so large the computer has trouble processing it. Imagine now instead of 2D land and a little simple water, animals moving all about in 3D spaces, all the time in a complex building, I have to wonder if modern computers could handle a 3d representation of any of those aquariums in as much detail as the planet franchise demands. Aquariums defiantly can be put in a tier list, ranging from small one story buildings with a few little tanks, to massive multi floor complexes. My guess is perhaps a mid-level aquarium, possibly something near Monterey, it is relatively less complex, no indoor amazon area or large reef area. I could see a very complex system to unrender all animals not in the immediate direct field of view. Also like Aquariums on the scale you are implying their are literally thousands of animals, zoos with the exceptions of the largest like San Diego and Henry Doorly, have thousands of animals. (In henry doorly's case, I honestly bet the aquarium holds 40% of their total animals, and as you said it is small, though calling it small is unfair, it is actually a mid-tier aquarium that can almost hold its own with all but the larger more famous aquariums)
-Next while I love aquariums, they would be one of the worst settings for a game. As stated previously most aquariums are one building, and that building must be finished before guests can even come in, so what? Home Depot gives you hundreds of millions of dollars to make a nice aquarium, and then what you just amass money to build a new wing? or some annex? This seems like aquariums only work in a sandbox mode, sure you could do campaigns in already build aquariums, but a challenge mode? doesn't seem fun at all, just don't spend all the cash you get. I have seen an aquarium grow from a one room rented out mall store, to a pretty high tier aquarium, perhaps that journey would work as a challenge mode, making the money to slowly build a bigger and bigger aquarium, moving to larger lots. Maybe you can get into financial trouble and get bought out by a seafood company, and slowly the educational elements drift away as you implement mermaid shows, start exploiting the marine mammals, and turning into a corporate shill, then some shady Dr Wu wannabe shows up and creates a mosasaurs, which gets angry one day, breaks into the orca pool and eats them, floods some areas, and the aquarium gets sued into foreclosure. Wait, I actually what to play this game, it sounds so messed up and cynical, someone make it!
-Finally the animals, maybe saying 200 minimum is too much, probably 150 would be ok. What I see as the biggest issue is that "exhibit" animals and "full" animals is way too blurry in aquatics, poison dart frogs and most small reptiles and insects live in small exhibits in real zoos; clearly a hammerhead is a "full" animal and a goby is an "exhibit" animal, however what about a mid-sized surgeon fish. I could be in a smaller exhibit, but also school in a large shark tank, so the "exhibit" "full" distinction has to be broken down, you know for realism.

Ultimately I think many people would like a decent contingent of marine animals, enough to build a small aquarium on grounds with like a shark tank and a few exhibits, and maybe when creatively combined with some "zoo" animals, build a half decent 1 building aquarium that dominates a map. Look I understand that we are missing many land animals, though if well though out, not all that many are really "missing" like yes, an Africa pack with meerkats and an rhinoceros, but to be fair those are really the only 2 I think that are missing for the game to be rather complete. Yeah I want Crowned Cranes, Scimitar Horned Oryx, Tasmanian Devils, Capybara, Vultures, maned wolves, Clouded Leopards, and Mountain Lions; but are they necessary elements for pretty much every zoo, no.

 

[Kaan]

A separate game was always a second plan for me. Because when a separate game is focused entirely on marine animals and mammals, even the slightest thing can cause more reactions. Anyone who sees marine animals in Planet Zoo might say "at least there are marine animals in a game that contains the message of protection". Planet Aquarium would be great, but that's really the same as feeling on the edge of the cliff. there are many reasons for this. I really don't find it logical to separate aquariums and zoos.
As I said in previous topics, it would be great if it were possible to combine two separate games. But I think Frontier currently doesn't have enough time and enough teams to develop both Planet Zoo and Planet Aquarium. The Planet series is a series that must be constantly supported. The care of captive animals is improving with each passing day. Mistakes made in the past are a thing of the past, there is nothing good about constantly dwelling on them.
Short and to the point; yes, I want marine animals and mammals but as an expansion pack. There are many ways to add them to the game correctly. Many zoos have outdoor / indoor aquarium zones. There is no point in separating these two games and dividing the players just because one is called a zoo and the other is named Aquarium. basically both are theme parks, and marine animals are "animals". If Planet Aquarium is going to be built and there won't be marine mammals, what's the need to make such a separate game?

 

[Cynogale bennettii II]

I think a small pack of fully aquatic species could work for Planet Zoo - the catch is that because marine systems are extremely expensive to maintain, many of the larger aquatic animals that are kept in real zoos and would also be able to be 'full' animals in Planet Zoo are from freshwater habitats. Such a pack could be a good thing from a conservation-education perspective, as freshwaters are some of the most imperilled habitats on Earth. Some animals that could work include:

West Indian manatee: The manatee is, in Europe at least, primarily a zoo animal rather than an aquarium species - of the nine places that keep the species, only one is a traditional aquarium, while the others are all traditional zoos that house mostly terrestrial animals. I also know of a number of American and Asian zoos that house manatees alongside more traditional zoo species.
Pig nosed turtle: Instead of a large sea turtle, this could be a workable freshwater example. They are unique among freshwater turtles in having flippers rather than legs, are large and active enough to warrant full interactivity and would add another Australian animal to the game. They are also so specialised for water that they would not really need land - the species even lays eggs that only hatch when submerged in water, which would kill other turtle eggs.
Large freshwater fishes: At least a couple of species in the pack could be giant freshwater fish; they are not only kept in tanks but in a number of places they may be kept in outdoor lakes or moats around other animal enclosures - I know the Singapore Zoo has arapaima living in the moats of its monkey islands. As well as arapaima, other potential species could include large sturgeons, big catfish like the Amazon red-tailed catfish or the American paddlefish.

 

[podna86]

The main problem I see with creating s Planrt Aquarium game is a simple one. If it would be anything similar to Planet Zoo ot would have to suspend realism and border on "unethical" to use terms others here have thrown about. I got my degree in marine biology, worked at an aquarium for 7 years and have been on several hundred scuba dives in the ocean totaling hundreds of hours. Even the best aquariums could be considered unethical. We are finding out more and more that reef fish can live decades in the wild and rarely make double digits in captivity. This is a fact not hyperbole. Very few are captive bred and in some cases its still cheaper to collect from the wild than it is for a company to house captive broodstock. And not all reef fish are certified humanely or ethically collected (guarantee you've see fish caught with cyanide, even in the best aquariums).

Moving on to cetaceans:
For the game to be interesting there will have to be many varieties of cetaceans and pinnipeds. Problem #1 is the moral dilemma of keeping these animals in captivity. As per previous discussions and comments, that is a bridge too far for many so they would never buy it. So from an economic perspective would Frontier gamble of not enough people buying it?
Problem #2 is the realism. There are not many species of cetaceans kept in captivity. In the US I can think of belugas, pacific white sided dolphins, Dall's porpoise (SW San Diego only), bottlenose dolphins, false killer whale, pilot whale (SW San Diego only, maybe hawaii), melon headed whale (rare in US), orca, rough toothed dolphin (SW Orlando, 1 individual, dont get me started on this one I helped with his rehab, Hawaii used to have some back in the day when collecting was unregulated) and orcas. China/Japan has a more species but they are in even worse ethical shape than the US. Include all or of the above list but add striped dolphin, rissos dolphin, spotted dolphin. And that all just from the Japanese drive fishery. They could easily have more but my knowledge isn't as extensive there. That would be a pretty small species list of just cetaceans. Sharks and pinnipeds would be smaller. If anyone wants i can list those too. So to make the game interesting we would have to have more animals that are not found in captivity even by the most unethical countries.

The level of antipathy on these forums towards any of these things based on realism and ethics is mind boggling. IT IS A GAME! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though. So... if frotier were to make a stand alone game they must be willing to look past ethics and realism. There also has to be a large enough audience that would buy it. I dont know just based on what I've observed that a majority of people are against it or are they just a vocal few. That's why I think an aquarium/marine dlc(s) would be a better way to go. They are small, discrete packs that users have the choice of whether to buy or not. They're only $10 or so so they wouldnt lose out on people not buying a $50 game. Or they may try a few dlcs and test the waters so to speak and see if there is a real demand before they fully commit. I would love a stand alone game but it would have to have animals in it that are not kept in captivity to be interesting. If Frontier isn't willing to cross that bridge then it wouldn't be a game worth buying.

Ultimately, Frontier is a corporation, and corporations are only interested in making money. If they can make money on a marine/aquarium dlc they will make one. I also believe, as a corporation, they dont really care about realism or ethics or any of that. They're just buzzwords to hook people. If they can make money by bending or breaking those self imposed rules, they will.

 

[NL_Mutso]

The level of antipathy on these forums towards any of these things based on realism and ethics is mind boggling. IT IS A GAME! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though. So... if frotier were to make a stand alone game they must be willing to look past ethics and realism. There also has to be a large enough audience that would buy it. I dont know just based on what I've observed that a majority of people are against it or are they just a vocal few. That's why I think an aquarium/marine dlc(s) would be a better way to go. They are small, discrete packs that users have the choice of whether to buy or not. They're only $10 or so so they wouldnt lose out on people not buying a $50 game. Or they may try a few dlcs and test the waters so to speak and see if there is a real demand before they fully commit. I would love a stand alone game but it would have to have animals in it that are not kept in captivity to be interesting. If Frontier isn't willing to cross that bridge then it wouldn't be a game worth buying.

I think you are mixing up some POVs.

From my understanding:
There's a group against "unethical" things in games (unethical is highly debatable and a very personal opinion)
There's a group that prefer a separate game.
I'm not sure that the first group support the idea of a separate game.

From a gaming POV you will never get the requirements right for Great White Shark, because in RL they don't know it either. So wouldn't like that addition personally.
To me, it's just a gut feeling when you read a suggestion - not something done with ethics in my mind.

I prefer a separate game, because they can fully commit to these features. I'm not convinced they can do both right in PZ. I wouldn't like a half-baked addition
The game is not running smoothly for most people and I'm not convinced adding big marine mammals/water movements will help.

Would like to marine animals in PZ but on a smaller scale. Aquariums/smaller fish/semi-aquatic. To me, that would fit PZ better.
But even then, the game would have to run more smoothly.

 

[ZooMan]

i hope they add a aquarium pack.

 

[yoav_r]

If it ever comes it will likely be in a Planet Zoo 2, or a dedicated Planet Aquarium, both of which are considered unlikely.

 

[12344321]

If it ever comes it will likely be in a Planet Zoo 2, or a dedicated Planet Aquarium, both of which are considered unlikely.

Based on what? I think there is a great chance Planet Zoo gets aquarium dlc....you know how insanely desired it is (I think it is the second most requested dlc after aviaries)


I feel like JWE2 proves that a new mechanic such as aquariums or avairies isn't enough to successfully sell a game.

Why would Frontier mess with a good thing twice? I think they learned their lessons and realize improving Planet Zoo is more desired than a new game very few people want. (Ie. another JWE2 mishap, like Planet Aquarium)

 

[yoav_r]

Based on what? I think there is a great chance Planet Zoo gets aquarium dlc....you know how insanely desired it is (I think it is the second most requested dlc after aviaries)

Based on the size of previous packs. A marine expansion would take at least 20 animals, a lot of new mechanics for aquariums and indoor building, and even than it would only be scratching the surface. Just check out the roster of Megaquarium to see how large a basic roster of an aquarium game needs to be. This is not something Frontier has ever done to any game.

 

[12344321]

Oh that's a good point. I respect your opinion. I personally don't want an aquarium addition limited to:

1) Planet Zoo 2 (I don't want a new game that adds aquariums when they can be added into the game already as a dlc....I didn't buy JWE2 just because it added aquariums and aviaries, and I won't be buying Planet Zoo 2 for adding the same thing. Frontier can make aquarium dlc a 20 animal pack and I will buy it, my biggest issue with Planet Zoo is how small the dlc's are...GIVE US LARGER DLC (a pack of 20 aquarium animals is EXACTLY what I'm asking for).
I honestly won't buy Planet Zoo 2 DLC all over again, but I will buy a massive Aquarium or Aviary dlc for Planet Zoo....and at any price it will make Planet Zoo SO much better)

And secondly 2) Planet Aquarium IN NO WAY INTERESTS ME PERSONALLY....the current zoo simulator I'm playing needs birds and aquarium species to be realistic (major zoos have birds and fish). I don't need SOME NEW GAME, fix this one.

I say let's work on making this current zoo simulation more realistic...before we jump ship and introduce a new game very few people are asking for (I get the vibe more people want aquariums in Planet Zoo instead of a Planet Aquarium)

 

[Leaf Productions]

I really wish we don't get a PZ2 too soon from where we are now, a la Jurassic World Evolution Treatment. The game is more than capable of handling full-fledged aquatics already, and I think they'd be welcome as both Freshwater and Saltwater additions for two different DLC's, kinda along the lines of how I outlined the Aviary Packs on my channel. I also don't think a Planet Aquarium is advisable either, because zoos and aquariums are on the same level, and many zoos have built in aquariums, and many aquariums tend to have zoo animals as well. I would much rather see a small combination of the two, rather than a larger new game solely for aquariums.

However, I will always opt for Belugas and/or Bottlenose Dolphins, they've been proven to do exceptionally well within captivity, and would make for a good addition. I think a lot of the controversy of cetaceans in captivity has been blown out of proportion, and I think that Frontier will do good to analyze the real statistics and situations in order to get them in the game.

 

[ElectricMonk]

I really wish we don't get a PZ2 too soon from where we are now, a la Jurassic World Evolution Treatment. The game is more than capable of handling full-fledged aquatics already, and I think they'd be welcome as both Freshwater and Saltwater additions for two different DLC's, kinda along the lines of how I outlined the Aviary Packs on my channel. I also don't think a Planet Aquarium is advisable either, because zoos and aquariums are on the same level, and many zoos have built in aquariums, and many aquariums tend to have zoo animals as well. I would much rather see a small combination of the two, rather than a larger new game solely for aquariums.

I agree that, if we get full aquatics then they’d be better in PZ than ‘Planet Aquarium’ and that I can’t see why they’d have to wait for ‘PZ2’. For those saying that it’d only be worth it if there were ~20 species, though, you might as well just say you don’t want it at all - IMO there’s zero chance of that happening although it’s VERY likely that additional species would be added in other packs (as has happened with all the other DLC). Full aquatics are lower on my personal requests than either aviaries or additional terrestrial species (especially Australian and South American) species though since, (contrary to some people’s claims) many small and even major zoos don’t have aquaria. Those that do mostly don’t have all that many large (I.e., habitat) species anyway.

However, I will always opt for Belugas and/or Bottlenose Dolphins, they've been proven to do exceptionally well within captivity, and would make for a good addition. I think a lot of the controversy of cetaceans in captivity has been blown out of proportion, and I think that Frontier will do good to analyze the real statistics and situations in order to get them in the game.

Neither Belugas or bottlenose dolphins have been ‘proven’ to do “well” in captivity. The evidence isn’t great either way but saying they’ve been proven to do well, let alone ‘exceptionally well’ is massively overstating things. About the best that can be said is that they do better than other cetaceans.

 

[premierfong]

I really wish we don't get a PZ2 too soon from where we are now, a la Jurassic World Evolution Treatment. The game is more than capable of handling full-fledged aquatics already, and I think they'd be welcome as both Freshwater and Saltwater additions for two different DLC's, kinda along the lines of how I outlined the Aviary Packs on my channel. I also don't think a Planet Aquarium is advisable either, because zoos and aquariums are on the same level, and many zoos have built in aquariums, and many aquariums tend to have zoo animals as well. I would much rather see a small combination of the two, rather than a larger new game solely for aquariums.

However, I will always opt for Belugas and/or Bottlenose Dolphins, they've been proven to do exceptionally well within captivity, and would make for a good addition. I think a lot of the controversy of cetaceans in captivity has been blown out of proportion, and I think that Frontier will do good to analyze the real statistics and situations in order to get them in the game.

Agree to no PZ2, takes too long to wait for full roster. Also a fan of beluga and bottlenose, as long as its proven well in captive. Leaf you know I am always a supporter of expansion for aviary, aquarium, animal hospital, night safari, and Disney's Animal Kingdom. haha. Anyways maybe they are holding a surprise back after Prehistoric Kingdom released for a month or two than release something BIG to bring people back.