Marine Mania and show elements? Just some suggestions, wishes according to the game engine itself.

[Aszpik]

Dear Frontier!

Planet Zoo has a reworked water body compared to Planet Coaster's simple water layer, it now has an actual underwater body, I didn't test yet that it also have fluid mechanics (for exampla: if I delete the barrier the water will gush out), but according to this feature my hope is that in the future that you guys will give us an Aquarium DLC making possible to build large fish tanks (smalls as well, just to look nice nex to and exhibit), and to add fishes to existing smaller lakes in habitats to create more complex biomes. Also for underwater fauna to create hihgly detalied seabeds (corals, algae etc.), paths, underwater buildings (observation domes, etc.) and rides to go underwater, maybe some scuba diving activity for guests in the more peacefull aquariums, like in the open habitats. And lastly show elements, this one was in several games in the past (ZT Marine Mania and ZT 2 as well, and there were some other aquapark building games that I dont remember the name); I liked how deep the fireworks and show elements go in Planet Coaster and RCT3, and I wish for the same in Planet Zoo expansed with actual animal attractions and water elements in the scope - make those grandstand full of visitors and grab their cash !!!

 

[LN]

Aquariums: yes please
Shows: no thanks

 

[StarshineCat]

What about shows not like waterparks, but conservation programme aquariums? i.e. like Vancouver aquarium, Where the purpose of the show is enrichment for the animal and if the animal is sleepy or doesnt want to, it doesn't happen that day?

 

[Kaan]

This is one of the DLC packages or games I want the most. I'm very sensitive about this. I want sea animals too. I do not insist on the shows. it would be great for me to even get just sea animals. but I have to say a few things about the shows.
If the shows will be in the form of live animal documentaries, I am not against it. but if there is going to be circus-style shows, that is, jumping from fiery hoops, I am absolutely against it. we used to see circus style shows too much. zoos and aquariums used to do this a lot. But nowadays there are mostly demonstrations involving the natural behavior of animals and these are called "live animal documentaries" instead of "shows"(but basically they are all show). For example, because you are talking about marine animals, there is the most familiar Orca Encounter I can give as an example. so you understand what i mean? I wish the shows would be the way I said in game. again you can collect crowded people and get their money, but at least you will inform people.
I also want them to inform people about positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement. because people can get wrong perceptions.
we talk so much, good. but we don't even know if the game engine supports it.

and if the animal is sleepy or doesnt want to, it doesn't happen that day?

This detail was also on ZT2. when the animals are not happy, didn't want show(animals refused the show). it was a simple but beautiful feature. of course we can never measure the degree of happiness of animals, but at least a feature similar to this feature can be applied for PZ.

 

[NZFanatic]

I'm happy to have aquarium exhibits for small fish and invertebrates, I'm happy to have seals/sea lions/penguins, anything beyond that is a big no from me.

 

[Aszpik]

This is one of the DLC packages or games I want the most. I'm very sensitive about this. I want sea animals too. I do not insist on the shows. it would be great for me to even get just sea animals. but I have to say a few things about the shows.
If the shows will be in the form of live animal documentaries, I am not against it. but if there is going to be circus-style shows, that is, jumping from fiery hoops, I am absolutely against it. we used to see circus style shows too much. zoos and aquariums used to do this a lot. But nowadays there are mostly demonstrations involving the natural behavior of animals and these are called "live animal documentaries" instead of "shows"(but basically they are all show). For example, because you are talking about marine animals, there is the most familiar Orca Encounter I can give as an example. so you understand what i mean? I wish the shows would be the way I said in game. again you can collect crowded people and get their money, but at least you will inform people.
I also want them to inform people about positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement. because people can get wrong perceptions.
we talk so much, good. but we don't even know if the game engine supports it.

This detail was also on ZT2. when the animals are not happy, didn't want show(animals refused the show). it was a simple but beautiful feature. of course we can never measure the degree of happiness of animals, but at least a feature similar to this feature can be applied for PZ.

I am familiar with this idea. But I don't understand why people think that nowdays in parks, circuses and in shows that are use (employee is a better word I think) animals in their repertoire is animal cruelty. There are a lot of law that sanction this use, and there is even the public. Don't know about the rest of the world, but in the EU, and here where I live in Hungary there is very strict restrictions for it, even for dogs and breeders, so it's not exactly a Netflix's Tiger King. Here for shows they teaching of animals is based on awarding, sure there is a concern that you teach an animal something that is not trully in their nature (for this concern there is also a solution: you only teach something that animal would do anyway, playing, climbing extreme heights in extreme angles, etc. - that shows some of the chain dropping routines that this animal normally can do), but it keeps me wondering: we tech our pets and we even teach our sorrunding enviroment just with our existence - for example ELTE prowed that INKE alarming systems not exactly effective against deers and roes along highways because they quickly adapt to the situation and ignoring the noise of the device, almost teaching. Plus if you not keep and treat these animals well, they won't reproduce because they stressed, depressed and hurt in some ways (just like the cows in farms, their lactation period can suddenly over for the same reasons). What I'd like to say that most people judge by the mainstream trends and media, not care enough to dig deep and learn what is really happening behind. I am not saying that this can be equall to all animals, hell not; but there are more social ones among them that are curious and can enjoy to discover something new and get new impulses from their sorrundings (since the anthropogenic effects arranged for these animals to lives in some kind of reserves) for their visitors - so these types the ones that are capable to be part of a show, or let to interact with humans, keeping their wellfare's in the scope. Not too different that you can't visit night time animals during their daytime rest in a Zoo, even if their habitat is darkened.

For side notes (indirectly connects to the topic): horses wellfare dropped since the motorization, because they don't get as much walk, use of their legs and muscles that they would normally demand, and that they adapted during their thousands of years of human use.

 

[Kaan]

I am familiar with this idea. But I don't understand why people think that nowdays in parks, circuses and in shows that are use (employee is a better word I think) animals in their repertoire is animal cruelty. There are a lot of law that sanction this use, and there is even the public. Don't know about the rest of the world, but in the EU, and here where I live in Hungary there is very strict restrictions for it, even for dogs and breeders, so it's not exactly a Netflix's Tiger King. Here for shows they teaching of animals is based on awarding, sure there is a concern that you teach an animal something that is not trully in their nature (for this concern there is also a solution: you only teach something that animal would do anyway, playing, climbing extreme heights in extreme angles, etc. - that shows some of the chain dropping routines that this animal normally can do), but it keeps me wondering: we tech our pets and we even teach our sorrunding enviroment just with our existence - for example ELTE prowed that INKE alarming systems not exactly effective against deers and roes along highways because they quickly adapt to the situation and ignoring the noise of the device, almost teaching. Plus if you not keep and treat these animals well, they won't reproduce because they stressed, depressed and hurt in some ways (just like the cows in farms, their lactation period can suddenly over for the same reasons). What I'd like to say that most people judge by the mainstream trends and media, not care enough to dig deep and learn what is really happening behind. I am not saying that this can be equall to all animals, hell not; but there are more social ones among them that are curious and can enjoy to discover something new and get new impulses from their sorrundings (since the anthropogenic effects arranged for these animals to lives in some kind of reserves) for their visitors - so these types the ones that are capable to be part of a show, or let to interact with humans, keeping their wellfare's in the scope. Not too different that you can't visit night time animals during their daytime rest in a Zoo, even if their habitat is darkened.

For side notes (indirectly connects to the topic): horses wellfare dropped since the motorization, because they don't get as much walk, use of their legs and muscles that they would normally demand, and that they adapted during their thousands of years of human use.

I agree. But as I said, circuses have a very bad public image. and a lot of videos about circuses have emerged. and those animals are waiting in small cages all day long. A whip in the hands of the trainers. this is really bad. I am only against the circus about the shows. The reason for this is the environment where the animals are located and the behavior of the trainers. we only see that the circus trainers whip. There is also a hook in the hand of elephant trainers, I sometimes see this in zoos. So if there are going to be shows in the game, I definitely don't want the circus.
In addition, the tricks exhibited in circuses have no natural side, and you cannot see an elephant standing on one leg in the wild. so protests against circuses are absolutely correct and I agree.
Also, people do not know the difference between positive supplement shows and negative supplement shows. they approach with prejudice.

 

[Aszpik]

I agree, that why I wrote, that shows must tune to the grab the animals natural awsomeness and their capability for it, and not the stunt style fire ring rubish thing, I am also against it. Anyway circuses is more a Planco thing and didn't really wrote it to the Planco topic with animals in mind, there are several other circus elements that can maintain a show without animals. Planzoo just only need water shows for this aqua based thematic, (maybe a safari thing but this one is another story and is in the game already in some form I think), with also basic elements, feeding, playing, just how it was in older games and previously written about - and even caress. I don't know much about caress with sea animals like dolphins, only I know that they use it not just for show, but therapy (which would also an interesting addition to the game, especially since Frontier like maintain charity gamestreams), but I don't really know if it's good or bad to the animal. According to videos the animal happily let itself for caress and seems playfull, so don't think it is bad for it.

 

[Kaan]

I agree, you're right.

Planzoo just only need water shows for this aqua based thematic

Apparently you are a ZT player. Not only water-themed shows but also land animals show(live documantery) can be added to the game. but we don't know if the game engine supports it, and we don't even know if we're going to get sea animals too. so over hope may cause frustration. this kind of thing means extra mechanics.
On the other hand, if they are going to add the shows to this game, they should definitely not attempt to show the shows better at this point. As I said, they need to inform people about positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement, and it is good to say that every facility is not in good faith. because I don't think poor facilities train animals with positive reinforcement.

According to videos the animal happily let itself for caress and seems playfull, so don't think it is bad for it.

I can not say that I found this kind of approach very correct.
we cannot know if any wild animal is happy. we can only raise the level of welfare.