Masterplan of Planet Coaster
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And I have no obligation to buy their products and deal with their white knight fan base. In fact, from now on, I won’t. Boy, I don’t think I’ve had such a disappointing game experience since... SimCity, maybe? See ya, guys. Hopefully, in the future there will be a more fully featured theme park sim.
I hardly consider myself a "white knight", in fact, I did not defend Frontier at all, I merely pointed out the folly of the arguments presented by others on this thread.
And you are absolutely right, you have no obligation to invest your time or money in this game. But that sort of naturally begs the question what are you doing hanging out on and actively participating on a forum of a game you clearly dislike and/or are disappointed in?
This is the Million Dollar Question for some other Users in this Forum. I think the answer is obvious.
If I had a dollar for every stupid argument I see someone make...
The point he made isn't totally false though. Because it's a fact that people stopped playing the game and did not buy DLC. So at least you will have to agree there is a relation between this and their communication.
PS. Just implying that people don't belong on this forum because they're disappointed or whatever isn't just silly, in my opinion it's very offensive and no one should do it.
The point he made isn't totally false though. Because it's a fact that people stopped playing the game and did not buy DLC. So at least you will have to agree there is a relation between this and their communication.
PS. Just implying that people don't belong on this forum because they're disappointed or whatever isn't just silly, in my opinion it's very offensive and no one should do it.
Not sure any of us can do any kinds of business relationship conclusions unless we have all the information. And we don't even have a fraction of it here. We have some statistics from SteamDB that can be interpreted in as many ways as there are users on this forum. That is the problem with statistics.
As for telling someone not to be on the forums. I agree, we should not do that. However, to play devils advocate here, Citytrader just asked why he was on the forums here. Not asking him to leave. It was a legitimate question in my opinion. I would personally not want to hang around on a forum for a game I don't like. Seems like a waste of time in my book. But that is just my opinion and not a rule people has to live by.
Have you ever considered that maybe those that have invested like me and like the concept of the game, are hanging in there to see if may be, just maybe the devs will get their act together and sort out the base game. I love the game but dislike the actions from those that control the game since half way through beta release. So what catagory would you put people like me in?
I'm not saying you can draw conclusions based on steam numbers. But based on experience, not knowing about the future of PC has an impact on players.
Come on, let's not pretend. It wasn't an innocent question. And even if it was it's none of anyone's buisness and doesn't have anything to do with anything really.
Thank you ojonas. I think a lot more people around here need to give others the benefit of the doubt.
As have I. I was part of Alpha as well. So I wouldn't dream of categorizing you. I believe earlier in this thread I also expressed my opinion that of all the new theme park games, this one is clearly the best. I for one am perfectly willing to give Frontier all the time they need to fix, tweak, and expand this game to it's potential. I mean, it took almost ten years to get RCT3 where the community wanted, without any help from the developers, so there you go. Patience is a virtue.
I think it is a perfectly natural question to ask. Why would anyone waste time on something he disliked? No malice was intended or inferred. If someone wishes to find some, that's their problem. I have been around these and other RCT forums for almost twenty years, and have never once been accused of malice. It's sad that some people feel they have the right to twist meanings or read into every word printed to accomplish their own goals. Unfortunately, that is the way of the world today, isn't it?
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Are you serious? I'm not twisting anything to "accomplish my own goal". (What goal would that even be?)
You implied another member's participation on here was, by your own interpretation in your last comment, a waste of time - and CP agreed. If it wasn't malice it was still bad phrasing. You don't have to justify yourself for posting on here, noone else should.
And why would someone post on a forum of a game they disliked? Maybe to express exactly that?! To provide feedback?! So things change for the better?!
Maybe now we can come btt and talk about what's being said instead of talking about motivation for commenting.
Define best - if you mean actual design I totally agree with you, if you mean tools and management then no way in a million years is PC ahead of others they have a 'huge' mountain to climb there hence many frustrated statement by many frustrated archaic users!
Now as for patience all well and good however the world is moving fast the commercial world the same the mere fact they are already running on to Jurrasic World should ring alarm bells to you lot. It Is not rocket science they have had plenty of time to work on base game and get that right before jumping on to the dlc train. Should JW fail then no doubt they will draw the team strategically back on to PC should the user numbers be stable or on the advance.
Back to the Master Plan, there is not one that the devs have been specific about - it shows commitment when you have true dialogue between devs and the consumer it builds trust and unity. Doing the secret squirrel and deciding the community and fans are just mere pawns to use and abuse at their discretion will only lead to a negative curve as the months / years go by.
We want them to be more abstract to treat us not like children or mindless minions we need to have more clarity and periodic road maps so we can grow in alignment with their ethos and not just playing guessing games to their problematic solutions!
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Most larger gaming software companies do work on more than one title at the time. In many cases the software engineers are part of more than one team/game. Having one team always dedicated to one title "usually" only works when you are a smaller company or an indie developer. Did Elite suffer from the announcement and development of Planet Coaster? Seems like the Elite game is still going strong. I am sure some of the developers used for Elite also have worked on Planet Coaster and now Jurassic Park.
Not sure if I can recall, my memory doesn't always works as I like, any of the major gaming companies releasing master plans for any of their games. Not even sure Paradox has an official road-map for Cities Skylines (since a lot of people like to compare their development with Frontier's). Does EA have one for the Sim's telling the customers what the next expansion will be? Or they are out there and I have not found them and Frontier is the only company not releasing a "Master plan" publicly.
You have this backwards, teams dedicated to titles is really only going to be found in big companies with a lot of employees. Smaller companies like frontier usually have to dedicate some resources from other projects since they don't have the work force to cover it all. Some people stay on but others like the highly technical/senior developers would get moved in this case because they have the knowledge.
Not saying this is what frontier is doing but it's very common in this business for it to work like that
(EA) Maxis is a big no, well kind of.
They only speak of Sims releases for the current quarter.
And they don't exactly let it all out on day one of the quarter either. They do teaser trailers and nonsense like that.
As for what could be in the game later or what's a possibility, absolutely not (with very minor exceptions).
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Wrong, wrong again! Frontier are small they do not have resources you majestically give them. What you are talking about applies to the evil Atari and the greedy and arrogant EA.
Forgive me for hoping a software company with true integrity is out there! I can only speak for myself here, one of the reasons I bought the game as I had a vision of Frontier breaking away from convention on an open book policy with its community for unity. Philosophically we are one in the singularity which has been refracted about time we get back to our origins!
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Exactly. The greedy EA, look down at us from their ivory tower in a blase fashion and shallowly saying "These consumers, who are they again?"
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Forgive me for hoping a software company with true integrity is out there! I can only speak for myself here, one of the reasons I bought the game as I had a vision of Frontier breaking away from convention on an open book policy with its community for unity. Philosophically we are one in the singularity which has been refracted about time we get back to our origins!
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Exactly. The greedy EA, look down at us from their ivory tower in a blase fashion and shallowly saying "These consumers, who are they again?"
Atari are a large publishing company and they hire small development companies like nvissio to make games. Rctw's dev team was tiny if you look at the credits. I would say frontier are a medium sized company. The dev teams for each game are switched about depending on their needs and some teams work on all 3 games.
Oh my goodness we have finally agreed on something
This does not mean they are going to be slowing down or losing support for that game which you seem to be suggesting. It means the senior guys moved to other projects to help and others have more responsibility in keeping the game going
Did Elite dangerous stop getting developed/updated when they were developing PC? No that game is still going strong.
I admire your eternal optimism, I hope you are right with regard to their strategy, I suppose only time will tell. Meanwhile I have to sit back and wait for the anniversary as maybe I might of got this all wrong and have actually put the emphasis on bug fixes instead of glamour / design pieces
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This all depends on the fan club Elite has a big fan club and has been around for a long time, however not every game has the legacy success and some just have novelty lets hope that PC is not one of those just a fad it would be a pity as I love the concept the move away from Atari but I have this deep scepticism that it is business as usual and the passion is way down the priority chain, so again only time will tell!