This still makes me giggle.
Also the search for that video hilariously on topic led to dozens of "Sean Murray lies" videos.
Also the search for that video hilariously on topic led to dozens of "Sean Murray lies" videos.
Meanwhile, in a parallel universe where the sky belongs to no man...
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There are very similar videos for Elite Dangerous as well.
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The most entertaining bit was that on the game's cover, 'multiplayer' was covered with a 'single player' sticker.
Yeah those pre seeded planets to show off all the good stuff were a bad idea, It didn't take long to find planets looking similar, but they never looked as good (at least I didn't find any). I think NMS is defo an example of where the hype got WAY out of control. It was like a feedback loop, all the gaing websites were calling it the best game ever and I feel HG and SM felt they had to live up to it.
That makes me think MP was in the game but was canned last minute due to some reason.
This is from other thread which shouldn't be a place for serious discussion, so re-posting it here.
I think you also should look into these social concepts called "forgive and forget", and "redemption through actions not words". You might learn something. The above comment from @gorankar sums it up perfectly:
One nitpick though: if it was criminal, there would be ligitation, especially in the UK where they have this advertising board or whatever it is called and it can smack a company pretty badly for misleading advertising.
Also, <shocker> there are people not interested in multiplayer </shocker> and it wasn't that bad as the salt-fueled cancel-hungry lynch mob on the internet tries to paint it. Just to quote one of our Elite veterans:
Stop playing Elite then, there's no "big game hunting", there's no "stealing other people's ships", there's no "landing on atmospheric planets", there's no "flying in gas giants", there's no "offline mode", there's no "walking around ships" etc. etc.
I think you also should look into these social concepts called "forgive and forget", and "redemption through actions not words". You might learn something. The above comment from @gorankar sums it up perfectly:
One nitpick though: if it was criminal, there would be ligitation, especially in the UK where they have this advertising board or whatever it is called and it can smack a company pretty badly for misleading advertising.
Also, <shocker> there are people not interested in multiplayer </shocker> and it wasn't that bad as the salt-fueled cancel-hungry lynch mob on the internet tries to paint it. Just to quote one of our Elite veterans:
QFT.
Viajero
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That is still not an accurate comparison or a reasonable like for like I am afraid. FDEV has not even confirmed the date for release, nevermind sold most of those things to the market yet. FDEV has not taken anyone´s money for this; with the exception perhaps of some LEP owners that feel they should have it by now and offline mode, which was cancelled including public apologies and refunds acknowledged.
By contrast, the comment you are quoting is clearly referring to substantial and key content that was sold for a very specific release date but not delivered, and that Sean Murray lied about and cashed in about without any public cancellation announcement and no refunds offered.
Fully agree with you that Sean Murray continuing the development for free is a great way to apologize, but we need to remember that has been possible in grand part thanks to the cash obtained with those original lies in the first place. Eventhough it is not my case I can not blame anyone that in principle decides not to touch HG products based on that.
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Yeah this was kinda weird to me too - why such hype about NMS while ED, SE, EGS, etc all go unnoticed by the general public (relatively speaking). Even the hyped version wasn't "that" big of a deal IMO, as it was always a fantastical 1960s book cover version of space. Are there really that many people into retro sci fi?
Can you please stop spreading the lie that refunds were acknowledged? They were not. It implies that Frontier did OK by everyone, which is simply not the case.
If you had played the alpha (so everyone in the £200 and above bracket), you did not get a refund.
Alpha and beta existed long before they dropped the "no offline mode" bombshell, so there wasn't even a choice involved.
Viajero
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I am afraid it is not a lie. The fact is FDEV acknowledged refunds following public apologies for the cancellation of the offline mode.
And HG did not. Partial or otherwise. At all. Didnt even communicate any cancellations.
Now, few companies can be proud of doing ok "by everyone" and FDEV is not an exception. But that is an extremely high bar to pass that you are asking there. Some may say even impossible. There is no perfect or ideal company. And refunds of this kind are rarely a straightforward operation. Few companies are going to make it all too easy, and some degree of control can be arguably fair aswell as there may be also cases of abuse etc.
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Funny that I never received a refund then - neither did hundreds of others.
One of us is wrong.
Care to place bets who?
My initial recollection was that Frontier stated if you played over a certain amount of hours (online no less) then they would consider you ineligible for a refund. I could understand where they were coming from but could also see why people did not like the removal of offline mode.
However they then revised that stance and said they would work with people on a case to case basis as mentioned in this article https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...und-policy-following-no-offline-mode-backlash
However they then revised that stance and said they would work with people on a case to case basis as mentioned in this article https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...und-policy-following-no-offline-mode-backlash
Yes, I'm aware of the "case by case" revision.
It was bogus.
Those that went through the process of trying to communicate with them to resolve it got a tiny fraction back of what they had pledged on the understanding of the game being playable offline. When you have people pledging hundreds and even thousands, a £40 rebate is not what you would expect. Nor does it begin to cover what they did.
As for NMS not offering refunds - I assume everyone who didn't get one and was upset at the launch state of the game is happy with the game now? If not, I'm not sure what to say to them.
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Viajero
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lol, ok. Not much else to discuss then.
I think this is where all the cool kids write [citation needed]
Jebus anyone with HALF a brain knew that MP wasn't going to ship....gawds sakes.
Whenever I think of the "Sean Murray Lied" brigade I see an image of a load of apes flinging their poop and screaming.
It did exactly what it said on the tin for me:
Space flight and planetary exploration in a retro sci fi art style. Job done, well done HG and more kudos for adding more and more things to do.
Whenever I think of the "Sean Murray Lied" brigade I see an image of a load of apes flinging their poop and screaming.
It did exactly what it said on the tin for me:
Space flight and planetary exploration in a retro sci fi art style. Job done, well done HG and more kudos for adding more and more things to do.
Nope. You are simply wrong - and you should stop spreading wrongitudes. You don't even have to acknowledge you are wrong - just stop rewriting history & pretending that everything is OK.
Viajero
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Never said "everything is ok", just pointed to the fact that FDEV publicly apologized for a cancellation and acknowledged refunds, with all the customer, market and investor negative backlash that that entails. This can be very easily verified with a cursory search. By contrast HG did not. Partial refund or otherwise. At all. Didnt even communicate any cancellations.
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Regarding MP in NMS and Sean "lying" during pre-release interviews, I don't believe this narrative. I believe that HG was indeed working on multiplayer, as proven in the MP assets found in the release game files, but they couldn't pull it off in time for launch. It kinda reminds me of my atmospheric planet mod - it's close to being something believable, but the last 10% of getting it right is completely eluding me, so I've tabled that project for now.
Where Sean screwed up was hoping the 18 quintilian systems in NMS would prevent people from realizing that multiplayer wasn't enabled, so he did lie by omission after NMS was released. I also don't remember if he declared that people could see each other in the game after the game published. If he did, then that was a blatant lie, perhaps made in the hope that they could sneak in a patch to make it so before anyone could test it.
But now NMS has multiplayer far and beyond what was originally promised, while Braben's many promises remain unfulfilled all these years later.
Where Sean screwed up was hoping the 18 quintilian systems in NMS would prevent people from realizing that multiplayer wasn't enabled, so he did lie by omission after NMS was released. I also don't remember if he declared that people could see each other in the game after the game published. If he did, then that was a blatant lie, perhaps made in the hope that they could sneak in a patch to make it so before anyone could test it.
But now NMS has multiplayer far and beyond what was originally promised, while Braben's many promises remain unfulfilled all these years later.