Welcome to software development, we have tea & biscuits...but the last 10% of getting it right is completely eluding me
Welcome to software development, we have tea & biscuits...but the last 10% of getting it right is completely eluding me
If you want to believe fake news - go right ahead.
If you want to believe fake news - go right ahead.
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Sony hung him out to dry.
To be clear - I'm not comfortable with how either company handled things. I am not even remotely suggesting that HG are perfect or that Sean got everything right and Braben got everything wrong.
However, I won't let stand any notion that Frontier have any kind of halo over their heads regarding the launch, the Kickstarter, and all the aftermath of that. They most certainly do not. Ask any high level backer (including Liqua, who pledged £5000 to name Shinrarta Dezhra) and they will confirm.
"This isn’t about blaming the developers for dropping features – that happens to every game, it is entirely forgivable. We so fervently believe that programmers are magicians we sometimes forget they are fallible ones. But this is about calling developers and publishers out when any such “drops” aren’t adequately admitted before release. Later trailers for NMS did not show the giant sandworm, for instance, or low flights across the landscape, but this does not constitute “coming clean”. To admit that something has been stripped out, you have to explicitly say so, and you have to say it loudly.
There may be barriers to doing this, marketing teams to wrestle with, business and legal problems that get in the way, deadlines to meet. We often hear that there is a lot happening “under the surface” or “behind the scenes” at studios which prevent developers from being open about changes, features or other important news. But unless we know what these problems are, we can’t judge them to be a fair reason or a foul excuse. It’s the National Security fallacy. “I’m afraid I can’t tell you that but, trust me, there is a good reason why.”
So why are you so upset with Sean Murray? Are you just using him as a scapegoat to distract people from finding fault with David Braben?
this rockpapershotgun opinion piece at the time summarizes it well.
Thing is no-ones saying anything like "saviour of space games", it's like a right winger thinking everyone who disagrees with them is a "commie" or a left winger thinking everyone who disagrees with them is a "fascist". Just because some of us like NMS doesn't mean we think it's the best space game in the universe and SM is the messiah of space games!Yeah you got me. Posting the correct version of events with supporting links requires so much emotional attachment and is clearly some sort of psyops at work saving the saviour of space games...
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yup how on earth people think humans can live in peace when we squabble over petty stuff!!Mods vs Rockers, Oasis vs Blur, Directioners vs Beliebers, now this.
Not to belabor the point
but refunds were indeed acknowledged openly by FDEV and discussions about it, in the press and in forums, are easy to locate. There is very little fake about this. In those there are plenty of testimonials, both good and bad, but you will certainly find several of the ones from people that confirmed they got it. Here is one such example. I mean, we can try to actually ask those people to hand over their bank account passcodes and post their actual receipts just so to make sure 100% but that would put us over the tin foil hat spectrum I reckon. Speaking of which...
I think we can agree on that first line indeed. On the second one I think you are still strawmanning a bit since no one here has really tried to put a halo on anyone´s head.
Yet you continue to do it.![]()
I can't speak for other people.
On 'communication' though - perhaps you don't remember, but FDev's response to the offline poop storm on the forums was to ban any mention of the word on the forum.
You are ascribing virtues to Braben and Frontier which they don't deserve & don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. You are trying to whitewash history.
Thing is no-ones saying anything like "saviour of space games", it's like a right winger thinking everyone who disagrees with them is a "commie" or a left winger thinking everyone who disagrees with them is a "fascist". Just because some of us like NMS doesn't mean we think it's the best space game in the universe and SM is the messiah of space games!
Reasonable people can see the "hype" of NMS was flawed and the game has issues, yet not let it cloud our judgement and go OTT with hyperbolic accusations that should be reserved for those who truly do bad in the world.
General Options menu, disable auto torch. They snuck that one in with the February patch....Still needs an option to disable auto torch activation...
Well, you kept calling it "fake news". I just presented another fact that disproves that notion.
And yet you summarily dismissed the whole offline refunds notion as "fake news" or "bogus" outright.
The vehicle for refunds requests is not the forum though.
And communication went way beyond that in this case, including having the FDEV´s CEO explaining himself in several interviews, written press and video. Unlike HG´s CEO.
For example, HG statements about what the game (paid in pre sales and release sales) would have but then didnt can hardly be placed at the same level with statements about future content (giant atmospheres, big game hunting, atmospheric worlds etc) where FDEV did not even confirm the date for release, nevermind sold those things to the market at that time. Money did not exchange hands in the Elite case (with the exception perhaps of some LEP owners that feel they should have it by now). There is no caveat emptor shennanigans here, because those items were not even up for sale in the first place, unlike the NMS content.
I do think though, that these recurrent comparisons with HG promises would make more sense and have a bit more merit if for example the DDF had been actually used as a confirmed feature list for inclusion during development and at release or used as sales direct promotion vehicle, which it was not.
And then deny them refunds because they'd helped them test their game.
General Options menu, disable auto torch. They snuck that one in with the February patch.
Statements from the Liar In Chief do not translate to action - nor facts.
So he fire fought in the media to save face, and took flak for it - what a hero.![]()
Because it didn't actually happen.
Yep, but if FDev had done any of the things that they said they were planning to do with the game (I listed a few) it would undoubtedly have sweetened the deal a great deal more. That was Sean Murray's thinking, and that's why he carried on and completed the game.
Well, see... that's the thing. Up until that newsletter drop, that's indeed what everyone in the DDF thought was happening.
Then we all realised we'd been duped, and we were simply having a natter with some devs whilst they threw us a bone or two to design a completely different game.
Two developers that wanted to make space games and followed through, made mistakes and learnt from them. You can debate all day who is the most evil.
Anyway, I'm launching it now. Lets see if I can find my own wreck...![]()
That wasn't what I meant to imply. I was being asked why I was allegedly trying to protect David Braben (lol wut?) and so my use of hyperbole was to then call him the saviour of space games in jest. If my previous posts were whiteknighting then lets jump in the deep end
See this is what bothers me, and I'm not pointing fingers here. These "reasonable people" will all too often then act as though another game's flaws are the worst thing ever, let it cloud their judgement and go OTT with hyperbolic accusations. It's like, when they want to defend something they plea for reason but when they want to attack something all reason goes out the window...