Oh, I hope it does too... but I know it's never going to satisfy the wishes of those who think "emergent content" should be the order of the day for Elite Dangerous.
Make no mistake... they want it all. PPOO is just the cherry on top for them.
Modes Mega ships open only content?
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Oh, I hope it does too... but I know it's never going to satisfy the wishes of those who think "emergent content" should be the order of the day for Elite Dangerous.
Make no mistake... they want it all. PPOO is just the cherry on top for them.
May I correct what appears to be an inconsistency in your post? - if I misinterpreted accept my apology.
"I hope that OOPP does go ahead - but in a manner whereby OOPP Powerplay does not affect the BGS..."
As I read it, it sounded wrong.
Robert Maynard
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It would appear, from Sandro's perspective, that Powerplay is "uniquely" suited to such a change - the implication of his rather specific wording, coupled with his repeated statements regarding Powerplay being the only feature being considered for such a change, is that Powerplay is the only feature being considered for the change.
That will likely not satisfy those who cannot accept that the BGS is a game feature for all players, regardless of platform or mode. However, the language used to restate what the BGS is about, both in the stream and Will's OP in the recap thread, seem to be very clear on that point.
Robert Maynard
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Ah - I see now - however, "OOPP Powerplay" contains Powerplay twice, once in abbreviation. The second reference to Powerplay assumed that it was Open only at that point.
Sorry for the lack of clarity.
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Indeed. Which is why the "renewed" movement by T90's to continue his charade of trying to convolute issues, instead of keeping them where they belong.
Some simply won't be satisfied no matter what Frontier says (or does) which brings me back to the original reply I made regarding such players finding another "home" to belong to. Elite Dangerous was never meant to be the game they want, and it never will be. Somehow, they think with incessant foot-stomping and screaming it's going to magically turn into EVE-in-cockpits, but they're forgetting simple facts like the netcode (P2P) mechanics and those essential systems like the BGS which is core and central to every player that plays, regardless of mode, platform, playstyle, etc.
I said this years ago... if they can't have it all, they'll try and burn it all down to the ground. T90's language is pretty explicit in that regard.
Reminds me of a boyfriend who has been dumped and just can't get over it so he decides he's going to take her with him... because "if he can't have her, no one can!". Obsessive possession at its finest.
This guy hits the nail on the head they introduce Powerplay for PVPers and it gets Undermined in the background where nothing can be done about it
Can we at least agree that Fleet carriers should be multiplayer
Nope. But I'm sure you agree with yourself they should be... as some also do.
Can I ask why you think they shouldn't be?
Of course you can ask!
Doesn't mean I "have" to respond. But... I shall in this case... because it's pertinent to the subject matter.
Ok... ask yourself this one singular and particular question...
If I bought this game in the premise of playing ONLY Solo mode... why would Fleet Carriers matter?
Then answer your own original question. Then get back to me. Please do indeed take your time lad.
Robert Maynard
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There are two multi-player game modes - one of which can effectively be exactly the same as Solo (i.e. create a Private Group and invite nobody) - so limiting Fleet Carriers to multi-player would not stop players who prefer Solo from accessing them.
In summary, no - why *should* they be restricted to multi-player when doing so does not guarantee that the mode that the player selects is, actually, multi-player?
.... unless the suggestion is that they should be Open only - in which case it's a plain and simple "Nope" from me.
Players who prefer Open did not pay extra for the game - why then should content be limited to their preferred game mode at the expense of those who paid just the same for the game?
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Actually the quote was from 90s/WGFD. 6 months ago he was convinced that by the end of the year solo/player groups would be dead or on there way out. It doesnt look like it yet does it? The rant/reasoned argument (which ever way you look at it) came from a locked thread and I was unable to use the quoteing button. If you think that change is unlikely to happen (and based on the last four or five years statements by Frontier it looks like it wont change) then you need to find another game.
Sorry to have brought it up, it just seems to me ATM that anything that can be misinterpreted and manipulated to mean otherwise...
Regardless, my thanks for your kind remarks.
If you look at the most recent event (involving the Fuel Rats system) which started off as a bunch of people in private group, it ended up with a large part of the community joining together and having fun in whatever mode they preferred - open, PG or solo.
If the fight to keep the fuel rats system was only available in open mode, many would have missed out on the community fun this weekend as they don't enjoy/like PvP. I think the recent event in the Fuel Rats system just proves that Frontier's decision to have different modes was clever design even though a small group of people disagree.
The elephant in the room which open only advocates keep ignoring is that even with the different modes available emergent game play is possible and it allows everyone to have fun in the play style they prefer.
If the fight to keep the fuel rats system was only available in open mode, many would have missed out on the community fun this weekend as they don't enjoy/like PvP. I think the recent event in the Fuel Rats system just proves that Frontier's decision to have different modes was clever design even though a small group of people disagree.
The elephant in the room which open only advocates keep ignoring is that even with the different modes available emergent game play is possible and it allows everyone to have fun in the play style they prefer.
Best laugh I've had in ages. Thanks.
CMDRs in combat ships Vs unarmed traders or explorers and you called them "PvP experts".... wow that's funny
Maxed out combat ships will always have an advantage over multi-role ships. Which is why most players arguing for Open Only are flying combat ships.Hmm perhaps not so funny? In a forced Open only situation I wouldn't expect much unarmed traders and explorers at all. Not at least those halfway sane in their mind and then only temporary for a brief period at best.
And under the proviso that there is no power play exclusive content - just gameplay.
PP essentially being a layer on top of the BGS affected by it, but does not affect it.
Personally, I do not believe PP should be changed to OO though.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Correction.
A multirole ship can still survive and get to their destination. Something like a shield tank with a few banks and cargo racks underneath is more than you need for defesnes and enough time/ survivability to escape.
They cant however last in a 25 minute fight like the rest of the maxed out ships can.
But a multirole ship that has good defenses can escape. Even if they are grommed.
Skill does come into play though. And no matter how good you are. Sometimes you're just gonna die.
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Not explicitly - no.
Fleet carriers are not the same thing as mega ships and have been dropped for now. We will have to wait and see what FD decide to do (if anything) in 4.x (or later if ever) wrt Fleet Carriers.
