Modes Mega ships open only content?

[lenna]

You forget, our resident PvP'ers are omnipresent.
They play 24/7/365 on PC, XB1 and PS4 at the same time without food, sleep or bathroom breaks.
So the game has to be open only, otherwise they have nothing else to do.

Ohh… so they are really Thargoid simulacra/replicants/constructs/robots/androids and not humans after all.... If we were playing the X-Series games then I would compare your description with some form of Boron-based phenotype construct instead (minimum of 6 appendages, at least 3 eyes, with either a machine brain or multiple biological brains with some kind of shared memory centre so that each brain gets some rest time over the 24hr period).

It's not like there is a whole industry churning out games they could try, find something more to their tastes.

You mean like EvE, WoW, and the numerous PvP FPS and war based titles. Or even that game that has not even reached properly release yet - Star Citizen.

On a more serious (and on topic) note, I certainly hope FD retain their mode agnostic approach to ED and essentially do not seriously consider dancing with the Open-only ideas any more than they already have.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Ohh… so they are really Thargoid simulacra/replicants/constructs/robots/androids and not humans after all.... If we were playing the X-Series games then I would compare your description with some form of Boron-based phenotype construct instead.


You mean like EvE, WoW, and the numerous PvP FPS and war based titles. Or even that game that has not even reached proper release yet - Star Citizen.

On a more serious (and on topic) note, I certainly hope FD retain their mode agnostic approach to ED and essentially do not seriously consider dancing with the Open-only ideas.

Open only for specific parts of the game is the way to fix everything wrong with this game. including griefing.

Also, dont buy into everything that guy says. There are major player groups out there that operate 24/7 with members from all over the world. On every console.

We also have discord pings, I know people in EVE have even made phone calls and taken off work for big space battles.

I like how people use all the excuses they can muster up.

The lack of experience in the things you guys talk about and activities you arent involved in shows as you guys try to hold down the progression of the game.

Its really kind of disappointing people intentionally limit themselves after 4+ years while still calling people greifers in basic activities and saying things cant happen when they already do.

Just acknowledge the fact that "you dont want it, because you're not interested in it". Instead of giving every excuse in the book for it not to happen. Because those excuses are things that are already happening with this game. You guys never see it because you arent involved.

The reason people want Open Specific content, is to keep people honest. And to win or lose over the systems they are fighting for.(this also kills the botting problem, because they wont be able to sustain credits. if they combat log they can be detected and banned.)

Trust me, there is a very large amount of us PVPers that would rather be killing the right people, instead of the wrong ones.

People that are trying just as hard as us to win.

But given the option, even PVPers will take the efficient way out. And its not because of "playstyle".

 

[Robert Maynard]

Open only for specific parts of the game is the way to fix everything wrong with this game. including griefing.

Like in EvE or in Ultima Online (before the Felucca / Trammel split)?

But given the option, even PVPers will take the efficient way out. And its not because of "playstyle".

.... the PvE players don't fundamentally change their play-style when not engaging in PvP ('cos they don't PvP in the first place)....

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Like in EvE or in Ultima Online (before the Felucca / Trammel split)?



.... the PvE players don't fundamentally change their play-style when not engaging in PvP ('cos they don't PvP in the first place)....

If you're going after a player objective. Its PVP.

Its the reason people fight over systems for 10 months. If peoples rebuy was on the line. Wars would be much shorter, player factions could defend themselves from all sorts of attacks and powerplay wouldnt have failed.

Again, youd have to be involved to understand. And since you admittedly aren't?

Why do you continue to care about a topic you have no interest in?

Also the PVEers dont have to change their playstyle because they are already safe with naked ships and full maxed out cargo space. Its the OPEN PLAYERS that have to change their playstyle to keep up with the "PVEer(as you like to call them even thought they are attacking someones controlling faction) just to keep up. This is all about efficiency. Nothing to do with playstyle what so ever.

They can min max against one another without being stopped from the people they are attacking.

If you actually did any of these things, youd get it.

This is the last reply to you. Because you argue in circles for years without understanding the game because you decided to limit your experiences in multiple parts of the game.

Try playing it to its fullest extent. Then come back with some validation. Thanks.

 

[Robert Maynard]

If you're going after a player objective. Its PVP.

Its the reason people fight over systems for 10 months. If peoples rebuy was on the line. Wars would be much shorter, player factions could defend themselves from all sorts of attacks and powerplay wouldnt have failed.

Again, youd have to be involved to understand. And since you admittedly aren't?

Why do you continue to care about a topic you have no interest in?

Also the PVEers dont have to change their playstyle because they are already safe with naked ships and full maxed out cargo space. Its the PVPers that have to change their playstyle to keep up with the "PVEer(as you like to call them even thought they are attacking someones controlling faction) just to keep up. This is all about efficiency. Nothing to do with playstyle what so ever.

If you actually did any of these things, youd get it.

.... yet the BGS, with all of those objectives, is, has always been and has been recently re-affirmed as being for all players, regardless of platform or mode. Any "PvP" through the BGS is both indirect and asynchronous - arguably, it's the game itself and is indistinguishable from PvE in that regard (as one cannot identify any opponents).

I've no interest in "in the same instance" PvP - as I was reminded last night in Beta, in Open.

Being entirely optional, as it always has been in this game design, its up to players to choose whether to engage in PvP, or not - the game is not designed around PvP though.

 

[lenna]

Open only for specific parts of the game is the way to fix everything wrong with this game. including griefing.

Nope - false reasoning, GTA Online has Open Only content yet griefing still occurs in that.

 

[Jockey79]

Nope - false reasoning, GTA Online has Open Only content yet griefing still occurs in that.

Weird that, isn't it?

 

[Rat Catcher]

Nope - false reasoning, GTA Online has Open Only content yet griefing still occurs in that.

Perhaps 'our dad' should go there to show them how it should be played? It obviously concerns him/her/it that the game we play has content that can be influenced by players in any mode and that the BGS needs resetting every few weeks because if it isn't he'd be powerless...

There is a lot of talk of Open Only by a few posters that appears to totally disregard the information given by the game's developers, is this a forlorn hope that if they keep spouting the same misinformation that others may even start to believe it too?

I have only really started to take an interest in BGS since reading the PvP supporters bleating on about how PG/Solo 'hurts' them - but then those are the modes I play in almost exclusively

 

[Sylveria]

Open only for specific parts of the game is the way to fix everything wrong with this game. including griefing.

Prove it. Prove that "random murderhoboism" will stop with Open-only initiatives. I'll wait.

I'm sure everyone else will too. Don't worry, we're not going anywhere... you might, though. Especially X4, Star Citizen, or wherever else you might feel they will "listen" to you.

You simply can't prove it. All you can do is keep asserting that it will stop- and you know damned well it won't. You can't "control" other players and how they play- including random murderhobos who just seek pleasure at other people's misfortunes.

Your opinion is that the entire game should be about "player-based objectives" (AKA PvP) and it's just not set up that way.

By the way... we're all eagerly awaiting for you to "prove" how you can match the accomplishments of Mobius by creating that PvP PG of at least 20K players, too.

I can remind you of your boast, if you like.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Prove it. Prove that "random murderhoboism" will stop with Open-only initiatives. I'll wait.

I'm sure everyone else will too. Don't worry, we're not going anywhere... you might, though. Especially X4, Star Citizen, or wherever else you might feel they will "listen" to you.

You simply can't prove it. All you can do is keep asserting that it will stop- and you know damned well it won't. You can't "control" other players and how they play- including random murderhobos who just seek pleasure at other people's misfortunes.

Your opinion is that the entire game should be about "player-based objectives" (AKA PvP) and it's just not set up that way.

By the way... we're all eagerly awaiting for you to "prove" how you can match the accomplishments of Mobius by creating that PvP PG of at least 20K players, too.

I can remind you of your boast, if you like.

Giving PVP meaning will fix it by restricting content between groups of people fighting over objectives.

And if ya'll arent smart enough to use a mode while not playing for an objective. Then thats certainly on you if you feel griefed.

This is why we laugh at people that cry grief when they are powerplay aligned. Or in general for that matter.

Perhaps maybe this crazy guy knows what hes talking about and has for quite a while, hell there were people here long before me saying the same thing.

If you guys would learn the game. Maybe you would understand where everyone else was coming from.

o7 commanders.

 

[Asp Explorer]

If you guys would learn the game. Maybe you would understand where everyone else was coming from.

Please, in great and exacting detail, describe the game we need to learn

If it involves pew-pews and stuffs, then it's not the game I'm playing, and so have no need to learn it.

 

[Sylveria]

Giving PVP meaning will fix it by restricting content between groups of people fighting over objectives.

And if ya'll arent smart enough to use a mode while not playing for an objective. Then thats certainly on you if you feel griefed.

This is why we laugh at people that cry grief when they are powerplay aligned. Or in general for that matter.

Perhaps maybe this crazy guy knows what hes talking about and has for quite a while, hell there were people here long before me saying the same thing.

If you guys would learn the game. Maybe you would understand where everyone else was coming from.

o7 commanders.

Many players who play in Open aren't PowerPlay aligned, nor fighting over "player-based objectives" and still are randomly murdered for no reason other than "griefers are bored".

You keep asserting that "giving PvP meaning" will fix it, yet utterly fail to prove it and continue to just state nonsensically that "it all will change".

At this point, I'd trust your "word" about as much as I'd trust Orange-a-tan to suddenly change parties to Democrat. Again, prove it.

Perhaps if you'd "learn the game" (you know, as it currently exists... instead of demanding Frontier change it to suit your desires) you might actually start to understand just how minority your view really is and get on a bit better with the rest of the community. Or, you can continue to spout all over Reddit and everywhere else about how people who've played this game long before you did "know nothing" and that you're apparently the only one who knows anything.

Still waiting for you to prove your boast, too.

 

[Old Duck]

And if ya'll arent smart enough to use a mode while not playing for an objective.

I'm not smart enough to understand this sentence...

 

[Toumal]

I see there is one user keeping this thread alive with his forum PvP skills.

 

[K M Butler]

The concept of Open only needs to be permanently eradicated. No ifs ands buts or exceptions.

 

[Old Duck]

The concept of Open only needs to be permanently eradicated. No ifs ands buts or exceptions.

Ironically there is already too much Open-only content. The wing is Open-only (no ability to wing up with NPC ships), multicrew is Open-only (no ability to have NPC crew on our bridge assisting us with tasks), the ability to exchange o7's is Open-only... LOL.

Solo mode needs a lot more love before we give Open even more exclusive content!

 

[lenna]

The wing is Open-only (no ability to wing up with NPC ships)

multicrew is Open-only (no ability to have NPC crew on our bridge assisting us with tasks)

the ability to exchange o7's is Open-only... LOL.

Wrong on ALL counts wrt Open Only - Private Group also supports those features.

Only Solo technically does not support said features, but that is for obvious and irrelevant reasons.

 

[Jockey79]

The concept of Open only needs to be permanently eradicated. No ifs ands buts or exceptions.

Frontier tried. See my Sig for the information.
Which is why they've stopped coming to this topic, they said what they want and are fed up repeating it.

But some folks (not pointing fingers) are so dense, they make osmium look like aerographite.
And just won't be told their vision of the game does not align with Frontiers.

 

[Rat Catcher]

But some folks (not pointing fingers) are so dense, they make osmium look like aerographite.
And just won't be told their vision of the game does not align with Frontiers.

That's because Frontier has shared game knowledge only with that poster and no-one else

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Giving PVP meaning will fix it by restricting content between groups of people fighting over objectives.

And if ya'll arent smart enough to use a mode while not playing for an objective. Then thats certainly on you if you feel griefed.

This is why we laugh at people that cry grief when they are powerplay aligned. Or in general for that matter.

Perhaps maybe this crazy guy knows what hes talking about and has for quite a while, hell there were people here long before me saying the same thing.

If you guys would learn the game. Maybe you would understand where everyone else was coming from.

o7 commanders.

you promised to leave the game. Why are you still here? Neither solo/pg received any changes in Beyond with respect to the BGS/PP. That was your "trigger" to leave until they changed it.