That just means ENG's are ridiculously OP and they're an exploit in themselves. So in fact, you mean ENG needs fixing.
Mercs of Mikunn - 3 Year report: The Once Secret BGS mechanics and how to figure out exploits
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That just means ENG's are ridiculously OP and they're an exploit in themselves. So in fact, you mean ENG needs fixing.
I don't understand the implication here. Does the controlling faction take an influence hit every time you get scanned with illegal cargo or something?
That we know already, but for the sake of this thread it`d rather be endless reward activities like bounty hunting in RES sites.
MP is never going to change in ED. No matter what opinion anyone has on the game, it's way too ingrained for them to pick it all apart and then repackage it into 3 different modes with 3 different servers - sorry, make that 3 different modes for NINE different servers (PS4 and Xbox).
It is never going to happen and even if it did, like has been pointed out above, you can only fit a handful of people in an instance anyway .
Criminal activity in general affects influence. That includes smuggling. I can imagine quite a number of cheesy ways to game the system by brute force value dumping, but if Jane's point about recognition of criminal activity is true with being recorded "on scan" that would be a particularly lazy and cheesy way to do it.
_trent_
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It does, but currently getting a fine is -1 influence transaction regardless of the amount. ***Edit just to clarify: You only get one fine per load per faction, but you can return to the same station with another illegal load to get scanned and fined again, which will count as another negative transaction***
If the amount of influence was based on value, then a cutter full of stolen LTDs could have a huge negative effect on the controlling faction. Taking that cutter on a tour of stations owned by different factions could enable someone to lower the influence of multiple factions in a system to massively boost the influence of another. Also, cargo can be dropped from one player to other who could repeat that activity.
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It has been quite some time since I did any testing on this particular cheese. At the time and within the parameters of my testing it wasn't very successful.
Ah yes, it's like the funny parts of "income recognition". When do you record it? Point of sale? When goods and services are delivered? Criminal activity kinda has to be recognised too. Imo, it'd make sense to mark it up "1 point" once the deed is done - like committing a murder or selling illicit goods. Not so much on "discovery" (getting scanned and fined) - that could mean I can basically do a murder and then get me scanned for recording even more criminal activity - though it was just one deed.
But the point was rather a "what if" scenario that based influence with value based recognition and not incidents. If you just can carry around illicit goods in bulk and get huge fines, you can basically farm negative influence with no effort.
Doesn't really make sense to record crime on scan - I mean - that's how ppl find out about crime. Imo, the deed needs done and the goods vanish in the magic resource sink so they cannot be duplicated and used for the very same crime again.
Oh, I've only ever been scanned with illegal cargo once ever. I was under the impression that I would get fined again every time I got scanned with that cargo, which always made smuggling super unappealing to me (sometimes multiple cops scan you at once outside a station).
Sorry, I'm not trying to get off topic. Just trying to understand, because I thought you could be fined multiple times for the same load, and if that were the case then a value-based system wouldn't be any worse than the current one.
Nevermind, I see that you clarified that in your edit.
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heh and just to add another complexity, the distorted player economy which has allowed so many billionaires would enable cmdrs to rack up huuuuge fines with no difficulty.
thanks for clarification.
Ideally logging out and relogging to refresh the instance, like with turning in mined commodities?
Instance doesn't matter as best as I can tell, just the fact that you trade different commodities per trip rather than per tonnage.
Jane Turner
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We got the impression that the effect of fines was toned down at the same time as the effect of murder was halved - though I should add by measuring the amount of work we had to do to cournteract murders and fines logged in the system info rather than by testing ourselves. There was a time where a fine for assualt and bounty for murder counted each time. (and the negative effects were uncapped - that really was a grim time to be defending)
I think you have to persuade BGS players that this is a problem that needs to be repaired, first.
In fact there isn't one. Current system is not perfect but it is "good enough" and that is, well, enough. Unlike the 1t thing the transaction system is now difficult enough to be not really exploitable - yes you can have a greater impact by hauling back and forth four different commodities for an entire day, but you have to do that for an entire day, so is it really a problem?