More logical and coherent COHABITATION

[Pierrosaure]

I find the current cohabitation rather strange and illogical.
I find it quite strange that (for example) sauropods don't like each other. same observation for ceratopsians or stegosaurians.
On the other hand, I don't understand why the carnotaurus and the Albertosaurus could appreciate each other.

Some would say it makes sense because animals from the same family eat the same food and are therefore in competition.
I disagree with this argument.
First: because it is not always true (for example the brachiosaurus and the apatosaurus do not eat the same things).
Second: even if he eats the same things there is no reason for the animals to compete if the said food is present in abundance.
Third: Some of these dinosaurs were in reality contemporaneous with each other and cohabited with each other (I am thinking in particular of the sauropods of the morrisson formations, or certain cetatopsians such as Triceratops and Torosaurus which lived together.

I therefore imagined a cohabitation scheme based on different criteria which are:

Phylogenetic proximity (animals belong to the same family)

Geographical proximity (the animals lived on the same continent)

Temporal proximity (the animals lived at the same time)

the more the different dinosaurs are positive for these 3 criteria, the more likely they are to like each other, and vice versa.

so if 2 dinosaurs present:
+++ = they like each other
++- = they like each other OR are neutral
+-- = they are neutral OR don't like each other
--- = they don't like each other

This is the rule. however any right rule has exceptions, which can be logical or arbitrary (we will see that below).

Now if we follow this logic, here is the cohabitation that I propose (keep in mind that this is general, and that exceptions may exist):

herbivorous dinosaurs

Sauropods
like: other sauropods, stegosaurians, hadrosaurids.
like or neutral: ceratopsians, ankylosaurians, pachycephalosaurians, ornithomimids (more generally all other herbivores)
dislikes: large carnivores

Ceratopsians
like: other ceratopsians, ankylosaurians, pachycephalosaurians, ornithomimids, hadrosaurids.
like or neutral: sauropods
dislikes: stegosaurians and carnivores

Stegosaurians
like: other stegosaurians, sauropods, dryosaurus
like or neutal: hadrosaurids, (usually other herbivores)
dislikes: ceratopsians, ankylosaurids and carnivores

Ankylosaurids
Likes: other ankylosaurids, ceratopsians, hadrosaurids
likes or neutral: sauropods, other herbivores in general
Dislikes: Stegosaurians and carnivores.

Ornithomimids
likes: other ornithomimids, pachycephalosaurids
like or neutral: all herbivores
dislikes: carnivores

Pachycephalosaurids
likes: other pachycephalosaurids, ornithomimids
like or neutral: all herbivores
dislikes: carnivores

Exception: Dreadnoughtus does not like other sauropods of morisson.
it makes sense because it lived in the cretaceous in south america while morisson sauropods lived in north america in the jurassic.
Dreadnoughtus therefore has a relationship score of +-- with Morrison's sauropods.

Ptérosaurs :

Tapejara, Maaradactylus, Tropeognathus, Cearadactylus
likes: all of them
like or neutral: pteranodon and geosternbergia
dislikes: dimorphodon (ramphorynchidae in general)

Pteranodon and Geosternbergia

Likes: each of them (dimorphodon only for pteranodon (reference the JW movie))
like or neutral: Tapejara, Maaradactylus, Tropeognathus, Cearadactylus
dislikes: dimorphodon and ramphorynchidae in general

so you noticed the exception here for pteranodon and dimorphodon

Dimorphodon

likes: other ramphorinchidae (if added later), pteranodon (except in reference to the movie)
neutral or dislike: cretaceous pterodactylidae

marine reptiles

Plesiosaurs
Likes: other plesiosaurs, ichthyosaurs
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: predatory marine reptiles (pliosaurs and mosasaurs)

ichthyiosaurs
Likes: other ichthyiosaurs, plesiosaurs
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: predatory marine reptiles (pliosaurs and mosasaurs)

Pliosaurs
Likes: person in particular
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: mosasaurs

Mosasaurs
Likes: person in particular
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: Pliosaurs

carnivorous dinosaurs

most carnivores do not like each other and avoid each other. we can note a few particularities:

carnivores from the same family can like each other or be neutral.

Tyrannosaurids and Abelisaurids do not like each other (therefore no possible cohabitation between albertosaurus and carnotaurus)

Spinosaurus, suchomimus and carcharodontosaurus are appreciated because they do not compete and were contemporaries.

Carnivorous Hybrides

hate everyone, hate each other, and everyone hates them.



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Inter-species interaction and symbiosis (between compsognathus and medium/large carnivores)

when I came across this image on the internet I had an idea : I think it might be a great idea to add this kind of interaction between very small carnivores (compys or coelophysis) and medium / large carnivores. And with concrete consequences on animals: When the big carnivore lies down to...

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new gene idea: regeneration (axolotl gene)

the use of the axolotl gene would allow animals which are provided with it to regenerate and heal on their own from serious injuries such as severe fractures, internal bleeding, concussion and all injuries requiring transporting the animal to the paleo medical center . On the other hand, this...

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[Mjmannella]

I think part of the reason why the armoured herbivores and sauropods dislike related animals is an element of game balance. It's to prevent players from having an enclosure that's just all sauropods or all Stegosaurs.

Also, I don't see why related taxon should like each other. Especially when they'd be direct competitors.

 

[Pierrosaure]

I think part of the reason why the armoured herbivores and sauropods dislike related animals is an element of game balance. It's to prevent players from having an enclosure that's just all sauropods or all Stegosaurs.

Also, I don't see why related taxon should like each other. Especially when they'd be direct competitors.

as I explained, these related taxon are not necessarily in competition. since we have proof that most of them lived in the same place at the same time, therefore cohabited.
We know by fossils that many species of stegosaurus have cohabited with each other. the same for many ceratopsians
The advantage of this cohabitation system is also to be able to recreate realistic environments in the enclosures.
when species are in competition, it generally ends with the extinction of one of its species. And that was not the case with morisson sauropods, to cite this example.

 

[Mjmannella]

as I explained, these related taxon are not necessarily in competition. since we have proof that most of them lived in the same place at the same time, therefore cohabited.
We know by fossils that many species of stegosaurus have cohabited with each other. the same for many ceratopsians
The advantage of this cohabitation system is also to be able to recreate realistic environments in the enclosures.
when species are in competition, it generally ends with the extinction of one of its species. And that was not the case with morisson sauropods, to cite this example.

If they share a Formation then yeah I think it's fine. What I disagree with is the rule of thumb being all of them being compatible with each other. Compatibility based on formation should be the exception, not the norm.

 

[Pierrosaure]

If they share a Formation then yeah I think it's fine. What I disagree with is the rule of thumb being all of them being compatible with each other. Compatibility based on formation should be the exception, not the norm.

I do not agree.
I can conceive that dinosaurs of the same taxa could be neutral towards each other in the worst case. the antagonisms being exceptions.
because once again: many of these anime have coexisted in reality.
the fact that a brachiosaurus, a diplodocus and a camarasaurus do not like each other is for me an aberration.

 

[Mjmannella]

And I you argue that should be the exception, not the norm. On the contrary, I think Brachiosaurus and Mamenchisaurus would have occupied too similar of niches where they could sufficiently partition. Same with Most armoured Ornithischian combinations.

 

[Pierrosaure]

it is not for nothing that I take into account the geographical remoteness in my system.
the idea and not having to deal with each species of dinosaurs on a case-by-case basis. but to generalize to facilitate the work of the developer. I think that calibrating the cohabitation of each dinosaur according to its original geological formation would take too much time and energy from the developers.
what I propose is a simplification of reality, to make it applicable to gameplay.
Don't get me wrong: I agree with you, but you have to think of a simplification for the gameplay.
And currently the game has a LOT of species of the same family, and which have been contemporary.
So it's easier to use my method
I agree with your argument, but not in the context of gameplay.

 

[Mjmannella]

If you're arguing in terms of gameplay, a lot of the habitation preferences seem to be tailored around paddock balance. It seems rather obvious that the mechanics prevent the player from packing multiple sauropod species together like sardines in order to get easy star ratings. It encourages players to make more strategic exhibit pairings, else they risk discomfort-caused breakouts.

 

[Pierrosaure]

for the ankylosaurids alone, we already have at least 3 contemporary species.
2 and 3 for stegosaurids.
4 for auropods and also 4 for ceratopsians.

personally I find it extremely frustrating not to be able to recreate the formation of morisson in the same enclosure or north america during the upper cretaceous (example tow medicin or at least some things that look like it)

 

[Pierrosaure]

I know that I am going to seem to contradict myself.
but I find this gameplay mechanic far too arcady, and absolutely unrealistic.
The problem with the dinosaurs in this game is that they are truly designed TO be confined in enclosures. They would be best if they were coded to be free in an ecosystem, and the player locked them away.
this is precisely what I am trying to suggest.
(with that but with other things too)

 

[Pierrosaure]

If you're arguing in terms of gameplay, a lot of the habitation preferences seem to be tailored around paddock balance. It seems rather obvious that the mechanics prevent the player from packing multiple sauropod species together like sardines in order to get easy star ratings. It encourages players to make more strategic exhibit pairings, else they risk discomfort-caused breakouts.

I find this gameplay logic too simplistic

 

[Mosek]

I find the current cohabitation rather strange and illogical.
I find it quite strange that (for example) sauropods don't like each other. same observation for ceratopsians or stegosaurians.
On the other hand, I don't understand why the carnotaurus and the Albertosaurus could appreciate each other.

Some would say it makes sense because animals from the same family eat the same food and are therefore in competition.
I disagree with this argument.
First: because it is not always true (for example the brachiosaurus and the apatosaurus do not eat the same things).
Second: even if he eats the same things there is no reason for the animals to compete if the said food is present in abundance.
Third: Some of these dinosaurs were in reality contemporaneous with each other and cohabited with each other (I am thinking in particular of the sauropods of the morrisson formations, or certain cetatopsians such as Triceratops and Torosaurus which lived together.

I therefore imagined a cohabitation scheme based on different criteria which are:

Phylogenetic proximity (animals belong to the same family)

Geographical proximity (the animals lived on the same continent)

Temporal proximity (the animals lived at the same time)

the more the different dinosaurs are positive for these 3 criteria, the more likely they are to like each other, and vice versa.

so if 2 dinosaurs present:
+++ = they like each other
++- = they like each other OR are neutral
+-- = they are neutral OR don't like each other
--- = they don't like each other

This is the rule. however any right rule has exceptions, which can be logical or arbitrary (we will see that below).

Now if we follow this logic, here is the cohabitation that I propose (keep in mind that this is general, and that exceptions may exist):

herbivorous dinosaurs

Sauropods
like: other sauropods, stegosaurians, hadrosaurids.
like or neutral: ceratopsians, ankylosaurians, pachycephalosaurians, ornithomimids (more generally all other herbivores)
dislikes: large carnivores

Ceratopsians
like: other ceratopsians, ankylosaurians, pachycephalosaurians, ornithomimids, hadrosaurids.
like or neutral: sauropods
dislikes: stegosaurians and carnivores

Stegosaurians
like: other stegosaurians, sauropods, dryosaurus
like or neutal: hadrosaurids, (usually other herbivores)
dislikes: ceratopsians, ankylosaurids and carnivores

Ankylosaurids
Likes: other ankylosaurids, ceratopsians, hadrosaurids
likes or neutral: sauropods, other herbivores in general
Dislikes: Stegosaurians and carnivores.

Ornithomimids
likes: other ornithomimids, pachycephalosaurids
like or neutral: all herbivores
dislikes: carnivores

Pachycephalosaurids
likes: other pachycephalosaurids, ornithomimids
like or neutral: all herbivores
dislikes: carnivores

Exception: Dreadnoughtus does not like other sauropods of morisson.
it makes sense because it lived in the cretaceous in south america while morisson sauropods lived in north america in the jurassic.
Dreadnoughtus therefore has a relationship score of +-- with Morrison's sauropods.

Ptérosaurs :

Tapejara, Maaradactylus, Tropeognathus, Cearadactylus
likes: all of them
like or neutral: pteranodon and geosternbergia
dislikes: dimorphodon (ramphorynchidae in general)

Pteranodon and Geosternbergia

Likes: each of them (dimorphodon only for pteranodon (reference the JW movie))
like or neutral: Tapejara, Maaradactylus, Tropeognathus, Cearadactylus
dislikes: dimorphodon and ramphorynchidae in general

so you noticed the exception here for pteranodon and dimorphodon

Dimorphodon

likes: other ramphorinchidae (if added later), pteranodon (except in reference to the movie)
neutral or dislike: cretaceous pterodactylidae

marine reptiles

Plesiosaurs
Likes: other plesiosaurs, ichthyosaurs
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: predatory marine reptiles (pliosaurs and mosasaurs)

ichthyiosaurs
Likes: other ichthyiosaurs, plesiosaurs
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: predatory marine reptiles (pliosaurs and mosasaurs)

Pliosaurs
Likes: person in particular
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: mosasaurs

Mosasaurs
Likes: person in particular
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: Pliosaurs

carnivorous dinosaurs

most carnivores do not like each other and avoid each other. we can note a few particularities:

carnivores from the same family can like each other or be neutral.

Tyrannosaurids and Abelisaurids do not like each other (therefore no possible cohabitation between albertosaurus and carnotaurus)

Spinosaurus, suchomimus and carcharodontosaurus are appreciated because they do not compete and were contemporaries.

Carnivorous Hybrides

hate everyone, hate each other, and everyone hates them.



.............................................................................................................................................................

Inter-species interaction and symbiosis (between compsognathus and medium/large carnivores)

when I came across this image on the internet I had an idea : I think it might be a great idea to add this kind of interaction between very small carnivores (compys or coelophysis) and medium / large carnivores. And with concrete consequences on animals: When the big carnivore lies down to...

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new gene idea: regeneration (axolotl gene)

the use of the axolotl gene would allow animals which are provided with it to regenerate and heal on their own from serious injuries such as severe fractures, internal bleeding, concussion and all injuries requiring transporting the animal to the paleo medical center . On the other hand, this...

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I expect indominus rex being friends with velociraptor and could be alpha of them

 

[Locknight500]

I find the current cohabitation rather strange and illogical.
I find it quite strange that (for example) sauropods don't like each other. same observation for ceratopsians or stegosaurians.
On the other hand, I don't understand why the carnotaurus and the Albertosaurus could appreciate each other.

Some would say it makes sense because animals from the same family eat the same food and are therefore in competition.
I disagree with this argument.
First: because it is not always true (for example the brachiosaurus and the apatosaurus do not eat the same things).
Second: even if he eats the same things there is no reason for the animals to compete if the said food is present in abundance.
Third: Some of these dinosaurs were in reality contemporaneous with each other and cohabited with each other (I am thinking in particular of the sauropods of the morrisson formations, or certain cetatopsians such as Triceratops and Torosaurus which lived together.

I therefore imagined a cohabitation scheme based on different criteria which are:

Phylogenetic proximity (animals belong to the same family)

Geographical proximity (the animals lived on the same continent)

Temporal proximity (the animals lived at the same time)

the more the different dinosaurs are positive for these 3 criteria, the more likely they are to like each other, and vice versa.

so if 2 dinosaurs present:
+++ = they like each other
++- = they like each other OR are neutral
+-- = they are neutral OR don't like each other
--- = they don't like each other

This is the rule. however any right rule has exceptions, which can be logical or arbitrary (we will see that below).

Now if we follow this logic, here is the cohabitation that I propose (keep in mind that this is general, and that exceptions may exist):

herbivorous dinosaurs

Sauropods
like: other sauropods, stegosaurians, hadrosaurids.
like or neutral: ceratopsians, ankylosaurians, pachycephalosaurians, ornithomimids (more generally all other herbivores)
dislikes: large carnivores

Ceratopsians
like: other ceratopsians, ankylosaurians, pachycephalosaurians, ornithomimids, hadrosaurids.
like or neutral: sauropods
dislikes: stegosaurians and carnivores

Stegosaurians
like: other stegosaurians, sauropods, dryosaurus
like or neutal: hadrosaurids, (usually other herbivores)
dislikes: ceratopsians, ankylosaurids and carnivores

Ankylosaurids
Likes: other ankylosaurids, ceratopsians, hadrosaurids
likes or neutral: sauropods, other herbivores in general
Dislikes: Stegosaurians and carnivores.

Ornithomimids
likes: other ornithomimids, pachycephalosaurids
like or neutral: all herbivores
dislikes: carnivores

Pachycephalosaurids
likes: other pachycephalosaurids, ornithomimids
like or neutral: all herbivores
dislikes: carnivores

Exception: Dreadnoughtus does not like other sauropods of morisson.
it makes sense because it lived in the cretaceous in south america while morisson sauropods lived in north america in the jurassic.
Dreadnoughtus therefore has a relationship score of +-- with Morrison's sauropods.

Ptérosaurs :

Tapejara, Maaradactylus, Tropeognathus, Cearadactylus
likes: all of them
like or neutral: pteranodon and geosternbergia
dislikes: dimorphodon (ramphorynchidae in general)

Pteranodon and Geosternbergia

Likes: each of them (dimorphodon only for pteranodon (reference the JW movie))
like or neutral: Tapejara, Maaradactylus, Tropeognathus, Cearadactylus
dislikes: dimorphodon and ramphorynchidae in general

so you noticed the exception here for pteranodon and dimorphodon

Dimorphodon

likes: other ramphorinchidae (if added later), pteranodon (except in reference to the movie)
neutral or dislike: cretaceous pterodactylidae

marine reptiles

Plesiosaurs
Likes: other plesiosaurs, ichthyosaurs
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: predatory marine reptiles (pliosaurs and mosasaurs)

ichthyiosaurs
Likes: other ichthyiosaurs, plesiosaurs
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: predatory marine reptiles (pliosaurs and mosasaurs)

Pliosaurs
Likes: person in particular
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: mosasaurs

Mosasaurs
Likes: person in particular
like or neutral: other marine reptiles
dislikes: Pliosaurs

carnivorous dinosaurs

most carnivores do not like each other and avoid each other. we can note a few particularities:

carnivores from the same family can like each other or be neutral.

Tyrannosaurids and Abelisaurids do not like each other (therefore no possible cohabitation between albertosaurus and carnotaurus)

Spinosaurus, suchomimus and carcharodontosaurus are appreciated because they do not compete and were contemporaries.

Carnivorous Hybrides

hate everyone, hate each other, and everyone hates them.



.............................................................................................................................................................

Inter-species interaction and symbiosis (between compsognathus and medium/large carnivores)

when I came across this image on the internet I had an idea : I think it might be a great idea to add this kind of interaction between very small carnivores (compys or coelophysis) and medium / large carnivores. And with concrete consequences on animals: When the big carnivore lies down to...

forums.frontier.co.uk

new gene idea: regeneration (axolotl gene)

the use of the axolotl gene would allow animals which are provided with it to regenerate and heal on their own from serious injuries such as severe fractures, internal bleeding, concussion and all injuries requiring transporting the animal to the paleo medical center . On the other hand, this...

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What about cohabitation between certain carnivores and herbivores where they don’t kill each other?

 

[Pierrosaure]

What about cohabitation between certain carnivores and herbivores where they don’t kill each other?

can you develop your question?

 

[Locknight500]

can you develop your question?

Make a question? Shouldn’t there be cohabitation between certain carnivores and herbivores and they don’t kill each other

 

[Pierrosaure]

Make a question? Shouldn’t there be cohabitation between certain carnivores and herbivores and they don’t kill each other

Suggestion of realistic and dynamic hunting system (easy to do)

Ok, let's start from an observation: Dinosaur AI since the launch of the first game hasn't changed much, it's still mediocre. the changes made in the second are, for the moment, almost insignificant, especially concerning hunting. Hunting is the biggest weak point of dinosaur AI: carnivores win...

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I answer that in this thread. In the "food priority" section

 

[Mjmannella]

I think Locknight means having herbivores like more carnivores than Compsognathus