More testing required: exobio payouts on carriers

I went to test on my carrier whether the -25% payout penalty for selling to Vista Genomics on fleet carriers is applied to the exobio rank progression, and found something unexpected: it doesn't seem to be applied at all. Nor did the carrier receive any credits from the sales. Mind you, this happened when I was selling to my carrier, so I'd like to see if the same thing happens when you sell samples on someone else's carrier too.
So, here's my request: could others try selling to Vista Genomics on someone else's carrier please, and note down payouts and rank progression? Especially since there was a small error in payout when first logging bonuses were involved, but the difference was only -0.05%, not -25%.


Here are the details of how my testing went:

First off, I started with a character with zero prior exobiology sales. I gathered 1,525,700 Cr of data from four species (Aleoida Gravis, Clypeus Lacrimam, Stratum Paleas, Tussock Triticum), making sure that I wouldn't get the first logged bonus for these. With the supposed -25% carrier payout penalty, this should have given me 1,144,275 Cr: instead, it gave the standard 1,525,700 Cr, and I got the Mostly Directionless promotion as well. (That one's at 1,500,000 Cr, so if the penalty applied to rank progression, I wouldn't have gotten it.)
Unfortunately, I forgot to note down the carrier balance at this part.

Second, I gathered samples from undiscovered planets: namely, 913,100 Cr from three species (Electricae Radialem, Tubus Conifer, Tussock Serrati), and made sure that this time I did get the first logged bonus. The sale screen payout listed the 1,826,200 Cr value, so there was no penalty applied there: however, oddly enough, my actual credit balance only changed by 1,825,292 Cr. That's -908 Cr though, while a supposed -25% would have been -456,550 Cr instead.
As for rank progression, I went from 0% Mostly Directionless to 49% Mostly Directionless, which means there was no penalty to rank progression either.
The carrier's balance stayed the same, so zero credits there.


So, there we go. When I was selling exobio data on my own carrier, there was no -25% penalty, and the carrier didn't receive any cut from the sale either. When first logging bonuses were involved, there was a tiny decrease on my balance than what was displayed(!) on the sale screen, but the difference was much smaller than it should have been.
 
And what did your journal say?
Oh yes, I forgot to mention that: the journals logged the standard values, for both payouts and bonuses. The only way I noticed the slight discrepancy (nine hundred credits missing) was because I noted down my credit balances before and after the sales. But now it occurs to me that I should check the Codex stats too, so let's see... yep, same there.
I wonder if this slight error could be reproduced, or if it was perhaps me making a typo. Either way, I'm more interested in the carrier penalty instead - to be precise, the apparent lack of it.
 
Could be a typo like you said, but also the game wasn't exactly stable showing credits in the past.
I guess you didn't relog before and after selling? That way you could use your statistics event to figure out your real gain.
(Also I'm on my way to refit my carrier, so I might be able to help with you request later next week.)
 
Could be a typo like you said, but also the game wasn't exactly stable showing credits in the past.
I guess you didn't relog before and after selling? That way you could use your statistics event to figure out your real gain.
Oh, I forgot about the event, but I did relog (to see if the rank progression was accurate), so I could check that again. Turns out I didn't make a typo then: my credit balance went up by 1,825,292 Cr, but the displayed and logged payout was 1,826,200 Cr.
Anyway, I'll keep an eye on this to see if it happens again, but if it doesn't, maybe something just got stuck updating. The lack of the -25% penalty seems more interesting.

Just sold some exo on an alt's FC and the amount offered was the same as at a nearby Starport, and the FC's balance was not changed afterwards, so no 25% to the FC.
I think it's supposed to be like UC is on carriers, where 12.5% goes to the FC, and 12.5% just vanishes. At least, I vaguely recall FD saying this on a stream, but I'd rather not search for that now.
Just to make sure though: do you mean that you sold exo on an alt's FC with your main CMDR (so, different characters), or did you sell it on an alt's FC with the same alt account?
 
FYI We have over 100 CMDRs on our expedition, and while the number doing exobiology is quite a bit less than this, everyone has been getting the same payouts as on a station. The bonuses are also the same. If you'd like us to do some testing, let me know. Also feel free to join our discord to discuss if you want. o7
 
Thanks, and it seems by now that we can conclude this is happening. The lack of the penalty is there, and that's what matters. I haven't been able to reproduce that one-time credit "loss" that I wrote about, so it might have been some weird hiccup.
So I guess the only question now is when (or if) Frontier will fix this.
 
Oh damn, i was planning on buying a vista genomics for my carrier at some point, but if it doesn't make any money for the carrier owner then that would be really upsetting for how expensive it is. Does anyone know if this has been fixed yet?
 
Nope, it hasn't, and after the buffed exobiology payouts, it sure doesn't look like it will. If carrier VG worked the same as carrier UC, it would be a money cannon for carrier owners.

That said, if you are heading out with your carrier and will be selling your own samples, you will cover the 150 million Cr purchase cost quite quickly, and the 1.5 million weekly upkeep will be trivial.
 
Oh damn, i was planning on buying a vista genomics for my carrier at some point, but if it doesn't make any money for the carrier owner then that would be really upsetting for how expensive it is. Does anyone know if this has been fixed yet?

It was always intended to be that way, they said that when Vista Genomics first came out for Carriers.
 
It was always intended to be that way, they said that when Vista Genomics first came out for Carriers.
but that doesnt make sense though, the ingame discription for vista genomics mentions the exact same thing as the universal cartographic:
"This service places a charge on all catalogued data".
 
but that doesnt make sense though, the ingame discription for vista genomics mentions the exact same thing as the universal cartographic:
"This service places a charge on all catalogued data".

And yet is was stated by FDEV on release that the Vista Genomics for carriers would not work like UC for carriers, there would be no automatic deduction paid the to the carrier owner.
 
Was it? What I remember was that they mentioned on a stream that carrier VG will take a cut, just like UC does. It doesn't look like this was mentioned anywhere outside of videos though (or I just can't find it), so what we have left is the in-game line.
Not that it matters though. For the reasons above, I don't think Frontier's going to change things.
 
well if this is a confirmed issue that actually still exists, we should just make a issue tracker post and all upvote it. i got VG on my carrier today, tho I'm out doing thargoid stuff. Once I can confirm it to be sure, ill definitely make a tracker for it
 

From what I can recall of everything that was said it was never said that carriers would get a cut and that Vista Genomics would not work the same way as UC but the same as VG in stations. I guess we also need to remember that the steam was probably a while before the release and stuff said on the stream may not be the same as when released, things change, but I don't recall that from the stream myself and I did the alpha and everything.
 
Just tested actual payout of exobiology on my own fleet carrier. All payouts showed the same as they would at a station, BUT the actual money deposited into my account was -20%. This is as of May 2024. Lost 180 mil, but didn't have to travel back to bubble to get paid.
 
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