My first 2h open play after 100h solo

[alexios]

I've been playing in Open since it got stable enough during Premium Beta (so before Beta, Gamma or 1.0). I've never had a single negative experience with a human commander and I've been in very populated systems flying pretty much everything up to Type 6s loaded with gold.

And trust me, I'm not that lucky at all.

 

[QziQza]

That assumes that your only goal in the game is to make money, and the only enjoyment you gain while playing is from making money.

There are people who gain enjoyment from more than simply increasing the numerical value on an in-game counter. They enjoy putting themselves in a more challenging environment, and they enjoy the lack of predictability that comes from interacting with real people instead of (at this time pretty simplistic) code routines.

These players are not 'irrational' or making 'irrational decisions'. They are perfectly rational, and making perfectly rational decisions based on what they find enjoyable about the game.

Just because someone has a different opinion to you does not automatically make them crazy.

that also counts for those that wish to play or trade in solo, or those that wish to dip feet in both worlds. what is crazy, is how hostile or defamatory some folks get towards players who dont do as they do. this whole easy mode vs open mode, or solo mode vs griefer mode argument seems pretty pointless and unproductive. Its like saying peanut butter is better, worse, easier to eat, harder to eat than marmite.. its all a matter of taste. People will of course play the way they want too, and while it is understandable that players can become disillusioned, disinterested or just plain detest what is on the other side of the fence, it is really quite ignorant, arrogant or straight up mean for someone to slate or insult a player for that choice.

Actually that was probably a bad example, everyone knows that Peanut butter > Marmite

 

[Tas Devil]

I played ~100h solo and had amazing fun. I loved it. Amazing game. Yesterday i started playing open, because everyone said it's much more fun. I had two "encounters" with players.

1. I was bounty hunting at nav point. There was another cmdr, had no bounty on him, i greeted, let him chase his targets. He on the other had had big fun killing mine. Well, it's valid. But no fun.

2. I was in my A grade type 6, had collected 80t of rares in 2h. Just left the station, aligned with the jumppoint, then a sound of engines boosting, big face of an ASP rushing towards me, boom. 80t rares gone, 2h gone, 250kCr insurance gone, 100kCr uncollected bounties, gone, fun gone, amazing feeling about this game gone.


I'm not going to play open anymore. Sad, because NPC are lame and generic. When it comes to NPC Elite means nothing, they are all easy kills with a nice viper. But some cmdrs are obviously stupid children seeking the GTA experience. Damn.

A Cry River Me.

Go back to solo and have amazing fun alone.

 

[ermtony]

Its like saying peanut butter is better, worse, easier to eat, harder to eat than marmite.. its all a matter of taste. People will of course play the way they want too, and while it is understandable that players can become disillusioned, disinterested or just plain detest what is on the other side of the fence, it is really quite ignorant, arrogant or straight up mean for someone to slate or insult a player for that choice.

Actually that was probably a bad example, everyone knows that Peanut butter > Marmite

Now that's fighting talk!

Actually I like both... Probably accounts for the way I like to play ED.

 

[Sunleader]

Are you Kidding me ????
This Forum tells me I used some word or Phrase which is Forbidden even when trying to submit an Empty Post ????

edit:

I think one you guys has an Name which is Forbidden to use.
Each time I quote certain People I cant submit the post lol.....





Also.

Sorry guys.
But there is no Fun in taking uneccessary Risk.
Part of your Job as Commander is to get the Job done.

If you risk that while having absolutely no benefit from it then you FAIL as Commander!!!


Your supposed to make the best Decisions to deliver your Cargo.
Risking it in Open is the worst decision you can make.....



edit2:


Also guys.

In German theres Soldier send to Afgahnistan.
Know what ? They get extra pay despite doing same work as the Soldiers in other Areas.

Why ?
because its more dangerous there.

You think any of the Soldiers on the German Border would Complain that an Soldier in Afgahnistan gets extra Pay ?


Cause thats what the Solo Guys complain about here guys,....

 

[Hermit]

Are you Kidding me ????
This Forum tells me I used some word or Phrase which is Forbidden even when trying to submit an Empty Post ????

On here, you're guilty of thought crimes

 

[Monk]

The only time I've encountered wonky CMDR behavior was during the pre-Gamma free for all. Everyone was just flying around like there was no tomorrow...which, for our ingame characters, it really was. I got ganked, rammed and harassed to no end and I enjoyed ever second of it.

Ever since then, nothing, nada. Everyone is going along being the boring and careful selves. I welcome the moment a CMDR crosses me the wrong way. I've got enough creds for a good ole payback rampage

 

[QziQza]

Now that's fighting talk!

Actually I like both... Probably accounts for the way I like to play ED.

Now that would be an interesting and somewhat amusing poll to run

Marmite vs Peanut Butter.. relative to.. Open vs Solo

with like both vs dislike both as a control

And maybe more productive than the usual stream of derisive rhetoric lol


*im actually feeling rather proud of myself, my usual reaction to likers of marmite is far worse than my reaction to being obliterated. after all, i can understand getting obliterated

 

[Sysmon]

I never really left Open, been playing since we were able to. Yeah the beginning was a bit odd but we weren't there to progress anything. And after things opened up in late Gamma and the Premium Beta and Beta iterations I stayed in Open as it is, you know, hard to test multiplayer aspects in a single-player mode, even if it is single-player online. Most CMDR behave, although many fly a bit recklessly through the station mail slots. And I've been shot at but when I'm hauling goods or on missions I don't hang around for fights I'm uncertain whether I can win.

Popped into Solo mode at times if stations were too busy in Open. However as I spend a lot of time exploring, it might actually be fun to see a CMDR out there far away from populated space.

S

 

[DAYLEET]

OP has two bad experience and says...

fun gone, amazing feeling about this game gone.

I'm not going to play open anymore. Sad

1) Next time feel free to help others get their target, its probably going to be more exciting to try and get that kill.

2) Well you have been very lucky my friend, i only play open since gamma and ive only had NPCS bump me or cut me in crazy ways right at the entrance of the station. I often enter station in all sort of dangerous stunts now because its more fun and you better have a shield or you might learn a lesson(no one had to so far).

 

[Daffan]

In this game

PVP, PVE, Trading, Combat, Solo play, Open Play are all so unbalanced it's like Multiplayer was a complete afterthought. Just look at X3, a singleplayer game with depth but noone plays because people cant psuedo-affect other people, even tho in Elite it really is the same pseudo effect.

Just look at the trading in open dilemma. Proof that there was no real thought into the whole solo/open trading/combat mix.

 

[Jarn]

Just look at X3, a singleplayer game with depth but noone plays

Based on what? No one plays X3: because its a terrible game, but AP and TC are still going strong. Of course not the numbers of their glory days, but its pretty old by now anyway.

 

[SantoII]

Are you Kidding me ????
This Forum tells me I used some word or Phrase which is Forbidden even when trying to submit an Empty Post ????

edit:

I think one you guys has an Name which is Forbidden to use.
Each time I quote certain People I cant submit the post lol.....





Also.

Sorry guys.
But there is no Fun in taking uneccessary Risk.
Part of your Job as Commander is to get the Job done.

If you risk that while having absolutely no benefit from it then you FAIL as Commander!!!


Your supposed to make the best Decisions to deliver your Cargo.
Risking it in Open is the worst decision you can make.....



edit2:


Also guys.

In German theres Soldier send to Afgahnistan.
Know what ? They get extra pay despite doing same work as the Soldiers in other Areas.

Why ?
because its more dangerous there.

You think any of the Soldiers on the German Border would Complain that an Soldier in Afgahnistan gets extra Pay ?


Cause thats what the Solo Guys complain about here guys,....

2 things.

1.) it pains me to see this happening but your argument is so entirely questionable that i find myself forced to skip on the sarcasm because i'm afraid you'd take it literal.

2.) i'm not sure i can break this down to a level were you can comprehend this...but in real life you can't switch to a mode that allows to you isolate yourself from danger when facing risks. implying you understand this, then surely you understand that if you were to relocate goods worth millions of dollars in real life, you'd likely face tangible threats. great risks come with the potential of great payouts, that's the nature of the territory.

anyway. yes, you can isolate yourself and grind your way to billions in solo and only show yourself in open once you got a max. kitted Anaconda to parade around in with all advantages on your side, and you'll likely not be the only one to follow that path, but it defeats the purpose of the idea behind Elite DANGEROUS. it'd be respectable and a job well done to finish a trade run done while facing the potential risk of losing the cargo, ghosting through an empty universe with millions aboard is cheating your way out of the situation. it's that simple and it can in no way, shape or form be compared to avoiding risks in real life.

and no, soldiers in Afghanistan or any territory marked as conflict zone for that matter, don't do the same as soldiers that are deployed in a peaceful area. jesus christ.

 

[Answer]

What? Such nonsense.

Not so... you've been playing in a safe world.
You moved to the big bad everyone is here world. Using a Type 6 for rares is not a very wise choice.
Rare runs are fraught with pirates (Because they're rares!)
Don't give up just because you've had your first taste of the dangers of the universe.
Open play offers more than just a barrel for pirates to blow up unsuspecting freighter Cmdr's.

 

[Knightshark]

Not so... you've been playing in a safe world.
You moved to the big bad everyone is here world. Using a Type 6 for rares is not a very wise choice.
Rare runs are fraught with pirates (Because they're rares!)
Don't give up just because you've had your first taste of the dangers of the universe.
Open play offers more than just a barrel for pirates to blow up unsuspecting freighter Cmdr's.

This was not a bloody piracy problem, how often do i need to repeat this?

 

[_Agamemnon_]

Someone please end this threads suffering and spare us all it's whimpering.

 

[slipfeed]

>>> Play game where the only multiplayer feature is to grief other players...

>>> Switch to multiplayer mode....

>>> Get griefed by other players....

>>> Be surprised...

>>> Complain on forums...

>>> Clean drool off keyboard...

>>> Practice your A.B.C's unsuccessfully.


>>> ???

>>> Profit?

 

[SE-Apocalypse]

Risk my Friend.
Is only fun when there is an Reward for it.

In open there is no Reward for the higher Risk.


Risk and Reward.
One of the oldest Principles of Games which many Games Offer.


Take a higher Risk and get a higher Reward.
Thats how it works.

Why does that work ?
Simple.


Because its an Decision I make and for which I earn an additional Reward.


Now Making the Decision to take the more Risky Option and actually Succeeding will give me this Self Satisfactory Feeling of "Yeah you did it"
But this aint happening here. If in Elite I take the more Risky Option I get nothing of it, aside from this Idiotic Feeling "God I am an Idiot why did I do that?!


You need to understand this mate.
Challenges always must come with an Reward.
Taking em when you have nothing to gain from it is not brave but plainly said stupid.


Taking Higher Risk because you get an Higher Reward = Feel like an Daredevil
Taking Higher Risk for no Reason = Feel like an Idiot

I do understand what is going on in your mind and I still disagree. SoloPlay is like activating easy mode. Do you enjoy games on easy mode or do you turn up the difficultiy up even on single player games with no additional reward except for having a better game experience?

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Quite easy, inspired by the maritime laws: More agile vessels have to give way for less agile vessels. Equal agility resolved by speed difference. Equal speed and no one gets the blame.

Inspired by the special protection of fishing boats you could even give that same protection to ships locked in hyper jump activation, close range docking or mining.

Sounds good man, have some rep and take note that you need to educate your players about those rules than, because else you end up with a lot of angry people not understanding what was going on. Besides that: Ramming should be always just a fine imho, because it always takes two for a collision to happen.

 

[SE-Apocalypse]

Yep
Having to explain this is weird, it's seems so obvious. SP there is no risk either so it's basically Elite Dangerous on training wheels whereas OP is Elite proper.

BTW, I am not even sure if SOLO trading does upload to the background simulation. In Open Trading as a big effect on the background simulation, you can have great effect on outposts, stations and factions by just trading with them. Making them much more important, which is one of the interesting things about the game. Can you do this even in Solo or do you just suffer and benefit from the effects that open players have on the background sim?

 

[vonvonbraun]

>>> Play game where the only multiplayer feature is to grief other players...

>>> Switch to multiplayer mode....

>>> Get griefed by other players....

>>> Be surprised...

>>> Complain on forums...

>>> Clean drool off keyboard...

>>> Practice your A.B.C's unsuccessfully.


>>> ???

>>> Profit?

Lol made me laugh