My first grief er experience

[Oni14128]

Last night I was in a asellus primus helping a friend who recently bought elite. I was brining his some occupied escape pods so he could complete a rescue mission and get enough credits to leave the starter systems. We are on our way to bakers prospect when he gets interdicted. Unfortunately it was by a CMDR in a vulture who proceeds to make short work of my buddy's sidey. I manage to drop into his wake shortly after his destruction vowing revenge. Of ours the appearance of my fully armed FDS has him running. Back in SC I try and interdict but can't get behind him. He drops back into normal space but I overshoot his wake and lose my nav lock when I dropped out. I may have beat you, you may have beat me, we'll never know.
I've heard the stories but never encountered it myself. Well vulture pilot, hope you had fun blowing up a new pilot just learning to fly then running from an actual challenge.

 

[Caldric]

Surprised he ran in a vulture vs fds

 

[Felonious Monk]

That sucks, hopefully it didn't ruin the experience for your buddy too much.

 

[dementia]

Last night I was in a asellus primus helping a friend who recently bought elite. I was brining his some occupied escape pods so he could complete a rescue mission and get enough credits to leave the starter systems. We are on our way to bakers prospect when he gets interdicted. Unfortunately it was by a CMDR in a vulture who proceeds to make short work of my buddy's sidey. I manage to drop into his wake shortly after his destruction vowing revenge. Of ours the appearance of my fully armed FDS has him running. Back in SC I try and interdict but can't get behind him. He drops back into normal space but I overshoot his wake and lose my nav lock when I dropped out. I may have beat you, you may have beat me, we'll never know.
I've heard the stories but never encountered it myself. Well vulture pilot, hope you had fun blowing up a new pilot just learning to fly then running from an actual challenge.

Did you get his name? Maybe we can all go gunning for him?

Vulture vs a noob in a Sidewinder. Hardly anything for him to brag about and the coward ran from something a bit more powerful. Name and shame!!!

 

[Oni14128]

No, he still had a blast and I had enough occupied escape pods that we were able to try again. He made 100k for the mission and laughed his head off as I jumped his sidey in my buggy leaving tire marks on his cockpit. I just want to get him out of these systems so he doesn't have to deal with that kind of nonsense.
@caldric yeah, I'm surprised he ran as well. Thought for sure I was going to lose my ship in the name of retribution.

 

[Caldric]

@caldric yeah, I'm surprised he ran as well. Thought for sure I was going to lose my ship in the name of retribution.

Yeah and wasn't talking bad just seems anything with firepower to fight back and he ran away LOL. But I would have went after him too! Says more about him than anything else.

 

[Oni14128]

I feel like once my buddy is geared up and ready him and I should patrol this area in tooled up vultures and defend the less fortunate and offer cargo/advice. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like a lot of noobs check the comm screen.

 

[dementia]

I feel like once my buddy is geared up and ready him and I should patrol this area in tooled up vultures and defend the less fortunate and offer cargo/advice. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like a lot of noobs check the comm screen.

I'm no noob and I don't bother checking the comms screen either.

 

[Oni14128]

It would be good if frontier made the incoming message sound more noticable

 

[dementia]

It would be good if frontier made the incoming message sound more noticable

Yes indeed. Some sort of notice front and centre (perhaps even configurable) would be ideal.

 

[Privata]

Thats not greifing , not by a long shot.
here is a helpfull guide:

 

[Oni14128]

@privata so, you ate saying that using a vastly superior ship to hunt down new players in an area that is know to be for new players is not griefing? I'm not saying the CMDR griefed me but rather my friend. I could care less he ran from me but to interdict a stock sidewinder with no wanted status in the new player systems call it what you will it's definitely a cheap shot and unsporting.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Last night I was in a asellus primus helping a friend who recently bought elite. I was brining his some occupied escape pods so he could complete a rescue mission and get enough credits to leave the starter systems. We are on our way to bakers prospect when he gets interdicted. Unfortunately it was by a CMDR in a vulture who proceeds to make short work of my buddy's sidey. I manage to drop into his wake shortly after his destruction vowing revenge. Of ours the appearance of my fully armed FDS has him running. Back in SC I try and interdict but can't get behind him. He drops back into normal space but I overshoot his wake and lose my nav lock when I dropped out. I may have beat you, you may have beat me, we'll never know.
I've heard the stories but never encountered it myself. Well vulture pilot, hope you had fun blowing up a new pilot just learning to fly then running from an actual challenge.

Hah... people, you do realize you are giving these people the attention they seek if they are really "Griefers" right?

 

[fitzsteve]

You could just create a private group until he's up and running

 

[Privata]

@privata so, you ate saying that using a vastly superior ship to hunt down new players in an area that is know to be for new players is not griefing? I'm not saying the CMDR griefed me but rather my friend. I could care less he ran from me but to interdict a stock sidewinder with no wanted status in the new player systems call it what you will it's definitely a cheap shot and unsporting.

Its not greifing.
Its just being an ASP-hole (hehe)
but its not wrong , its not right its just a thing that happens.
cause and effect , and all that. it may not be nice but thats what you get when you play open.
I never kill a target for no reason but I have been shot at by others , so its irelevent.

Plus elite is ment to be dystopia of sorts in a universe driven by greed and death , so what happened is in universe and in the rules.

 

[Stigbob]

That's not griefing OP its just PK'ing (admittedly by a gutless noob hunter).

Create a private group for your training flight, no chance of such naughtiness. Then hunt the PK'er as a wing once ready.

 

[Arjin]

That's not griefing OP its just PK'ing (admittedly by a gutless noob hunter).

Create a private group for your training flight, no chance of such naughtiness. Then hunt the PK'er as a wing once ready.

This, this and this. Don't even give anyone the opportunity, once you guys are ready to rock n roll go back into open and kill em all.

 

[Noctover]

Some people derive pleasure only from depriving others of theirs.

I would say "get over it PVP is part of the game" but the fact he pegged the moment he realised you weren't a sidewinder (lets face it, he's only hunting sidewinders) kinda makes me pity him.

 

[Yukon Sam]

call it what you will it's definitely a cheap shot and unsporting.

Of that there is no serious question. But unsporting cheap shots are allowed and supported by the game architecture, with penalties ranging from light to non-existent. Volumes have been written about the wisdom of this design decision, but at the moment, spawn-camping newbie systems doesn't count as griefing in this context. On the other hand... if there's any documented evidence of harassment or abuse, please feel free to file a report and nail his bloody hide to the shed as a public service for the community as a whole.

 

[drholliday]

The definition of griefing is not arbitrary. As unfair as it might be this is not griefing. It's not even bending the rules. It's perfectly valid gameplay and the fact that probably the majority of us doesn't agree with it doesn't make it wrong. The BB has missions to kill n civilians. Those don't have to be NPCs. Killing 10 noobs in Sidewinders works just as good.

The only reason I don't agree with that behavior is the fact that if it's overdone it could create frustration with the game for no particular reason than feeling harassed by players in comparatively overpowered ships. This behavior isn't any worse or better than kill stealing. A sport a lot of fly-jockeys are engaged in. Same thing. It's perfectly fine in the game but isn't exactly socially accepted behavior.

While this is a problem it's blown a bit out of proportions lately. It's not that there are hordes of psychos stalking the noob nursery. And there are a million ways to die in Eravate and I doubt noob hunters are in the Top 5.