As another 84er this is exactly how i feel too. I like the game but it is yet to capture the danger of the original.
My one major disapointment as an 84er
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As another 84er this is exactly how i feel too. I like the game but it is yet to capture the danger of the original.
Original ELITE when having to jump into a Dangerous / Anarchy system was "I've got a very bad feeling about this"
Todays ELITE when having to jump into a Anarchy system is "Meh"
I really haven't felt the nervous / hesitant emotions I used to feel in this update of the game at all.
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Also in todays ELITE I can take down a pilot (NPC) with an Elite rank just as easily as one with the Novice Rank. at least that's how it feels.
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Elite Dangerous feels more like Elite Whimpykid at the moment.
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Couldn't agree more. After I killed my first Novice Anaconda in a Cobra I was actually quite proud of myself even though I didn't find it particulary difficult. Though I got lucky. When I took on one of those 150k Hunter/Killer missions and found out my target was an Elite Anaconda, I considered running before the fight started and abandon the mission. Nevertheless I threw caution to in the wind (having had a shield and hull upgrade shortly before) and attacked thinking I could always boost and SC out when it got too bad. What I found out was, that I had little problem with the Anaconda. Attack fast, retreat when own shields get low, boost in and attack fast again. That way I wore him down. Took a while but it wasn't very dicey. Sustained some 15% hull damage all in all when once I didn't back out fast enough after he killed my shields.
Summary for me: I should never have survived. That's like a WW2 gun battle between a battleship and an escort destroyer: sure the destroyer is faster and more maneuverable, but even if they both had the same weapons range (as in ED) the destroyer most likely wouldn't have made it through the second attack. (or if you prefer it in SciFi terms: Star Destroyer vs. Millenium Falcon or Romulan Warbird vs. Runabout)
In a way it was quite a shock: I would have expected a bunch of fully equipped Anacondas to be able to take on a space station in firepower. But even with a measly little multi purpose Cobra I'm not afraid anymore of the mighty Anaconda. What does that tell me?
- Why would I need a bigger ship since I don't trade?
- Who (apart from a station and other CMDRs) should I be afraid of anymore? If an Elite Anaconda is no real danger, the rest are just a nuiscance. Insignificant insects to be crushed ...
I agree with this thread, the game does need to scale up a lot, skill wise. This is one of those difficult things to balance these days, though, because niche simulator-type games like this easily risk being condemned for being 'too hard'.
Still though, a lot more work could be done in this regard. Trading scales up, nothing else really does.
Though, just some constructive criticism for the OP... don't use vague "clickbait" topic titles. Your criticism about the game was in regard to the game's difficulty. You could have easily stated that in the topic title rather than the equivalent of "You won't believe this one weird thing an original elite player hates about Elite: Dangerous!!!"
Still though, a lot more work could be done in this regard. Trading scales up, nothing else really does.
Though, just some constructive criticism for the OP... don't use vague "clickbait" topic titles. Your criticism about the game was in regard to the game's difficulty. You could have easily stated that in the topic title rather than the equivalent of "You won't believe this one weird thing an original elite player hates about Elite: Dangerous!!!"
I think that thinking is wrong though. Sure some may quit, but it becomes a "thing" to stay. Look at a game like EvE for example. Its "hard" but people will stay playing for years. Easy games go back to the unplayed pile. I ended up quitting eve, not because of any difficulty but due to the direction they took it from being playable by solo and small groups to blob lag fests. Difficulty can be mastered.
Really they should have difficulty settings, Easy, Normal, Hard, and then Dangerous.
I'd like to know what the devs have left in the locker though. While it probably would be a little dull to get instagibbed by impossibly accurate laser fire every time you came up against an elite NPC, it'd be nice to see what they consider the very best they can do.
I've been blown up by some pretty well known CMDRS over the last few months. I learnt more about the Cobra Mk iii in terms of relative turn rates and weapon spreads in one 5 minute dice with Cmdr Neon Raven than I did racking up 500+ NPC kills. I'd like to see how close the devs can get.
Ok I just found out that my post above that there was nothing to be afraid anymore, was not entirely correct ... I just had a very nasty fight with an Elite Python NPC that I interdicted. That was much more of a challenge than the Elite Anacondas. The Python is about as maneouverable and fast as the Cobra, but much better armed and armoured. Thus I was constantly turning and fighting to keep it in my sights while the Python's turrets were hammering at my shields (and later at my hull). So a turning match like against an ASP is out of the question. Once you lose her from sight you really have a problem. The tactic I used against the Anacondas didn't work at all either because it's much more difficult to keep a safe to recharge the shields. Also it is almost impossible to keep close to the enemy's hull outside the firing arcs of many defensive weapons. The beast had so much firepower that she dropped my shields (B) with the second volley. So if you get close you can't stay close or outmaneouver her and get hit point blank. And from a distance all the Python's weapons will hit you at the same time.
End result: with 25% hull left I boosted away and went into supercruise. Damage to the Python was approx 65% Hull and 70% Power Plant left, while the shields had just come back up.
So beware of Elite Pythons. (or maybe give me a hint who to deal with them more successfully)
End result: with 25% hull left I boosted away and went into supercruise. Damage to the Python was approx 65% Hull and 70% Power Plant left, while the shields had just come back up.
So beware of Elite Pythons. (or maybe give me a hint who to deal with them more successfully)
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Same here.
Loving it, but boy it's so easy. Likely to get bored before too long. I hope not though.
I mentioned something to this effect in another thread. The 8-bit versions had the right mix of trade, combat, missions and open-ended exploration.
BTW, I played Elite on the speccy and C64 and I don't remember encountering a single bug.
Yea i remember that, i used to avoid them like the plague at the start of the game.
It's not even a consideration now
Another 84er agreeing totally with the OP.
I used to feel some excitement taking cargo into anarchy, as it guaranteed a fight and represented a very real possibility of destruction.
Now i dont even bother checking what a system is - it's just a bus route to me.
I used to feel some excitement taking cargo into anarchy, as it guaranteed a fight and represented a very real possibility of destruction.
Now i dont even bother checking what a system is - it's just a bus route to me.
Well if it's worth to add: I'm not an 84er. I wasn't even alive in 1984. Didn't play FE2 or FFE when it came out either.
In real life, I want to succeed. Doing so makes me happy. I want to ''win'' things, but game worlds are not reality.
Here, challenge is fun, loosing is fun, and overcoming your challenges is even more fun. Winning everything means no more loosing, and no more challenges. That is not fun. That is boring.
To pseudo-paraphrase JFK: We play games, not because they are easy, but because they are hard!
In real life, I want to succeed. Doing so makes me happy. I want to ''win'' things, but game worlds are not reality.
Here, challenge is fun, loosing is fun, and overcoming your challenges is even more fun. Winning everything means no more loosing, and no more challenges. That is not fun. That is boring.
To pseudo-paraphrase JFK: We play games, not because they are easy, but because they are hard!
Yep.
Similar threads/ideas to do with increasing the spread (and structure) from "dangerous" to "safe", w.r.t. System Security levels:
Anarchy? Don't make me laugh.
[REQUEST] FD, please bring "SECURITY LEVEL" Front And Centre as we navigate the Elite Galaxy
[REQUEST] More police and military activity in high security systems
Similar threads/ideas to do with increasing the spread (and structure) from "dangerous" to "safe", w.r.t. System Security levels:
Anarchy? Don't make me laugh.
[REQUEST] FD, please bring "SECURITY LEVEL" Front And Centre as we navigate the Elite Galaxy
[REQUEST] More police and military activity in high security systems
Ok I just found out that my post above that there was nothing to be afraid anymore, was not entirely correct ... I just had a very nasty fight with an Elite Python NPC that I interdicted. That was much more of a challenge than the Elite Anacondas. The Python is about as maneouverable and fast as the Cobra, but much better armed and armoured. Thus I was constantly turning and fighting to keep it in my sights while the Python's turrets were hammering at my shields (and later at my hull). So a turning match like against an ASP is out of the question. Once you lose her from sight you really have a problem. The tactic I used against the Anacondas didn't work at all either because it's much more difficult to keep a safe to recharge the shields. Also it is almost impossible to keep close to the enemy's hull outside the firing arcs of many defensive weapons. The beast had so much firepower that she dropped my shields (B) with the second volley. So if you get close you can't stay close or outmaneouver her and get hit point blank. And from a distance all the Python's weapons will hit you at the same time.
End result: with 25% hull left I boosted away and went into supercruise. Damage to the Python was approx 65% Hull and 70% Power Plant left, while the shields had just come back up.
So beware of Elite Pythons. (or maybe give me a hint who to deal with them more successfully)
You could kite it from afar with four gimballed multi-cannons, or one beam/pulse laser and three gimballed multi-cannons. Using a 7/7 or 5/5 shield cell bank you should be able to take it out easily.