Naval Progression Opportunity bug?

[Cruis.In]

I am a midshipman and I got another naval progression opp... I hunted and killed General Funny Name (some russian spelling or something)

I turned in the mission and I lost huge reputation with Feds, I went from getting constant naval progression missions one after the other because I am allied and have like high reputation with MULTIPLE minor factions due to LOTS of bounty hunting and tading in MANY systems.....so it seems I could have gone straight to post commander with how high my rep was, it was allied with like 20 or more minors...

anyway on completing it, I saw lockdown, famine etc all red things, my rep went from allied with feds to friendly and I didn't get a promotion....it said good job blah blah blah.....but what? Also something about SOL, wish I had read it. I am a beta backer and have access to sol already. The reward for the mission when I took it said, progression in rank....

any ideas?

 

[Valethar]

They've been like that since Beta at least. Taking a mission to kill a general allied to your faction can, and often does, result in negative rep instead of the promotion.

I eventually just avoided taking those missions and worked on other things as they presented themselves. Ranking up in several system factions allied to the main faction often provided an increase in rank without my having to mess with those idiot generals and their bugged missions.

 

[Cruis.In]

oh man....so will we get a reversal on what we lost in rep and rank when the fix comes or is the only backwards fix available from ticketing it?

I was actually having fun playing the game until this, this kills it for me. This naval progression was one of the carrots on a stick for me and the python, I do the missions and progression as a distraction from the boring grinding of trading to get the python, killing two birds with one stone preparing for the federal corvette which you no doubt need ensign or better for....

but oh well....guess I'll stick to trading every couple of days and leave out the progression since its bugged, but it just ruins the game for me right now as that was my focus. I was even doing all the gameplay around those two things, when I got bored of doing my main goals I would do other stuff which was fun, like I kitted out a cobra for some exploration, then did a bit of bounty hunting, them would come back and do a naval mission and some trading.

 

[changtau2005]

I know some folks have had no problems ranking up all the way, but I suspect there's something fishy going on for some of us, like I given the Exbeur and Facece permits without having the prerequisite ranks. I also haven't heard anything about a promotion from the Federation since December. At least the Imperials are bugging me every other time I check the BB with the Summerland permit which I already have. I've been roaming Fed space for the past 3-4 days trading mediocre routes and have since gotten from neutral to allied with the Fed itself, and am now allied with 3 more fed-aligned stations, and working on another two. All that for the upcoming corvette but still not a peep from them =(

 

[Cruis.In]

I did get the bounty, but I paid it off at another system/station without being scanned or caught. Does that mean I should complete it successfully or I had to wait to be shot first to complete this mission successfully.

I've heard people shoot the general, get a bounty, pay it off and turn in the mission and still be successful, so which is it? Its confusing did I fail because I didn't wait to get hit( he did fire first but missed) or did it fail due to a bug?

 

[Valethar]

I managed to get all the way to the top for both Fed and Empire by doing everything but those assassination missions. I ticketed them back in December, but as is usually the case, there hasn't been a word from anyone in the 'support' department one way or another on the issue.

If you do them, let the general shoot you first if possible, at that point you're defending yourself and should be able to avoid the bounty. However, in some cases, they won't shoot, and you have no choice but to initiate hostilities.

 

[changtau2005]

I did get the bounty, but I paid it off at another system/station without being scanned or caught. Does that mean I should complete it successfully or I had to wait to be shot first to complete this mission successfully.

I've heard people shoot the general, get a bounty, pay it off and turn in the mission and still be successful, so which is it? Its confusing did I fail because I didn't wait to get hit( he did fire first but missed) or did it fail due to a bug?

It's the same as assassination missions, but the general has no bounty so watch where you shoot him. If he's not in anarchy space, wait for him to shoot you first so you don't break the law. After you kill him you should get like a 10Cr bounty. At least that's what I found when I did all that back in December, not sure if it's all bugged out now.

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I managed to get all the way to the top for both Fed and Empire by doing everything but those assassination missions. I ticketed them back in December, but as is usually the case, there hasn't been a word from anyone in the 'support' department one way or another on the issue.

How did you get to the top rank without doing the mission? Did they give you a choice of missions or is there another way to get the rank somehow?

 

[Athan]

My working theory for the "huh, why did I get -ve rep for completing a mission for you?" thing is that the target of the mission, in another system, happened to be tagged with a minor faction that was also Federation (or Empire or Alliance as applicable) affiliated, thus you take a rep hit for having killed them.

Of course this could easily be wrong if the rep hit is definitely on handing the mission in, rather than when you get the kill in space. But at times it's a bit hard to tell if things like rep are fully updating in real time on your client.

I took a -ve Fed rep hit twice on those missions, with it taking longer to get back from Unfriendly the second time (I think the first time I'd made it to Friendly, the second I was somewhere in Neutral). I was lucky I'd built up specific minor faction rep so I had somewhere to do Fed missions, 'cos that second time every other Fed minor faction was also Unfriendly due to the Fed Unfriendly being 'deeper'.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I have not yet taken an assassination mission, for many of the reasons stated. It's simpler to build rep with factions allied to the major faction- and less risky/more profitable in the long run.

 

[Goilveig]

I managed to get all the way to the top for both Fed and Empire by doing everything but those assassination missions.

How is that even possible? Two ranks for each (Petty Officer / Lt. Commander or Squire / Count) are ONLY available as assassination missions. Each rank has a corresponding mission type: you do smuggling / fetch / courier / assassination / combat / smuggling / fetch / courier / assassination / combat, in that order. You shouldn't ever be able to reach max rank without doing two assassinations, as well as two of each of the other mission types.

To the OP: did you kill him in the system you were supposed to kill him in? Sounds like a bug if you didn't get the rank.

 

[Cruis.In]

How can you build your rank......I am talking military rank like petty officer, ensign etc, without taking the naval progression mission? This was not an ordinary assassination mission for a minor faction, I was working for the federation security officer.

Yes, I killed him in SOMA< and it said target location. SOMA

 

[Archgeek]

I've had a similar bug with Federal mission progression -- I got to Midshipman, was presented with quite a few instances of Solar Invitation, but at the time thought that involved going out to Sol itself under special temporary permission to receive some sort of text briefing and a real Sol permit. So I saw fit to leave it for later, perhaps after upgrading from my sidewinder, and finish out the smuggling missions I'd undertaken so I could leave the game for the night, promptly racked up 4 smuggling fines bringing my career total up to 9 infractions summing 17k or so (the last four were paid off immediately, but it turned out not to help much). After number 4, the whole Federation's unfriendly to me, Solar Invitation is nowhere to be seen, and the only missions available were Federal Black Ops.

I've since worked my way up to friendly in several federal systems, but still unfriendly as a whole and still no Sol permit. No system permits whatsoever in fact. 'Not sure if major faction rep or the mission itself glitched out. I'll possess a better idea of it if I ever get the Feds neutral again. But yeah, suspicion floats around regarding major faction rep and rank mission progression.

 

[SirAdelaide]

Just to make sure you understand: if you see a system permit mission, take it straight away. There are no tasks to complete, no special requirements or anything of that sort. It just gives permission to visit the named system. You don't need to go there. But getting the option when it is available is best because it might not come round again for a while, especially if you jump out to a different part of space.

 

[Ydiss]

Assassin missions are illegal because the target isn't wanted. And this will result in negative rep with the jurisdiction the assassination happens in (which is always Federation if you're doing Federation military missions).

Whether this is a bug or intended isn't clear. But don't get reputation and rank mixed up. If you're working on your military rank, you're not working on your reputation. They're not related at all. So you can lose reputation when working for the military if the act is illegal. It might be a bug but until it's confirmed as such, or fixed, you simply have to think of it as "Black Ops".

 

[SirAdelaide]

Pre 1.1 I did the general assassination mission with no problems. I did wait for him to shoot first though as he wasn't wanted status. Not head on though! Fly around the sides or back so you only get hit by turret beams, not plasma cannons.

 

[micky1up]

Im up to leiutenant and i cant see any more progression missions

 

[Cruis.In]

i did it again and got it done. Waited for him to shoot.

 

[Ram Paige]

Reputation, rank, shopping, logic and now even smuggling are all a train wreck in Elite, in that order of severity.

 

[Mufus]

In my experience the Federal missions are utterly daft.

For example:


I'm at PLX 695 and being offered the mission to get access to PLX 695. Duh. No sign of any urgent messages from the Federal Navy either of course.

To make it even more stupid, I have two of these missions, offering access to PLX 695 while already there:

 

[Clawhammer]

In my experience the Federal missions are utterly daft.

For example:
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I'm at PLX 695 and being offered the mission to get access to PLX 695. Duh. No sign of any urgent messages from the Federal Navy either of course.

To make it even more stupid, I have two of these missions, offering access to PLX 695 while already there:
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I can confirm the last screenshot, i have this strang unobtainable system permit missions from the fed too.