For those above questioning Anarchy - note that legal jurisdictions can exist inside Anarchy systems, and Anarchy jurisdictions can exist inside systems of Law, so you have to be mindful of where you commit your crimes.
No actions taken by you in an Anarchy jurisdiction should be registering as crime, i.e. you should be incurring neither fines, bounties, nor notoriety. If you have been penalized with any of these while in an Anarchy jurisdiction, it is a bug and you should report it.
Under the new system fines will never turn into a bounty. Only crimes that result in bounties will give them. I saw no mention from any dev saying a certain amount of fines turn into a bounty. Crimes are either fine or bounty level offenses. Thing like trespass friendly fire can be both, they start as fines, and if you keep going it turns to a bounty. But if you were to friendly fire or trespass, get a fine and leave, than do it again over and over they would all be fines no matter how much $$ you rack up in fines.
yes, this may exactly be true! I reserve the right to be completly wrong lol
I did some testing (that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!) and fired a beam on a cop. I got 400cr bounty there and authority won't see me for it. have to track down an IF. So it seems firing on cops is not the same as a glancing blow on the average joe citizen. Things to learn.
yes, this may exactly be true! I reserve the right to be completly wrong lol
I did some testing (that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!) and fired a beam on a cop. I got 400cr bounty there and authority won't see me for it. have to track down an IF. So it seems firing on cops is not the same as a glancing blow on the average joe citizen. Things to learn.
I didn't see anything saying system authority was treated differently. There is *supposed* to be a threshold for friendly fire against NPC's. Now what that threshold is we have no clue. and while there are some damage numbers in ED its not like we have full damage counters, nor a set amount to test it against.
The whole friendly fire, reckless discharge vs. assault bounty part is very ambiguous, so its impossible to tell if you got hit by a bug or not. It really is sounding like everyone who hits any clean ship is immediately wanted. If you have engineered weapons, with damaging special effects it could be that we are just putting out damage too fast.
This is another issue that should probably have a look at from Fdev and maybe tweaked if they really want to allow for a slight bit of friendly fire.
I didn't see anything saying system authority was treated differently. There is *supposed* to be a threshold for friendly fire against NPC's. Now what that threshold is we have no clue. and while there are some damage numbers in ED its not like we have full damage counters, nor a set amount to test it against.
The whole friendly fire, reckless discharge vs. assault bounty part is very ambiguous, so its impossible to tell if you got hit by a bug or not. It really is sounding like everyone who hits any clean ship is immediately wanted. If you have engineered weapons, with damaging special effects it could be that we are just putting out damage too fast.
This is another issue that should probably have a look at from Fdev and maybe tweaked if they really want to allow for a slight bit of friendly fire.
My beam is an G5 efficient/concordant sequence. nothing special. I have hit avg joe blo with it for reckless weapons discharge, and paid off the fine at authority contact, but tagging the cop got me insta 400cr bounty and authority contact was locked out.
Reading it all it isn't all that simple really. Perhaps I'm just getting old.
I don't understand this notoriety decay though. You can always land your ship and leave the game running over night. I guess it is a slightly higher annoyance than having it decay in any case but it will only cause higher electricity bills.
My beam is an G5 efficient/concordant sequence. nothing special. I have hit avg joe blo with it for reckless weapons discharge, and paid off the fine at authority contact, but tagging the cop got me insta 400cr bounty and authority contact was locked out.
ok good to know you are one of only a couple people I have heard getting the weapons discharge portion. Maybe cops are handled differently. Thank you for your report on this. These help us all, including me understand it a bit better. It may be worth reporting these as bugs and see if this is intended?
Reading it all it isn't all that simple really. Perhaps I'm just getting old.
I don't understand this notoriety decay though. You can always land your ship and leave the game running over night. I guess it is a slightly higher annoyance than having it decay in any case but it will only cause higher electricity bills.
I agree on the notoriety decay, you are right on that.
I cleaned up the post a bit and made the wall of text go away, and put it into mini sections maybe its a little easier to follow now? It took me a few days and several posts in several threads to get it organized enough to myself. It really isn't that hard, but it is more involved. once things start clicking it will start to fall into place I think, well I hope lol.
For those above questioning Anarchy - note that legal jurisdictions can exist inside Anarchy systems, and Anarchy jurisdictions can exist inside systems of Law, so you have to be mindful of where you commit your crimes.
No actions taken by you in an Anarchy jurisdiction should be registering as crime, i.e. you should be incurring neither fines, bounties, nor notoriety. If you have been penalized with any of these while in an Anarchy jurisdiction, it is a bug and you should report it.
If you are fairly certain Anarchy should act this way, except for those controlled jurisdictions you mention, then I will add this to the OP. thank you.
You absolutely can mod a hot ship. Yesterday morning I killed a Commander illegally and then proceeded to mod my FDL across several engineers. I was converting legacy mods to the new system and then maxing them out. Only issue was taking a multicannon off so I could grind up reputation with Mr. The Blaster on a newly purchased weapon. Outfitting would not refit the original module, so I had to do some travelling around to get it clean and put back on my ship.
Reading it all it isn't all that simple really. Perhaps I'm just getting old.
I don't understand this notoriety decay though. You can always land your ship and leave the game running over night. I guess it is a slightly higher annoyance than having it decay in any case but it will only cause higher electricity bills.
I haven't tested this myself, but I understand that time 'on the pad' doesn't count against the Notoriety decay time. It would do wonders if this could be verified by someone naughtier than myself.
I haven't tested this myself, but I understand that time 'on the pad' doesn't count against the Notoriety decay time. It would do wonders if this could be verified by someone naughtier than myself.
So I totally redid my OP and cleaned it up, and tried to cut down some of the wording. I also put everything in mini sections with spoilers to make it look better and easier to read. Hope this is helpful for some to understand things a bit better. Not sure how long before it gets buried though.
If you have any comments on my post, or the information in it feel free. I do not intend this thread to be a discussion of what is right or wrong with the new system. Only to help clarify and inform people how the new system will affect them and how they can deal with the penalties.
I will try to keep it updated as soon as changes are made, or more verifications on things are posted around here.
Thanks to CMDR Vindelanos for bringing this up. (post#19 pg.2)
To clarify the first bit of his post, In an ANARCHY SYSTEM you may or may not be in an ANARCHY JURISDICTION. It is possible you may end up in the jurisdiction of a Lawful minor faction, inside an anarchy system. It is believed that only in this case will you get crime penalties only, otherwise you should not get any crimes in anarchy space.
Interestingly though I popped over to the local Anarchy and did the following...
1. Killed a Lawful Party ship at the Nav. No bounty, no notoriety.
2. Went to a non-landable, Lawful Party ground settlement and engaged a ship and turrets there... No crime triggered.
3. Went to a Landable, Lawful Party ground settlement and engaged defenses... crime, death, detention.
As far as I know, crime at both of these "Lawful" settlements should have triggered fines and bounties.
Anarchy systems and jurisdictions seem to have all kinds of issues, from Authority ships that shouldn't be there, to missing black markets, to bounties that can be farmed without a KWS (there shouldn't be). And now people reporting that they are incurring bounties in them. A while back the Diamond Frogs had an issue where their once Fed, now Anarchy stations would suddenly go nuts on them and kill them on sight. Recently I incurred a fine for shooting in an Anarchy station's NFZ. Last I checked, Anarchy stations don't have NFZs.
It sometimes feels that when assets change hands from Anarchy to Lawful, and vice versa, some of the mechanics carry over and some do not.
My suggestion is any time a player triggers crimes or bounty claims while in an Anarchy jursidiction, they file a bug report. Likewise, if they are in a Lawful Jurisdiction and do not trigger crimes, file a bug report as well.
Will have to go back there tomorrow and hit some other Anarchies for more tests. Like I said though, Anarchies seem to be plagued by inconsistent mechanics.
P.S. There is a shipyard at the detention center I'm at, and from the looks of things you can transfer ships here. So for all of the reports of people unable to escape detention centers due to jump range, it's probably worth it to keep a taxi available that you can call in when you need it.
That is how it should work, as far as I know, interestingly though I popped over to the local Anarchy and did the following...
1. Killed a Lawful Party ship at the Nav. No bounty, no notoriety.
2. Went to a Law Part settlement and engaged a ship there... but didn't trigger an assault bounty.
I should have gotten in trouble with #2.
Will head over to one more "Lawful" settlement in this system to see if I can get a crime triggered.
lol - yep, that did it. Stopped off at another Lawful settlement and popped a skimmer.... Bounty, dead, detention center. This was in an Anarchy system. The difference between settlement A and Settlement B was...
(A) Small settlement, No Crime
(B) Large landable settlement, Crime
As far as I know, both of these "Lawful" settlements should have triggered crime.
Anarchy systems and jurisdictions seem to have all kinds of issues, from Authority ships that shouldn't be there, to missing black markets, to bounties that can be farmed (there shouldn't be). And now people reporting that they are incurring bounties in them. A while back the Diamond Frogs had an issue where their once Fed, now Anarchy stations would suddenly go nuts on them and kill them on sight.
My suggestion is any time a player triggers crimes or bounty claims while in an Anarchy jursidiction, they file a bug report. Likewise, if they are in a Lawful Jurisdiction and do not trigger crimes, file a bug report as well.
Will have to go back there tomorrow and hit some other Anarchies for more tests. Like I said though, Anarchies seem to be plagued by inconsistent mechanics.
Interesting, Thanks for going and testing that out. I will make a note referencing this post, as well as mentioning that Anarchies are a bit unknown and possibly bugged/wonky.
Interesting, Thanks for going and testing that out. I will make a note referencing this post, as well as mentioning that Anarchies are a bit unknown and possibly bugged/wonky.
It's something that I really want to get sorted out. I'll write up a Q&A for the devs tomorrow concerning crime in Anarchy space and shared jurisdictions.
It's something that I really want to get sorted out. I'll write up a Q&A for the devs tomorrow concerning crime in Anarchy space and shared jurisdictions.
Yes this would be good to get sorted out, I appreciate the help. And I agree with your assessment of how Anarchy should operate.
I'm curious did you notice if the security level if the settlements were different too? like a +++ vs a no security settlement? maybe that is what caused your bounty?
Yes this would be good to get sorted out, I appreciate the help. And I agree with your assessment of how Anarchy should operate.
I'm curious did you notice if the security level if the settlements were different too? like a +++ vs a no security settlement? maybe that is what caused your bounty?
