New C&P. An Explanation. It's not that hard I promise.

[Deleted member 115407]

"New C&P. An Explanation. It's not that hard people"

[2.35 Ls high wall of text]

This is obviously some brand new definition of "not that hard", lol.

It really isn't. Commit a crime in a jurisdiction, you're a criminal in that jurisdiction, and your criminal status is tied to the ship in which you committed the crime. That's pretty much it. Pretty simple, really.

 

[Hevak]

"New C&P. An Explanation. It's not that hard people"

[2.35 Ls high wall of text]

This is obviously some brand new definition of "not that hard", lol.

what is so hard about?

should I have just said do the crime do the time? things have changed and they are different, and honestly not that much different. But when you've done it one way for a year (like me) or 4 years like many it can be hard to let go of the old ingrained ways and deal with the new ways. But the system isn't that hard.

to a new player is really hard for sure. but ALL of ED is.

and the wall of text is gone, unless you open every spoiler at once, and well that is on you.

thanks for your helpful input though.

 

[simfan1983]

1. Killed a Lawful Party ship at the Nav. No bounty, no notoriety.
.

What is a Lawful Party ship?

 

[Hevak]

What is a Lawful Party ship?

a ship that belongs to a Non Anarchy faction. So a law abiding faction ship. Inside Anarachy systems there are sometimes law abiding factions present. And High - Low security systems there can sometimes be anarchy factions.

 

[simfan1983]

It really isn't. Commit a crime in a jurisdiction, you're a criminal in that jurisdiction, and your criminal status is tied to the ship in which you committed the crime. That's pretty much it. Pretty simple, really.

What consitutes a crime?

Is it the controlling faction that determines a jurisdiction?

a ship that belongs to a Non Anarchy faction. So a law abiding faction ship. Inside Anarachy systems there are sometimes law abiding factions present. And High - Low security systems there can sometimes be anarchy factions.

So if you kill a Lawful Party ship no crime? I'm even more confused....

 

[simfan1983]

I think I get it now, the post was pointing out the bugs...

 

[Deleted member 115407]

What consitutes a crime?

Is it the controlling faction that determines a jurisdiction?

The controlling faction of the system determines legal status in super cruise and around controlled and common assets. However, all assets (star ports, ground settlements) are supposed to adopt the legal status of their own controlling faction.

So, in a system owned by the purple Mob, the general legal status will be anarchy. But at an asset in that system owned by the 1234 democrats. The legal status in real
Space around that asset should be Lawful, i.e. Non-anarchy.

The easiest way to think about it is like States and counties. Texas is a big red state, but Austin, Dallas, and Houston are blue through and through.

Similarly, a hypothetical west African nation may be highly anarchic, but if the US owned a city there, it would be a zone of much stricter laws.

 

[lovely lovely]

I got wanted last night - 100cr bounty for a NPC getting in my way at a res site. Ah well. I was luck enough that the nearest interstellar faction was in system and I was wanted everywhere else in the system apart from there. Bit of a drag, but hey in and out in 5.

When searching in Galaxy/System Map and looking at facilities offered per station - Interstellar Faction = Broker Network

Sticking to the same naming convention would help a bit I guess

 

[simfan1983]

The controlling faction of the system determines legal status in super cruise. However, all assets (star ports, ground settlements) are supposed to adopt the legal status of their own controlling faction.

So, in a system owned by the purple Mob, the general legal status will be anarchy. But at an asset in that system owned by the 1234 democrats. The legal status in real
Space around that asset should be Lawful, i.e. Non-anarchy.

Thanks. So when you are outwith the perimeter of an asset, for example at the nav beacon, the legal status is determined by the controlling faction of the system and when you are within the perimeter of an asset like a station it is the minor faction that owns the asset?

 

[galahad2069]

I was browsing the forums using my smartphone and stumbled upon a "not that hard" line followed by a seemingly never ending explanation, which I found kinda funny. That's all, really.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Thanks. So when you are outwith the perimeter of an asset, for example at the nav beacon, the legal status is determined by the controlling faction of the system and when you are within the perimeter of an asset like a station it is the minor faction that owns the asset?

That's correct. I'm not sure of the distance on the latter, and will run some tests to determine it.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I got wanted last night - 100cr bounty for a NPC getting in my way at a res site. Ah well. I was luck enough that the nearest interstellar faction was in system and I was wanted everywhere else in the system apart from there. Bit of a drag, but hey in and out in 5.

When searching in Galaxy/System Map and looking at facilities offered per station - Interstellar Faction = Broker Network

Sticking to the same naming convention would help a bit I guess

Agreed. And like I was saying about anarchies - I dropped in on one last night that had an IF. That shouldn't have been there, and I presume is a remnant of the old controlling faction/state.

 

[Hevak]

I was browsing the forums using my smartphone and stumbled upon a "not that hard" line followed by a seemingly never ending explanation, which I found kinda funny. That's all, really.

Ok I get what you're saying. Lol But the length of an explanation or guide of a system and the difficulty of it are not always connected. Also some spots have extra crap right now because of bugs and things not working as they should or are expected based on dev posts and me explaining issues.

One question though, does my main post show as a few titled, spoilered sections or does it just show as one giant blob of text on your phone? If it's one giant blob on phones because they don't see the spoilers code idk if I can do much about that lol.

 

[galahad2069]

Ok I get what you're saying. Lol But the length of an explanation or guide of a system and the difficulty of it are not always connected. Also some spots have extra crap right now because of bugs and things not working as they should or are expected based on dev posts and me explaining issues.

One question though, does my main post show as a few titled, spoilered sections or does it just show as one giant blob of text on your phone? If it's one giant blob on phones because they don't see the spoilers code idk if I can do much about that lol.

My phone (Android/Chrome) always shows all spoilers already open (I cannot even make them collapse/hide).

So does my laptop (Win10/64 + Chrome). I know that it's not supposed to work that way but I never bothered to figure out why the spoilers fail to work, because I prefer the text being displayed in black on a white background, and on the few PCs where I saw the forum spoilers working as intended the text was light with a black background IIRC and I found it to be less readable.

 

[Ra'Kaan]

yes, this may exactly be true! I reserve the right to be completly wrong lol

I did some testing (that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!) and fired a beam on a cop. I got 400cr bounty there and authority won't see me for it. have to track down an IF. So it seems firing on cops is not the same as a glancing blow on the average joe citizen. Things to learn.

haha nevermind this, I'm an idiot!

while making breakfast I figured out why it skipped the fine and went directlyto bounty =)

Its a turret, I had the cop TARGETED.

noob move!

 

[sollisb]

yes, this may exactly be true! I reserve the right to be completly wrong lol

I did some testing (that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!) and fired a beam on a cop. I got 400cr bounty there and authority won't see me for it. have to track down an IF. So it seems firing on cops is not the same as a glancing blow on the average joe citizen. Things to learn.

Yep killing cops has a rather large impact on your bounty... I know a friend who did it yesterday

 

[sollisb]

I just noticed that if you are multicrewing and the ship gets a bounty, you get a bounty on your most expensive ship... Why? What's that about? Why are you getting any bounty on your ship? The crime was not committed in your ship. FDev logic is boggling.

You were caught speeding in your mini, but we'll put the fine on your Merc Sl 500.. Where do they think this rubbish up?

 

[duster88]

I was in interstellar faction outpost for 2.5 hours. But it still shows me with an unpayable bounty where I accidentally killed an NPC. 5000 fine and have notoriety of 1. What constitutes game time toward the 2 hours? Does it include time in a station?

 

[Hevak]

I was in interstellar faction outpost for 2.5 hours. But it still shows me with an unpayable bounty where I accidentally killed an NPC. 5000 fine and have notoriety of 1. What constitutes game time toward the 2 hours? Does it include time in a station?

No one is really sure.

One belief is pad time does not count, you need to be out of the station.

Another is that the devs said pad time does count but will not update until you leave the station. Or possible after a jump. I haven't seen this post myself.

Most reports I've seen said pad time wasn't counting down at all. I haven't had notoriety yet so I can't say from experience.

 

[duster88]

Thx. I left the interstellar faction outpost, went out 12ls came back and bounty was still there. I am well over 3 hours in station. I then flew out to another system interstellar faction station. Still had the bounty. So it appears that pad time does not count.