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Umm, it really is, research shows that gravity doesn't actually exist and that it's an emergent function of spacetime and quantum effects.



One of Elites big drawcards is that it tries to simulate real work physics as closely as possible, it's not always perfect of course, but there are plenty of people who would leave the game if they abandoned that principal.



And what, you think ED isn't a commercial project, you think even if it was losing money they would still be running it? Talk about related to reality!
1nd!.. "emergent function of spacetime and quantum effects" - I don't know who said it, but this is too complicated a definition for gravity! And most likely it's just "dust in the eyes" (there is such an expression.. means - to confuse the interlocutor).
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We have a BASIC definition of gravity - MORE CLEAR!
I quote: Matter is created from energy and at the end of its life cycle will again become energy. Any matter is under tension (this tension has not yet been studied) .. and strives to become energy.
Matter is created under certain conditions and DISSECTS under certain conditions! And (for example) the earth's gravity is MATTER IN LINE FOR LIQUIDATION..... there is too much matter, and the earth's core "digests" not so much.... that's why what we consider a PLANET is just matter "stuck in line for liquidation")))aaaahahaha
.. it sounds funny, but it's true! (I don't know who regulates the throughput of the earth's core, but it is set to MINIMUM! And the core of the "black hole" is the MAXIMUM throughput of the core.)

and 2nd! I think if ED becomes a research project, it will bring its owners much more money! And if it remains commercial, Starfield will destroy it!
 
Umm, it really is, research shows that gravity doesn't actually exist and that it's an emergent function of spacetime and quantum effects.



One of Elites big drawcards is that it tries to simulate real work physics as closely as possible, it's not always perfect of course, but there are plenty of people who would leave the game if they abandoned that principal.



And what, you think ED isn't a commercial project, you think even if it was losing money they would still be running it? Talk about related to reality!
replay))
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emergent function of spacetime and quantum effects?
our definition of gravity is much clearer))
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Matter is created from energy and at the end of its life cycle it will become energy again. Matter is always under tension and strives to get to where it will become energy again (i.e. to the core of the planet).....
.. the planet has a small core throughput, so a LOT of MATTER ACCUMULATES IN THE LINE!!!
.. and a black hole has a HIGH core throughput... so matter does not accumulate around it!
 
The problem with discussing the science of ED comes down to something quite fundamental about scientific research. If I was going to write a paper on something I would be looking for references that were written in the last couple of years. Maybe I'd go for something up to 5 years if it was particularly important or at a real stretch, 10 years if it was detailed something that was a core fundamental to the subject.

"But Dillon" you say "What on earth are you wittering on about this time?"

This is relevant because ED was first put together around 12 years ago, so significant scientific "facts" from back then will have been disproven or at least altered following further research. But hold up, it gets worse than that when you consider that the original Elite was created on a background of sci- fi such as Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The original Star Wars trilogy, and of course Space 2001. All now well over 40 years old from when they were first aired!

"But Dillon" you ask again "Couldn't FDev have just modernised things as science moved on?"

Well, two things: Firstly, it's a pretty successful video game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Second, and without any disparagement intended to anyone at Frontier, but if they really were fully clued up in things like the most modern therories on gravitation, faster than light travel and fusion power, what on Earth are they doing wasting their time on video games?
 
Second, and without any disparagement intended to anyone at Frontier, but if they really were fully clued up in things like the most modern therories on gravitation, faster than light travel and fusion power, what on Earth are they doing wasting their time on video games?
Skunkworks for what OP was talking about in the first post of course... BTW; speaking about later discoveries, I would be fine with a galactic refresh featuring all the latest star/exoplanet discoveries every few years or so.
 
Skunkworks for what OP was talking about in the first post of course... BTW; speaking about later discoveries, I would be fine with a galactic refresh featuring all the latest star/exoplanet discoveries every few years or so.
It took them 8 years to redo powerplay. Digging down into the physics of the game and redoing that is probably due on the next visit of Halley's comet on that timescale.
 
The problem with discussing the science of ED comes down to something quite fundamental about scientific research. If I was going to write a paper on something I would be looking for references that were written in the last couple of years. Maybe I'd go for something up to 5 years if it was particularly important or at a real stretch, 10 years if it was detailed something that was a core fundamental to the subject.

"But Dillon" you say "What on earth are you wittering on about this time?"

This is relevant because ED was first put together around 12 years ago, so significant scientific "facts" from back then will have been disproven or at least altered following further research. But hold up, it gets worse than that when you consider that the original Elite was created on a background of sci- fi such as Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The original Star Wars trilogy, and of course Space 2001. All now well over 40 years old from when they were first aired!

"But Dillon" you ask again "Couldn't FDev have just modernised things as science moved on?"

Well, two things: Firstly, it's a pretty successful video game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Second, and without any disparagement intended to anyone at Frontier, but if they really were fully clued up in things like the most modern therories on gravitation, faster than light travel and fusion power, what on Earth are they doing wasting their time on video games?
.. and the proposal was to make ED - a convenient tool for space exploration! Real space! The entire FDev game will not be changed for this, but an experimental DLC could well come out.
.. imagine that you have a wrench, but it is not made according to standards and you cannot unscrew a single nut. If you process this tool a little, it can do a lot, but WITHOUT PROCESSING - you can only look at it)) .. yes! When ED began - it was just an author's project, but time and competitors dictate strict conditions! And here you need to HAVE TIME TO REACT! Otherwise, 40 years of beautiful history will be forgotten very quickly))
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A successful game? It's a pity that it's just a game))
.. it would be even more successful if it became SOMETHING BIGGER than a game.
 
My pet 'theory' is that gravity is actually the 'forward' motion of time acting upon space. So gravity = time. Where do I claim my prize? lol.

Well there's an argument there, however in areas with lower mass density, like between the stars and galaxies, time passes faster, whereas the theory that time equals gravity would need time to move faster in areas where density and gravity is higher, so that doesn't quite add up.
 
replay))
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emergent function of spacetime and quantum effects?
our definition of gravity is much clearer))
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Matter is created from energy and at the end of its life cycle it will become energy again. Matter is always under tension and strives to get to where it will become energy again (i.e. to the core of the planet).....
.. the planet has a small core throughput, so a LOT of MATTER ACCUMULATES IN THE LINE!!!
.. and a black hole has a HIGH core throughput... so matter does not accumulate around it!

Purest nonsense, you don't have a definition of gravity at all. Suggest you go and read up on quantum physics, any definition of gravity would need to account for all the effects observed and so far none does entirely, so there is no actual definition, just a number of theories.
 
Чистейшая чушь, у вас вообще нет определения гравитации. Предлагаю вам пойти и почитать по квантовой физике, любое определение гравитации должно было бы учитывать все наблюдаемые эффекты, но до сих пор ни одно из них не делает этого полностью, поэтому фактического определения нет, только ряд теорий.
Scientific communities are not the same now... nobody publishes research results because they HAVE VALUE! You can read someone's delusions about this, but something real, only if you are part of this community. I am glad that my definition of gravity seemed nonsense to you)) continue to be deluded ;) and near-Earth orbit is your limit! Forget about space)) it will NOT open up to you))
 
Scientific communities are not the same now... nobody publishes research results because they HAVE VALUE! You can read someone's delusions about this, but something real, only if you are part of this community. I am glad that my definition of gravity seemed nonsense to you)) continue to be deluded ;) and near-Earth orbit is your limit! Forget about space)) it will NOT open up to you))

Oh lol, you don't have a definition of gravity, where's your nobel prize in physics? Scientific communities are in fact the same and research results are published all the time, they have to be published to actually be acknowledged by other scientists and scientific organizations, to win prizes like the nobel prize. You don't publish you don't advance your standing in the scientific community, to claim that results aren't published is ridiculous. Someone comes out and has a breakthrough in physics you can't then come out and "oh I discovered that last year but I didn't tell anyone." Doesn't work that way!
 
Oh lol, you don't have a definition of gravity, where's your nobel prize in physics? Scientific communities are in fact the same and research results are published all the time, they have to be published to actually be acknowledged by other scientists and scientific organizations, to win prizes like the nobel prize. You don't publish you don't advance your standing in the scientific community, to claim that results aren't published is ridiculous. Someone comes out and has a breakthrough in physics you can't then come out and "oh I discovered that last year but I didn't tell anyone." Doesn't work that way!
The Nobel Prize is actually VERY LITTLE MONEY!! It is much more profitable to take your niche in the space industry!! If someone manages to make a discovery that I made a year (or more) ago. I am happy for him! It means he deserved it.... and he will get his Nobel Prize. And he will become famous all over the world)) but for me this is not enough.
.. Share the results of research for FREE? - IN NO CASE!!!! This is contrary to common sense......
.. I spent half my life and a lot of my own money on this. And what did they spend? 10 minutes of their own time to listen to me? This is not enough!
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Take, for example, "Space X" - a 100% private company!...... what!? Are they happy to share the results of their research with everyone??? Nooooo!!! They produce THEIR rocket launcher and MAKE HUGE MONEY delivering cargo to near-earth orbit))
 
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Well there's an argument there, however in areas with lower mass density, like between the stars and galaxies, time passes faster, whereas the theory that time equals gravity would need time to move faster in areas where density and gravity is higher, so that doesn't quite add up.
That's very interesting, that's the first I've heard of that. Looks like I have some searching/reading to do. I appreciate you answering my post very much. o7
 
That's very interesting, that's the first I've heard of that. Looks like I have some searching/reading to do. I appreciate you answering my post very much. o7

This is why we need to keep synchronising the GPS satellites, because time passes slower in areas of higher mass/energy density, the foundation of Einsteins theory of relativity, time is relative, an object in motion has more energy and therefore a higher mass energy density and time passes more slowly, time dilation. However if you simply place an object in space that is moving the same relative velocity to yourself on the surface of the earth time will pass slightly faster for that object. In fact time passes faster for GPS satellites due to them being in space despite them being in motion and subject to time dilation. Once you take into account special and general relativity effects you find that time passes 45 microseconds a day faster simply by the satellite being in space and away from most of the earths gravity. However due to their motion they actually lose 7 microseconds a day due to time dilation, so the total of time gained per day is 38 microseconds.

Fun stuff, and while it sounds inconsequential, I mean what's 38ms anyway, I believe the actual accumulating error is around 10 meters (I could be wrong here I haven't look it up) meaning that over the course of a few days it would become useless for car navigation and other common application.
 
This is why we need to keep synchronising the GPS satellites, because time passes slower in areas of higher mass/energy density, the foundation of Einsteins theory of relativity, time is relative, an object in motion has more energy and therefore a higher mass energy density and time passes more slowly, time dilation. However if you simply place an object in space that is moving the same relative velocity to yourself on the surface of the earth time will pass slightly faster for that object. In fact time passes faster for GPS satellites due to them being in space despite them being in motion and subject to time dilation. Once you take into account special and general relativity effects you find that time passes 45 microseconds a day faster simply by the satellite being in space and away from most of the earths gravity. However due to their motion they actually lose 7 microseconds a day due to time dilation, so the total of time gained per day is 38 microseconds.

Fun stuff, and while it sounds inconsequential, I mean what's 38ms anyway, I believe the actual accumulating error is around 10 meters (I could be wrong here I haven't look it up) meaning that over the course of a few days it would become useless for car navigation and other common application.
Ok, so I think I have a somewhat reasonable grasp of time/space and time dilation, and the way I'm approaching it is based on the principle that mass/density acts to warp space/time which would then slow time proportionally to the way that acceleration to c would, ie; the denser the mass, the stronger the warping of time/space up to that of a black hole warping space/time effectively equal to c. And using the example of the 1g acceleration being no different to an observer to that of 1g gravity given no other frame of reference to distinguish the two.

So I'm looking at 'gravity' as something that is pushing up, rather than pulling down, which (in my mind) would work out that as you leave a large gravity well time would pass faster for an object relative to that of one within the gravity well, hence your example of the GPS satellites. But that is speaking about relativity/time dilation differences, not specifically time itself (ie speaking of a car vs bike race is about the degree of difference of their velocity, not that they are both experiencing velocity, which is a given, but still distinct). My point about gravity = time isn't so much about how fast/slow time passes but that the effect of it is literally the motion of us traversing the fourth dimension, which is perceived as a motion effect (gravity/acceleration) but without actual motion in the three planes of dimensions (movement), ie; we feel a push equiavalent to 1g acceleration but we don't experience us actually going anywhere because the actual motion is in the fourth plane, though we do experience the effects of that motion via the passage of time expressed as aging, with the amount of aging being proportional to that of the frequency of the passage of time relative to another.

Please go easy on me on this bit if I'm utterly wrong as I'm literally trying to figure out this next part, based on the statement that time = gravity would require time to move faster in areas where density and gravity is higher.. (and it's almost 3 am now).
Well there's an argument there, however in areas with lower mass density, like between the stars and galaxies, time passes faster, whereas the theory that time equals gravity would need time to move faster in areas where density and gravity is higher, so that doesn't quite add up.

I guess where it gets tricky is that the effect to us would naturally seem like the the greater feeling of gravity pushing against us would equal a higher velocity of time, but I would suggest that it's the other way around. Though of course that reads as counter intuitive based on how we perceive 'force' acting upon an object. But if we were to look at it from the angle of a dense object, we would exert much greater force to initially get it to move even though it isn't actually going anywhere yet. That's my intial thoughts anyway.. I'm definitely going to be thinking/reading up about this a bit more in relation to some other aspects I've been thinking about. Again, very much appreciate the answer. o7
 
So I'm looking at 'gravity' as something that is pushing up, rather than pulling down,

Got to remember this, gravity is a property of space/time not a force, higher gravity equals a higher energy density due to the warping of space/time, since gravity is effectively infinite in range (I say effectively because we can't know if it extends beyond the edge of the universe, if there is one), it affect the mass/energy density of an object no matter how far you get away from an object, there's always some effect from gravity. Place an object between the stars or galaxies and while gravity is still there, it is much less of a contributor to total mass energy density of an object because space/time is not warped as much, therefore time passes at a faster rate simply by being in that location. So the further away you get from all objects that warp space the faster time passes.
 
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