New habitat lizards?

Currently there are only two habitat lizards in the entire game, the Nile Monitor and the Komodo Dragon, and we've gotten no new species since launch. There's definitely not much of a demand for a new big lizard to come to the game - the highest species on the habitat animal metawishlist still sits down around the 130th place - but given we've got five different species of crocodilian now, I would really like to see the habitat reptile roster finally grow in other areas (not just lizards but tortoises too, but they're not the focus of this thread).

In a unique situation for PZ, the most frequently discussed option for new habitat lizards are not actually new species - I'm of course talking about the iguanas that are currently restricted to exhibit boxes. While I support the idea of having the option to choose whether to have certain species (like iguanas, the dwarf caiman and probably koalas) in either a habitat or an exhibit depending on your preference, there is currently no precedence for this. As such, I will unfortunately not be counting iguanas or lizards similar to them (such as big agamids) in this thread because we have no indication that they will ever become habitat animals. Sorry rhinoceros iguana and sailfin dragon.

Based on the trends in the game so far, the only lizards considered worthy of being habitat animals are large and active predators, and this is a category that is dominated by a single family - the varanids. This family unsurprisingly includes the most highly requested habitat lizard of all, Australia's largest lizard, the Perentie (#129). This is my absolute favourite species of reptile and so of course I'd be thrilled to have it in the game, and it is also one of the few remaining realistic options for a habitat animal found in the deserts of central Australia. That said, despite my strong personal bias, I don't necessarily consider them the best choice for a new habitat lizard or even an Australian varanid from an objective perspective. They're only found in two zoos outside Australia, one in Europe and one in the US, and although they're much more widespread in captivity in their home country (even being present in the private reptile trade) they're still not the most common varanid species in local zoos.

Of course, if we do end up with the Perentie as our one and only post-release habitat lizard, I'll be the last one complaining.

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Instead, I think the Lace Monitor (#327), Australia's second largest lizard, is actually the better species to add to PZ from an objective standpoint. They're almost as large, just as pretty, and are much more widespread in zoos both inside and outside Australia. Perhaps even more importantly, they have greater potential to add new behaviours that would encourage players to construct their enclosures differently from the varanids already in the game given they are semi-arboreal and spend large amounts of time in the trees. This means we'd get an entirely new lizard climbing rig, which would be awesome to see (until they glitch out on the climbing frames but that's neither here nor there). They also come in two different forms, the typical lace pattern and the Bell's phase, which fits in with PZ's new trend of introducing greater colour variation. It's a real shame they're so low on the metawishlist, they have a lot of potential.

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Continuing on the trend of climbing lizards, the final varanid species I'd like to highlight here is the Crocodile Monitor (#243). I'm not sure which species is more common in global zoos (although I know the croc monitor is not kept at all in Australia), but crocodile monitors are arboreal to an even greater degree than lace monitors and would give representation to New Guinea, which is unlikely to get any other endemic species aside from a tree kangaroo (given the saltie and cassowary are also found elsewhere). All three of the monitors I've highlighted here are Oceanian, but this is the epicentre of varanid diversity in regards to both ecological diversity and species diversity so it shouldn't come as a surprise.

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Outside of varanids, the only other lizards I can think of that match well with the previous trends set for habitat lizards are the tegus, which essentially fill the role of varanids in the Neotropics. Of these, the most famous and obvious species to add would be the Argentine Black-and-white Tegu (#243), which is also the largest. Alongside representing a new family, they would be the first habitat lizard for the New World and give representation to both South America's rainforests and its drier regions.

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Even if they're not much of a priority for you, I hope this thread encourages some interest in adding more habitat lizards to the game. Which species that I did not cover here would you like to see?
 
sailfin dragon
😍 We still need those in the Game

I don't necessarily consider them the best choice for a new habitat lizard or even an Australian varanid from an objective perspective. They're only found in two zoos outside Australia, one in Europe and one in the US, and although they're much more widespread in captivity in their home country (even being present in the private reptile trade) they're still not the most common varanid species in local zoos.
Nice to hear that they are way more common in australian Zoos and even as Pets. Even though they are so rare outside of Australia I would absolutely love to have them in the Game.

The Lace Monitor and the Crocodile Monitor would be also nice because they belong in one of the two other Categorys of Monitor Lizards that I want to have. I want a arboreal Monitor Lizard in the Game.

The other Category I want is a herbivorous Monitor Lizard.

Would also be great if we would get a Tegu Species.

Now to the ones that aren't actually the Topic of this Thread🙃:
Regarding the Mention of Tortoises:
I would really like the African spurred Tortoise and the Red footed Tortoise or a similar one (definitely want a relatively small one that we can have free roaming in Tropical Houses)

There's one Type of Habitat Reptile that you forgot to mention. Turtles. I would really love to have a big Species of Softshell Turtle

😍 Can we please just have one DLC that is entirely focused on Reptiles?🦎🐢
 
😍 We still need those in the Game


Nice to hear that they are way more common in australian Zoos and even as Pets. Even though they are so rare outside of Australia I would absolutely love to have them in the Game.

The Lace Monitor and the Crocodile Monitor would be also nice because they belong in one of the two other Categorys of Monitor Lizards that I want to have. I want a arboreal Monitor Lizard in the Game.

The other Category I want is a herbivorous Monitor Lizard.

Would also be great if we would get a Tegu Species.

Now to the ones that aren't actually the Topic of this Thread🙃:
Regarding the Mention of Tortoises:
I would really like the African spurred Tortoise and the Red footed Tortoise or a similar one (definitely want a relatively small one that we can have free roaming in Tropical Houses)

There's one Type of Habitat Reptile that you forgot to mention. Turtles. I would really love to have a big Species of Softshell Turtle

😍 Can we please just have one DLC that is entirely focused on Reptiles?🦎🐢
There are no herbivorous monitors, the closest thing to that really would be tegus, but those guys are neither monitors nor herbivores.
While i do love reptiles, lizards especially, a full reptile pack would be about the most boring thing ever imo. Because you would be really ristricted in your choice. Since snakes wont work for habitats youre left with lizards, crocs and turtles. Crocodilians we already have plenty of, turtle wise you are pretty much stuck with tortoises, since the habitat sized aquatic turtles like alligator snappers or giant softshells stay almost motionless, underwater 95% of the time. For lizards the only ones suited as habitat animals besides monitors, are tegus MAYBE caiman lizards.

So a hypothetical reptile pack would be something like: Nile crocodile, sulcata tortoise, B&W Tegu, Perentie and exhibit animal. And a pack like this kinda MUST be a scenery pack because i really dont know how you would fill up the roster with 3 more animals to go for an animal pack. You would have to go with a second croc, tortoise, monitor respectively and that would be really weird.
A reptile pack would really be just reskins and prob the least selling pack by a mile
 
There are no herbivorous monitors, the closest thing to that really would be tegus, but those guys are neither monitors nor herbivores.
While i do love reptiles, lizards especially, a full reptile pack would be about the most boring thing ever imo. Because you would be really ristricted in your choice. Since snakes wont work for habitats youre left with lizards, crocs and turtles. Crocodilians we already have plenty of, turtle wise you are pretty much stuck with tortoises, since the habitat sized aquatic turtles like alligator snappers or giant softshells stay almost motionless, underwater 95% of the time. For lizards the only ones suited as habitat animals besides monitors, are tegus MAYBE caiman lizards.

So a hypothetical reptile pack would be something like: Nile crocodile, sulcata tortoise, B&W Tegu, Perentie and exhibit animal. And a pack like this kinda MUST be a scenery pack because i really dont know how you would fill up the roster with 3 more animals to go for an animal pack. You would have to go with a second croc, tortoise, monitor respectively and that would be really weird.
A reptile pack would really be just reskins and prob the least selling pack by a mile
Still think a tegu could be a cool thing for something like a grasslands pack tho
 
I disagree about leaving rhinoceros iguanas out just because they are iguanas.
They are much more terrestrial living than the other iguanas we got, so animations shouldn't be more complicated than most monitors.


And you tend to find them in pretty big enclosures in real life, at least for a lizard.

Having tegus as habitat species but not these seems odd to me.
 
#FreeTheIguanas
I absolutly agree with all if your points, especally about the varanids.
As a little funfact, i actually had the first ever vote for the crocodile monitor on the meta wishlist and still would love to see them in the game!
A new guinea section of cassowary, crocodile monitor, victorian crowned pidgeon and tree kangaroo has been a small dream of mine for a long time and i really hope that one day atleast 2 of those 3 will be in the game
 
I disagree about leaving rhinoceros iguanas out just because they are iguanas.
They are much more terrestrial living than the other iguanas we got, so animations shouldn't be more complicated than most monitors.


And you tend to find them in pretty big enclosures in real life, at least for a lizard.

Having tegus as habitat species but not these seems odd to me.
I would absolutely love those as a Habitat Animal
 
And you tend to find them in pretty big enclosures in real life, at least for a lizard.
Trust me I know, the ones at my local zoo are kept in a big outdoor enclosure and them being stuck in an exhibit box would look weird to me thanks to that alone. I would prefer them as habitat animals, but given green iguanas are just as large and kept in an exhibit I'm not sure how Frontier would treat them.
 
Trust me I know, the ones at my local zoo are kept in a big outdoor enclosure and them being stuck in an exhibit box would look weird to me thanks to that alone. I would prefer them as habitat animals, but given green iguanas are just as large and kept in an exhibit I'm not sure how Frontier would treat them.
I understand that point of view.

But in the end, we also don't know how Frontier would treat aboral lizards outside of exhibits or lizards smaller than nile monitors.

If one species of a family being in an exhibit rules out another species of that family being in a habitat, is not something we know if Frontier has an opinion on.

We at least know they will allow the same orders being represented in both exhibits and habitats, so maybe they will take it a step down too.
 
Trust me I know, the ones at my local zoo are kept in a big outdoor enclosure and them being stuck in an exhibit box would look weird to me thanks to that alone. I would prefer them as habitat animals, but given green iguanas are just as large and kept in an exhibit I'm not sure how Frontier would treat them.
Really hope we'll get them at least as Walkthrough Animals even though Habitat would be a thousand times more awesome. Since before we even saw the Exhibits for the first Time I wanted to keep them in a proper Enclosure
 
I understand that point of view.

But in the end, we also don't know how Frontier would treat aboral lizards outside of exhibits or lizards smaller than nile monitors.

If one species of a family being in an exhibit rules out another species of that family being in a habitat, is not something we know if Frontier has an opinion on.

We at least know they will allow the same orders being represented in both exhibits and habitats, so maybe they will take it a step down too.
That seems fair too. If we do get rhinoceros iguanas as habitat animals, they'd absolutely be one of my most wanted animals for a potential islands pack. First herbivorous habitat lizard that also provides representation for the Caribbean and looks like a 19th century Iguanodon depiction? Yes please.

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That seems fair too. If we do get rhinoceros iguanas as habitat animals, they'd absolutely be one of my most wanted animals for a potential islands pack. First herbivorous habitat lizard that also provides representation for the Caribbean and looks like a 19th century Iguanodon depiction? Yes please.

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Exactly, they could bring something quite unique to our habitat roster.
 
Another South American lizard that I think could have potential as a habitat species is the Northern caiman lizard.

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They are in the same family as the tegu lizards but are much more peaceable as they feed on a diet of snails and basically nothing else. This means they can be mixed with other small animals that a similarly sized tegu or monitor would eat, such as marmosets, pacas, bats, small birds, other lizards and fish. Of the other habitat animals already in Planet Zoo, the one I know they have been kept successfully with is the Cuvier's dwarf caiman.

They can grow to around five feet, roughly the same size as the average Nile monitor. They are highly aquatic and well able to dive underwater - this would be a good opportunity to add diving behaviour to the Nile monitor as well. They can also be kept in large open-air enclosures, such as this example in Zoo Miami:
 
That seems fair too. If we do get rhinoceros iguanas as habitat animals, they'd absolutely be one of my most wanted animals for a potential islands pack. First herbivorous habitat lizard that also provides representation for the Caribbean and looks like a 19th century Iguanodon depiction? Yes please.

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Just had one Thought about this. If we would get those, Frontier would probably be able to transfer its Animations to the other Iguanas 😍👍

They can grow to around five feet, roughly the same size as the average Nile monitor. They are highly aquatic and well able to dive underwater - this would be a good opportunity to add diving behaviour to the Nile monitor as well. They can also be kept in large open-air enclosures, such as this example in Zoo Miami:
Cool, didn't know they get so big. Would be nice in a Tropical House together with Egyptian Fruit Bats👍
 
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