New Trading Tool - Cmdr's Log v1.1!

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Sandmann

Sandmann
NeilF said:
I use a spreadsheet, and the ONLY thing I record it price. If something is HIGH and LOW demand across two systems and the price difference it 20CR, 200CR or 2000CR, you'll look very differently at the trade surely? So price is surely the most important information? Clearly I'm missing something?

And low prices due to MED/HIGH supply and high prices due to HIGH demand are that predictable that noting prices just isn't worth it? ie: A simple proportion of the item's cost?
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You're right.. this tool isn't going to tell you "carry cobalt instead of copper coz you'll make 500CR more". That's part of the beauty of it from my point of view.. it feels like ME doing the trading, ME deciding that reactive armour's better here, but resonating separators there and so on. This just tells me "last time you were at this station they really wanted beer and palladium, liked wine a little bit, and didn't want fish at all" but it leaves it up to me toi work out that palladium gives me more profit than beer.

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NeilF said:
OK... I'll take a look... But why not allow a price to be entered if people want to?
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I think it's got more to do with the author not wanting to be bothered coding it in - he's written what he wants to use and very kindly made it available to us too. If you want a PC based tool that records pricess they're already out there.

NeilF said:
Are you saying if two systems have HIGH demand for Gold, that they will have the same buy price? And it's not possible one is 300CR more than the other? If you'd noted this, you then know it might be worthwhile heading to that one instead!
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Yep, other tools have that degree of granularity, this one's more coarse. You can keep notes in it if you feel compelled to do so, and comparing the sell/buy price to the galactic average will get you close to the money. This is a tool for a trader who wants to do the work himself and just record the bare minimum, not for a trader who wants a computer to maximise his profits to the last credit.
 

Kramster

Kramster
katheb said:
Are these tools against the rules? I don't want to try it out and find out it is evil!
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As the only way to populate the data files is by recording it yourself, it is on a par with pen & paper as far as rules go....so no it's fine
Cannot vouch for the evil part though...
 

Seonid

Seonid
Sandmann said:
This just tells me "last time you were at this station they really wanted beer and palladium, liked wine a little bit, and didn't want fish at all" but it leaves it up to me toi work out that palladium gives me more profit than beer.
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And it also easily handles the "Bring me X tons of Y" missions as well. The only maintenance I'm needing so far is checking once a day that the supply and demand levels have not changed, which takes all of 30 seconds.
 

PiLhEaD

PiLhEaD
Renaming a station's system

I've just noticed a small feature.

If I rename (button) a station, and change its system, all other stations in that system have their system name changed as well.

So, if in error you allocate a station to the wrong system (I did), then to move it to the correct system, you either need to delete it and re-enter it (not a big job), or close the app, and manually edit the system_data.txt - my preferred solution.

I got a bit confused when I hit this problem - otherwise, I'm loving this app - it really feels in the spirit of ED.
 

charognard

charognard
I was interrested by this tool, cause it s what i m doing with my excel sheet, but no possibility to enter prices is really damagable, and i ll stay with my excel, sorry, but good work.
 

bujin

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Gave it a quick try last night. Nice app.

If I could add a request, it would be to speed up commodity data entry using the keyboard. I was using it on a laptop with a trackpad and it took ages to add the values for one station. Data entry could be done on the keyboard, using the up and down arrows to move through the commodity list, and the left and right arrows to cycle through the states, e.g. left cycles through none-low demand-med demand-high demand, right cycles through none-low supply-med supply-high supply. Just a thought...

As it takes so long at the moment, I am going to stick with using my Access database, but I would come back to this tool if its data entry is enhanced.
 

ArchV1

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Every time I log out at night and come back in the morning, there's 3 more pages on this thread! Awesome... I think. Just means I'm still on the hook for keeping people satisfied! I'll work on it more tonight and through in a few of the ideas that have been floating around, but come release day (TOMORROW!) updates will slow down for sure ;)

Here's the stuff I'm going to TRY to get done before release:
  • Black Market Check
  • Economy Field
  • Govermnent Field
  • Alliance Field
  • Notes searching
  • Investigate keyboard commands (may not make it though)
  • Investigate window resizing (probably won't make it though)
  • Bug fixes, the few that there are.
  • Change the title on the data entry window to have the station name! (good suggestion)

Stations features has been the most commonly requested thing; so I think it's only fair that I get some of those in there. Especially for those *sigh* pirates.
I'll see what I can do though, I might only have a couple hours of time tonight to work on this.
 
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drukqs

drukqs
nice app m8...i was doing exactly this (only registering high demand/supply) on a spreadsheet...i'll start using this app :) many tks!
 

Ouaisne

Ouaisne
charognard said:
I was interrested by this tool, cause it s what i m doing with my excel sheet, but no possibility to enter prices is really damagable, and i ll stay with my excel, sorry, but good work.
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I have been using a spreadsheet for several weeks and to start with it worked quite well. Since Gamma however I have noticed prices changing quite quickly and not the right way! Have also tried using some of the other online tools and in the last week or so have found if the data is more than a day or two old it has often resulted in a loss. A couple of nights ago I travelled over 20 Ly only to find a 38k profit only turned out to be a 3k profit - hardly paid for the fuel. So the logic of this tool is quite understandable and I intend to give it a go as it does take quite a while to check all the prices each time you dock and this tool should be better in that respect.
 

chaseydog

chaseydog
@ArchV1 Great job on the tool and looking forward to the enhancements you've proposed, though you certainly deserve some game time first. I had been using one of the other trade tools earlier on in local mode but found that the tool presented way more information than I needed, so much so that what was important got lost in the forest. I love the simplicity of the tool and see the lack of price information as a feature rather than a detriment. I don't use the radio buttons but the proposal to use the F keys sounds interesting. End of the day though you created the tool to suite your needs and I'd encourage you to stick by your guns on that account. I'm just appreciative that you chose to share it with the community.

Cheers, Bob
 

Sandmann

Sandmann
hey Arch.. quick question. If I reorder some of the items in "commodity_data.txt" but don't change the order to match in "system_data.txt" is it gonna break things?
 

Daveblaz

Daveblaz
Thanks, this app is great,

there is one weird thing happening for me ,

once the program is opened for the 1st time if i click and add a station/system say station "A" System "A" its fine all the info comes up "not set",
but if I then enter another station/system say station "B" system "B" the data that shows at first is set to the same as Station "A" and not as "not set"
 

ArchV1

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Daveblaz said:
Thanks, this app is great,

there is one weird thing happening for me ,

once the program is opened for the 1st time if i click and add a station/system say station "A" System "A" its fine all the info comes up "not set",
but if I then enter another station/system say station "B" system "B" the data that shows at first is set to the same as Station "A" and not as "not set"
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Yeah known issue, will be fixed in the next version. After adding a station, just click on the newly added station to make sure it's the one selected.
 

ArchV1

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Sandmann said:
hey Arch.. quick question. If I reorder some of the items in "commodity_data.txt" but don't change the order to match in "system_data.txt" is it gonna break things?
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It shouldn't matter. However, reordering in the commodities data file only affects how they appear at the beginning. If you use any of the sort buttons then you'd never be able to get back to your original ordering from the data file (if it's custom and not ordered by what a sort would do anyway!)
 

Sandmann

Sandmann
ArchV1 said:
It shouldn't matter. However, reordering in the commodities data file only affects how they appear at the beginning. If you use any of the sort buttons then you'd never be able to get back to your original ordering from the data file (if it's custom and not ordered by what a sort would do anyway!)
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Excellent, thanks for that Arch. FYI the latest game update seems to have introduced a new commodity - Chemical Waste. Also the patch notes spoke about changing the "waste" category to an "other" category and including slaves in "other" (no mention of imperial slaves, I'd assume them too though) however this doesn't seem to have happened yet.
 

Niddi

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Hey ArchV1 :) You should put a screenshot in the initial post. I know that there is one hidden in the other thread, but you know how people are ;)
 
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