It's all subjective, but for me ED's a keeper even if dev stops tomorrow. I don't play it exclusively but it's a permanent install, like UFO enemy unknown.
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It's all subjective, but for me ED's a keeper even if dev stops tomorrow. I don't play it exclusively but it's a permanent install, like UFO enemy unknown.
Not that I care either way, but I wanted to address your argument as it's flawed.
HG has one game to work on whereas FDEV has more is irrelevant when you consider that FDEV has a larger team, that has dedicated personnel working on each game.
FDEV has released multiple games is irrelevant for the same reason as above. (Larger team means they can work on more than one project at once)
Both companies issued multiple expansions/iterations, negates your third reason. (Plus, all of HG's 'expansions' were free, unlike FDEV)
I am all for giving credit to both teams, as there is room for both in my universe, but FDEV is nothing special in my eyes compared to HG, just the larger company.
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Just a question, given HG's position at release of NMS, and their diminished player base, if they had offered their update Next as a paid expansion, how many player do you think would have paid for it? I suspect not many.
What this has to do with anything? Why would they do that?
Also, they can do whatever they want. Just like Frontier. Just like any company.
They made a smart business decision to put content updates for free.
The players will be more willing to pay for DLC content in the future, seeing the game becoming increasingly more polished and diverse.
I had my money ready since last year to dump some money into Elite, if they release some good updates, and they didn't since then imo. Oh well.
Well the OP that I quoted did make the distinction that the HG expansions were free, so I assumed that it meant something to him. I just posed the question to his statement. As for the 'smart decision' I believe they didn't have a choice, their expansion had to be given free or the game would have died.
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Whatever helps ye sleep at night...the topic of this thread is not something I would debate with you...others certainly but not you...and ye know why before ye ask...isnt is strange ye can resort to insults yersrlf and still take the higher ground, and then use the exact same argument on another thread.
Let’s not forget you lost the rag and got personal long before I did...same logic applies to you then yes?
Or has ye a selective memory?
So pretty much like the Beyond season.
Most of the people I've talked to who play the game really don't come to the forums anymore. Too much salt, too much negativity. You are made to feel that if you enjoy the game in even a small amount, you cannot say it without being shouted down by detractors who are 'Passionate' about kicking the game and the developers down.
So we try to ignore the trolls, the back seat developers (hey if you've can code it better, go write your own space game) and the salt miners who try to mine salt for salt's sake and carry on playing the game.
You need to source that, I seem to remember you asked me how I got away with being so rude and I told you to try just posting positively as it's enough to make people meltdown and call you names (including rude).
I don't think I've ever actually insulted you.
It's not nitpicking when it's categorically wrong.
That's weird, not even a year ago it was the exact opposite.
Hey I have X bug, what do I do?
"It's on your end"
"It never happened to me, so it doesn't exist"
"It's your ISP, even if all the other mmorpgs and online fps you play don't give you any problems whatsoever"
You know, it would be nice to have Y feature, what do you think guys?
"Why don't you play something else"
"If you don't like complex games go play cod"
"That's YOUR opinion I like the game as it is"
"Why don't you start developing software, uh?"
"Even dogs can come up with a few ideas"
Times change I guess
It should be obvious by how much I complain that I enjoy the game a great deal.
Also, on the forums I can block people who's arguments consist of little more than paranoid accusations of ulterior motives or other personal attacks. I can't block anyone in game without running the risk of harming instancing.
See, another bit of constructive criticism! We should have a chat only block feature in game. That way players can still borrow my bandwidth and processing power to instance with my CMDR, and can still shoot at him, but I would have my chat window filled with excessive and distracting levels of nonsense.
This.
The physics work when you don't notice them but don't when you want to. No flight model and no orbit of planets - ED does a "fake" orbit as some guy proved a year or two ago in a massive post where he tested out orbiting. Also ED generates planets way too far out for things like gas giants as another forum user pointed out the other day.
You are right, my bad, NMS didn't have much choice there.
Well.. yeah
And I think Elite similarly to NMS didn't have much choice to put a paid DLC after Horizons due to a number of unsatisfied players being vocal (Steam, reddit, etc)
Now, like NMS, Frontier is putting out content for free for a year, to potentially get the trust of the customers back, increase the income from those players, and have a chance to put out paid DLC with players being "ok" to pay for it.
I think the paid content will come after Chapter 4, which will be sink or swim for Elite, depending how polished C4 will be.
You are right, my bad, NMS didn't have much choice there.
Well.. yeah
And I think Elite similarly to NMS didn't have much choice to put a paid DLC after Horizons due to a number of unsatisfied players being vocal (Steam, reddit, etc)
Now, like NMS, Frontier is putting out content for free for a year, to potentially get the trust of the customers back, increase the income from those players, and have a chance to put out paid DLC with players being "ok" to pay for it.
I think the paid content will come after Chapter 4, which will be sink or swim for Elite, depending how polished C4 will be.
Agreed.
As a hypothetical question (I already asked it earlier) I wonder if ED would get the same high player numbers that NMS currently has if they released Beyond in one big update rather than several smaller ones.
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I presume that by FD you meant just Elite, correct? Let's have a look at what both teams have put out since NMS was launched in August 2016 and any upcoming plans that we are aware of so far (you can click on the links for the details):
Elite:
Guardians
Commanders
The Return
Beyond chapter 1
Beyond chapter 2
Upcoming this year (within 4 months): Beyond chapters 3 and 4
No Mans Sky:
Foundation
Pathfinder
Atlas Rises
Next
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Speak your brainz.
That's weird, not even a year ago it was the exact opposite.
Hey I have X bug, what do I do?
"It's on your end"
"It never happened to me, so it doesn't exist"
"It's your ISP, even if all the other mmorpgs and online fps you play don't give you any problems whatsoever"
You know, it would be nice to have Y feature, what do you think guys?
"Why don't you play something else"
"If you don't like complex games go play cod"
"That's YOUR opinion I like the game as it is"
"Why don't you start developing software, uh?"
"Even dogs can come up with a few ideas"
Times change I guess
The Elite: Dangerous community elsewhere (twitch, lavecon, charity drives, even some places on Reddit) is one of the most supportive and kindest compared to other game communities I've found. I would say that it's this forum's Detractors Vs White Knight Mentality has driven people away from the forums. I've been shouted down many times and I'm don't consider myself I White Knight (look how grumpy on Lave Radio I was with when multi-crew came out for one of many examples).
What I do have is an understanding of how long these things take to develop and implement into any game, something that does seem to be lacking here. So what's the point in trying to get people to understand how this kind of game development and project management works when you get abuse for trying to point out what's possible or what's not. I think ever since the 2.3 release and the amount of salt that kicked off, Frontier are a lot less willing to talk about new features coming up. They've taken a page out of Sean Murray's book and refuse to talk about things like Space legs, Atmospherics, New SRVs or SRV in Multi-crew. I to be honest I don't blame them.
To me, MNS is quite enjoyable and will probably become my 'B' game. It has got me thinking about how much I would like Atmospheric Landings, new Vehicles and Elite Feet in Elite: Dangerous but I know (when I put my development head on so to speak) how much work those things are going to take so I'm patiently waiting (and we will have to be patient). Hopefully NMS will supply a place for all those want that walking around itch scratched in the meantime.
Interesting, I remember the opposite being true. Any details?