See? They've sent out copies to reviewers. That'll solve this silly debate.
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I don't want anyone getting an advanced copy - all ill do is watch their videos and feel annoyed I hadn't found it myself
Its like going back 20 years. People would move hell and highwater to avoid the football scores and watch the highlights of the matches on match of the day Some one would always ruin it and tell you - or SCD results people want to tell you who has been eliminated on Saturday night. I actually want to know when the BBC want to tell me on Sunday night not when some blabber mouth wants to reveal all to feel important
I Will look at the you tube videos for sure but I want to look at them AFTER I have looked myself
Its like going back 20 years. People would move hell and highwater to avoid the football scores and watch the highlights of the matches on match of the day Some one would always ruin it and tell you - or SCD results people want to tell you who has been eliminated on Saturday night. I actually want to know when the BBC want to tell me on Sunday night not when some blabber mouth wants to reveal all to feel important
I Will look at the you tube videos for sure but I want to look at them AFTER I have looked myself
It doesn't. The point here is that, purportedly, Frontier is too selective in its sending out of review copies, only sending them to publishers it deems sufficiently supportive. There's two discussions to be had here; one about facts (did/does Frontier actually do this?), the other about values (is it good/bad that Frontier does this?).
With regards to the facts, IGN's claims would be quite easy to deny or disprove, so the fact that Frontier does not deny them suggests to me that this indeed has happened. I see no good reason for IGN to lie about this. The OP claims other publishers also got this treatment, but unfortunately provides no evidence for that.
Then there's the values. As far as I know, Frontier is under no serious obligation to send out any review copies whatsoever. I'm not up to date on the industry standard, so I'm open to the idea that selective spreading of copies among professional reviewers is actually standard practice in this field. In that case, I'd say Frontier is just a child of its time and going with the flow. If it isn't standard practice, but rather a strong deviation of industry standards in order to 'game' the system that hopes to provide objective and trustworthy reviews, then I would say it is a rather unfortunate decision for which Frontier should get some push-back.
I just don´t see why people don´t see the problem here :/. It makes me very suspicious about the game quality, as I don´t think Frontier trust their own game. I see they send the game only to those sites where it´s higger chance for favourable rating, because they seem to be "fans" of the game. Biiiig thumbs down to Frontier....
There's zero obligation for Frontier to send a free copy for review, just like there's zero obligation for reviewers to give a good review.
If Frontier are guilty of only sending it to supportive people/companies then that's no big deal at all. Supportive isn't always good criticism and the likes. If I owned a company that produced a product and wanted it reviewed, you'd be damn right that I'd only send it to people who actually care about the product and have shown previous interest in it. I'd get the best and most honest reviews from those who genuinely care and have shown that rather than someone or some people who have literally only shown interest for a tiny brief moment just to try and secure a free version of the product in order to then generate free income for themselves by writing a little paragraph.
If Frontier are guilty of only sending it to supportive people/companies then that's no big deal at all. Supportive isn't always good criticism and the likes. If I owned a company that produced a product and wanted it reviewed, you'd be damn right that I'd only send it to people who actually care about the product and have shown previous interest in it. I'd get the best and most honest reviews from those who genuinely care and have shown that rather than someone or some people who have literally only shown interest for a tiny brief moment just to try and secure a free version of the product in order to then generate free income for themselves by writing a little paragraph.
Sure, but then expect fans will react somehow. And that is also our right, to express our concerns and that´s why some of us do that. Also, I really don´t hear that often that some specific site was denied to receive a review copy....
There are NDA regarding strictly - still gets out - people want to feel big as soon as two people know something its not a secret anymore. Put up one video you are not supposed to on the internet and its gone and can never be recaptured and put away ever again. Even if you have an NDA if some one releases anything the NDA doesn't matter you can never get in back
Yeah, but the problem is, that it's 1 person stating Frontier does this, but there is no proof or evidence for it, not even of the message he supposedly received from Frontier.
So without the facts, the rest doesn't matter. In short to me it is just a lot of B S untill proven otherwise.
I'm also trying to figure out what the intended goal of this Very Scary Editor is with the Tweet, clearly only to bash Frontier....
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But they DID send review copies out! So why still the thumbs?
Anyway ... would they have not done this, I would have to have agreed with you - due to a very bad experience in the past.
I do remember, when Egosoft refused to provide preview copies for X-Rebirth. Based on my previous good impressions of their games, I preordered nevertheless.
Oh man, did I regret this! Since then, unwillingless to let a game preview is a red flag for me.
But they did send the copies, they are willing to risk open critique, apparently they managed to fix (most of) the beta bugs ... everything is fine and I am looking forward to next Tuesday very much!
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if it wasn´t true, I´m sure Bo would say that. Instead of that, she went with typical "no comment". If my company was accused of this practice and it wasn´t true, I would definitely fight back with proper statement. In the end, Bo actually confirmed it´s true....
That´s maybe even worse. They denied certain site, that didn´t rate previous game very good. That´s not ok in my eyes. I would understand that, if IGN leaked something in the past. I just don´t see a valid reason to denie them.But they DID send review copies out! So why still the thumbs?
Anyway ... would they have not done this, I would have to have agreed with you - due to a very bad experience in the past.
I do remember, when Egosoft refused to provide preview copies for X-Rebirth. Based on my previous good impressions I had from their games, I preordered neverthelss.
Oh man, did I regret this! Since then, unwillingless to let a game preview is a red flag for me.
But they did send the copies, they are willing to risk open critique, apparently they managed to fix (most of) the beta bugs ... everything is fine and I am looking forward to next Tuesday very much!
There's no proof of Frontier saying what he said they said.
The only facts we have is :
1) He claims he didn't receive his free copy of a game and is extremely unhappy and bitter about reportedly not receiving his totally free game that he wants to use to make himself money
2) He took the worst possible route to rectify this issue. Instead of talking it out with Frontier discreetly he decided to go on the offensive and do what he can to slander and hurt Frontiers Reputation.
If anything, all he's shown is that he doesn't deserve a copy and that giving this man-child one would have been the wrong thing to do in the first place.
Just stumbled upon this: says enough about this "Dan Stapleton".
https://cheezburger.com/245509/dan-stapleton-calls-out-youtuber-angry-joe-on-twitter
Honestly, I would fight back with a court order for defamation. But I wouldn't say I'm intended of doing that on a public forum.
Not everything needs to be said and shared on this forum.
Some people can read such stuff, and see it's just someone being sour of apparantly being left out of a deal they weren't even part of.
https://cheezburger.com/245509/dan-stapleton-calls-out-youtuber-angry-joe-on-twitter
Honestly, I would fight back with a court order for defamation. But I wouldn't say I'm intended of doing that on a public forum.
Not everything needs to be said and shared on this forum.
Some people can read such stuff, and see it's just someone being sour of apparantly being left out of a deal they weren't even part of.
I don't really understand the worry, our german magazines are very excited for Planet Zoo and they understand the potential, I didn't even read something bad in their articles and they tested the beta. Planet Zoo will do great and for the community it doesn't matter much, what reviews are saying... even if still something is "wrong" at release, we are sure that Frontier will take care of it, like they did in the past. We can trust them and balancing needs time too - in Simulation Games the developing never stop. These games are on the market for a long time and are played a long time and there is always progression. Stop the worry and be excited for Nov. 5th! 
Hi Bo, I’m grateful for your reply and to hear that reviews will be out there.
As I said, I welcomed hearing clarification and it’s an added bonus to hear all is going well and that the game is “100% ready for launch”
I’m excited to play PZ on November 5th and to share blueprints and dive into the campaign and share screenshots etc.
All the best,
C
Now that I thought about it, couldn't one of the youtubers just post a video titled, "Planet Zoo Review" or something like that? It qualifies as a game review most of you wanted.
(do tell me if there were any youtubers who did)
(do tell me if there were any youtubers who did)
People would act this way if for chance, IGN got a beta key for the game, but chose not to cover said Beta, which I believe probably happened.
Not to mention, who knows if the guy was telling the truth? He could just be lying, since he didn't get a copy and others did. I mean, he has no real proof, or screenshots of the thing Frontier sent him.
Anything IGN says should be taken with a grain of salt. I don’t know why anyone would go off anything they said. Their reviews are sloppy and just sometimes kind of a joke. If people are really returning games because frontier may have decided to not give IGN a review copy like? Ok your loss I guess. They have “reviewers” if you can call them that review games with categories they don’t like, which means no matter what, some games get low scores because it’s not the reviewers type of game. Like that’s not how reviewing works bud.
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