I'm positive I woul'd back up online player who were deceived in believing they will get one. surely I woul'd not be making fun of them, question their motives, attacking them and telling them to shut up and get lost.
No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
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I'm positive I woul'd back up online player who were deceived in believing they will get one. surely I woul'd not be making fun of them, question their motives, attacking them and telling them to shut up and get lost.
I shall refrain from voicing my personal opinion on what you currently sound like because I do not wish to make it personal, but you must understand that this kind of attitude is only making matters worse. Try to show some respect, even if you have to fake it. I know it's hard, believe me I do, but there is very little hope for a civilized exchange of opinions with that kind of talk.
Once again, no, they did not "change a feature". They scrapped a whole game mode which for many people was the main if not the only reason they paid for the game in the first place. Some of us simply have no time, no patience, or absolutely no interest in MMOs, shared gaming experiences or any of that stuff.
We ordered a vegeterian pizza, you ordered a pizza with anchovies. For some reason, we both got anchovies. Now you're happy and can't wait to sink your teeth into your meal, but we find anchovies gross, so we're asking to please get what we paid for, or our money back, and you're telling us to "stop whining and just eat it". Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
The tally was pushed way past success, with the stretch goals of +10 ships and Mac version. You are making a pretty bold claim in saying that success was completely tied to the off-line version.
You have nothing to complain about anyway. They attempted to add the off-line version. It's a typical KS project and game project. When decisions have to be made, I hope you can see that the on-line MMO was always the primary goal, and the off-line a secondary sub-project.
Yep, targeted ads that everyone must agree to in the EULA (section 8)
Didnt try to limit my connection because its still beta 3.5 so results are not worth much anyway.
But basicaly now network traffic is zero, with some activity when syncinc with server: entering exiting SC, FTL jumps, docking 5-10 Kb/s for few seconds, loading bulletin board 15 Kb/s for 1 second, loading commodities market 180 Kb/s for one second.
Anything else is zero or below 0.01 Kb/s
So right now it should be very well playable on very crappy connection.
But basicaly now network traffic is zero, with some activity when syncinc with server: entering exiting SC, FTL jumps, docking 5-10 Kb/s for few seconds, loading bulletin board 15 Kb/s for 1 second, loading commodities market 180 Kb/s for one second.
Anything else is zero or below 0.01 Kb/s
So right now it should be very well playable on very crappy connection.
Well said. Even people who wouldn't pledge for an online-only game, would probably try the online version if it was optional.
And this would be in the benefit of onliners.
Currently offliners feel that online mode is being shoved down their throats by FD and onliners alike. The rage is only natural.
Yes: go ask for a refund, get it denied and remain stuck with a game you can't play.
Or with no connection at all...
Maybe they should consult Sim city crew how to do that
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As said before by others, your concern for your fellow Elite backers really is touching.
I look forward to that first evening where I'm online, then I get booted out, and it's either my internet or their servers that have gone down, and there goes the rest of my day. Or I get home from work and they're down for scheduled maintenance for six hours, so I can't play at all. Hell, I know it's coming, it's only a matter of time.
But hey, Krait, when it does, we can meet up here and chat the time away. Won't that be fun? It'll be just what you wanted, mate!
I feel ashamed of myself for not participating in this very serious matter earlier - my new VDSL internet connection made me languid. But I want to raise my voice nonetheless. I am with all of you who have supported monetary-wise Frontier and now you get the off-line "door" slammed straight into your face - into MY face as well. No matter if we have VDSL, fiberoptic or whatever super-dooper connection - THIS WAS A PROMISED FEATURE.
I haven't read all the previous thread 667 pages so what I am going to say below may have already been posted multiple times so I apologize for reposting the same thing, there is no way I am going to read 700pages.
Frontier is really securing a money-making-cow with deciding to drop off the off-line game: With on-line ONLY there is virtually no-way for hackers to exploit ED as on-line is centrally maintained and controlled. With off-line they would probably loose a lot of money as the off-line executable can be tampered and exploited. BUT this decision for on-line only may turn against them in the long term especially if they decide to push it even further and make it online & subscription only a-la EVE online.
Many games are both online and offline and yes, the offline is pirated and hacked but so what? If the game is good it will pay off in the long term, game reviews will be positive and customers / players will be happy. More will recommend the game to their friends and revenues will grow exponentially as more will be tempted to buy the genuine after playing the pirated offline one.
People and space simmers please continue to raise your voice with Frontier and demand an offline version to be build and released in the near or at least medium future. A Q4 2015 would be a reasonable deadline. Even if this means for other major updates such as planetary flights to be delayed more. I want planetary flight as much as anything but offline *is* a priority. Period.
Good luck and may the Force be with You...
I haven't read all the previous thread 667 pages so what I am going to say below may have already been posted multiple times so I apologize for reposting the same thing, there is no way I am going to read 700pages
.Frontier is really securing a money-making-cow with deciding to drop off the off-line game: With on-line ONLY there is virtually no-way for hackers to exploit ED as on-line is centrally maintained and controlled
. With off-line they would probably loose a lot of money as the off-line executable can be tampered and exploited. BUT this decision for on-line only may turn against them in the long term especially if they decide to push it even further and make it online & subscription only a-la EVE online.Many games are both online and offline and yes, the offline is pirated and hacked but so what? If the game is good it will pay off in the long term, game reviews will be positive and customers / players will be happy. More will recommend the game to their friends and revenues will grow exponentially as more will be tempted to buy the genuine after playing the pirated offline one.
People and space simmers please continue to raise your voice with Frontier and demand an offline version to be build and released in the near or at least medium future. A Q4 2015 would be a reasonable deadline. Even if this means for other major updates such as planetary flights to be delayed more. I want planetary flight as much as anything but offline *is* a priority. Period.
Good luck and may the Force be with You...
This might be a surprise to some, but I agree.
In the best of cases players will be outnumbered one hundred thousand to one by stars. A million to one by NPCs. If you only take into account "human Space" we'll have, at best, an average of ten players per star.
Not only that, but the whole Elite concept (if there's anything left of that) and Frontier themselves tell us that players won't be the kind of people who influence things on the grand scale.
We're not potentates, presidents, kings, or crime lords.
We're regular joes.
We're truckers, mercenaries, small crooks, petty criminals.
We're anything but influential.
Many of us will have less effect on the galaxy's society and economy than they have in real life.
We can't even gang up or organize, we won't have EVE-style guilds or corporations, Elite is everyone out for themselves.
Player influence on galactic economy and politics makes no sense. It's a mathematical impossibility. Marketspeak. Hogwash.
Elite: Dangerous, except for combat (and this only in non-solo mode), is, like all previous Elite games, a single player game, by sheer mathematical imperative.
So, if a "player influenced dynamic galaxy" will be indistinguishable from a procedurally generated one, I wonder... why the heck even bother!?
Frontier's "VISION™" makes no sense whatsoever, at least as publicly advertised.
Of course, there are plenty of other equally or even more valid reasons to want an offline mode.
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And what exactly do you suppose was the primary catalyst to the final surge? Additions of the Physical DRM-free tiers, the addition of offline support to the FAQ and numerous responses to direct questions as well as the reddit AMA where the topic of offline support came up a lot and was repeatedly reaffirmed. So, yeah, I feel justified defending that it was offline DRM-free support that got Elite across the finish line. I was there.
You are taking their word that they tried to put offline support in. Frankly, their word doesn't mean anything to me right now. This post is pretty compelling on the issue of "offline was just too diificult"
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Jesus... it's flipping easy to test. Press CTRL B and keep an eye on the bandwidth used. Play in off-line mode.
The character assassination comments are really ugly. Can't we have this discussion like civilized people?
I would put it like this:
3 Options:
- actually give a no- refund to those demanding it
- implement the damn offline mode
- if convinced that offline will be inferior, give out the networking protocol specs so that someone else can try
to 1: yes.
to 2: won't happen. get over it.
to 3: Hmmm, make the IP of my company public because of reasons? Nope. Won't happen either.
Yeap, the most prevalent one: try to get a refund and get told by Frontier to stuff it.
Hi Guys/Girls
So
thsi is my stance with tis now
have not been able yet to upload the new beta but will do so later today
so with allthings concidered i see the following
i am disapointed at no offline, it was to be sure one of the things i bought in for
but its not to be and no amount of weeping is now going to change that
i played for a few hours the beta, i cant get a refund, but i would not have bought in had i known this, but its a done job
i still think it a good game, and well done, or i hope it will be when finished, the next few days will see
i will continue with it as best i can
i am realy sorry for those that will not be able for one reason or another to continue, but like i said it done
rgds to all, and best of luck
So
thsi is my stance with tis now
have not been able yet to upload the new beta but will do so later today
so with allthings concidered i see the following
i am disapointed at no offline, it was to be sure one of the things i bought in for
but its not to be and no amount of weeping is now going to change that
i played for a few hours the beta, i cant get a refund, but i would not have bought in had i known this, but its a done job
i still think it a good game, and well done, or i hope it will be when finished, the next few days will see
i will continue with it as best i can
i am realy sorry for those that will not be able for one reason or another to continue, but like i said it done
rgds to all, and best of luck
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