Now now, I haven't made this a personal attack ever, don't you start.
Keep it civil.
You should know better
Now now, I haven't made this a personal attack ever, don't you start.
Keep it civil.
It is very simple. When you make a pledge on a Kickstarter project, you are funding a development "proposal", NOT buying an existing product off of some shelf. You should consider any pledge you make as a contribution. If you want a sure thing, then you should wait until the final game ships and make your decision based upon actual features available at that time. You funded a dream. Dreams don't always come out the way you expect.
You should know betterIn no way did I attack you. My statement would stand by itself if you, the person, was replaced with anyone else at random exhibiting the same mentality.
who wants to play offline anyway?
Well, I admit I do have a Random Mentality, and I can't blame my Stroke for that.
Lol... not enough money in this world even if you were a good looking chick.
Yet again you prove yourself to be terrible at reading small print.WRONG!
Kickstarters ToS section 4
You seem highly focussed on small print - do you design such despicable cop out clauses as they always embody? Have you fallen foul of such clauses? Or are you just a worshipper of nitpicking legalese?Yet again you prove yourself to be terrible at reading small print.
"For projects that launched before October 19, 2014, please see our previous Terms of Use."
Edit: also there's nothing within the rewards section about offline mode.
It is very simple. When you make a pledge on a Kickstarter project, you are funding a development "proposal", NOT buying an existing product off of some shelf.
You seem highly focussed on small print - do you design such despicable cop out clauses as they always embody? Have you fallen foul of such clauses? Or are you just a worshipper of nitpicking legalese?
Why not?I find it just hilarious that the same people that are accusing Frontier of going back on their word are trying to go back on their pledge just as the beta finishes. It's a pledge people! it's your PROMISE to pay.
For the beta, which you got.
We have to take them seriously though, because they are SO offended at the offline thing that happened.
Q: Could the server code be released publicly some day when the servers are shut down?
A: Yes. This is something we would do if for whatever reason we cannot keep the game going.
So there’s the answer to server shutdown. We can download the entire game with the server code and play single player forever.
You don't really trust known and proven liars to keep their word, do you? There are a myriad of reasons why they might not release the code if and when the servers are down. How about proprietary rights embedded in their code? Third party scripting and such? What if the servers are shut down here but the game is still big in, say, Korea and a secondary company takes the reigns to keep it running there? Do you think that company would want a bunch of free servers floating around? This is exactly what happened with Hellgate London (At least I can still keep playing Hellgate offline because that company was good enough to keep their promise about an offline SP mode). FD are just 'ing you again. A company that promises refunds for unhappy customers and then weasels their way out of it the NEXT DAY can't be trusted on anything. A company that promises over and over again that they'll have dedicated offline single player, takes real investor money based in part on that promise, and then pulls it at the eleventh hour can't be trusted on ANYTHING, least of all some hypothetical scenario about an event surrounding their demise. Do you really think, as these developers are shuffling around to sell off company assets, scrambling onto monster-dot-com to find new jobs, panicking because of their loss of income, that their first priority or any priority at all will be: "Hold on, we have to release the server code to the public like we promised back in November 2014!" And do you think releasing this code will be as simple as pressing a button? Of course not. Preparing it for public consumption would be a huge investment of time and money in its own right, and certainly not something that a bankrupt company would ever do.
If someone quotes a swathe of irrelevant text that still doesn't corroborate their point of view I feel I should point it out.
Unless you're attempting a subtle ad hominem my background is inconsequential to the discussion (but no, I don't work in law)
And FDEV had nothing to do with the timing...?I find it just hilarious that the same people that are accusing Frontier of going back on their word are trying to go back on their pledge just as the beta finishes. It's a pledge people! it's your PROMISE to pay.
For the beta, which you got.
We have to take them seriously though, because they are SO offended at the offline thing that happened.
Ya can catch more fish with worms that battered bread my old dad used to say.Ha! don't tell me you have! you're just trying to charm me now you old shyster you!
Everything has already been said many times over.
It is my deepest hope that this will end well and that FD doesn't make this type of mistake again. Slay some pirates for me!!!
It's not about what has been said but that people want to be able to express that they are not happy with "their" game being butchered without so much as an apology.
Without alternative, too, except for other games.
Agree Gazz and I will indeed be looking closley at LT closer to release, it looks fine but with the bitter disappointment and disillusionment of the last few days I will be reserving final judgement.It's not about what has been said but that people want to be able to express that they are not happy with "their" game being butchered without so much as an apology.
Without alternative, too, except for other games.
No not an insidious suggestion at all, I just find your 'compatability' with small print far from the human average compatability. Most people regard it as an anethema but you seem to revel in it.