No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]

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Agreed. The changes from the DDF (and other feedback) have made the game better. The decision to remove offline is nothing to do with the DDF - can we leave the conspiracy theories out of the discussion? There was no sinister plot.

Michael

Hey Michael would you consider opening up a new DDF thread to see if you can hash out a way to support offline in a way that would be acceptable to Frontier and the backers? Rather than doing a purely internal review a more open process might help rebuild some trust and indeed provide some ideas and perspective that Frontier Devs alone might not come up with. I am passionate about offline and truly believe it can stand alongside your online vision as a different but equally rewarding experience that enhances rather than detracts from the vision you have laid out.
 
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Multiple times it has been requested to stop the arguing here on the forum.

The bickering It needs to stop and not start again.

It's a sensitive subject, and people care. What did you expect?

I'm not condoning things like personal attacks, insults, things of that nature - of course - and it's important to remember that people caring is, in general, a positive thing, but such conversation is very much an inevitability.
 
blimey, did anybody else find any sense in that? please enlighten me if you have.

You have to go back a few posts to find the start of the discussion:

The fact is that single player is synonymous with offline.
No one in their right mind would think otherwise.
Online play, while needed in many multiplayer games for obvious reasons, when done on a single user experience is done solely for controlling when/where the user can play.
If Elite is really an mmo, then get rid of single player mode.

So I proved that they weren't synonyms.
 
blimey, did anybody else find any sense in that? please enlighten me if you have.

I think perhaps they were trying to illustrate the fact that some have been confused by the term "offline" and have mixed it up with "solo play". When I first read the announcement I was confused too. Until I looked closer.
 
Just to mention the benefits of "online only" and single player uses just 10kb/sec... I just tried this evening to have a little cargo mission run in Solo online, the "alternative" to offline.

1. took a mission with just a 8 Ly jump, about 45 min left to deliver 8 tons of tea, easy job.

2. checked the system ("Wyrd") agricultural, well might need some metals so loaded and jumped to Wyrd

3. aligned myself in SuperCruise to the Voranberg Habitat and hit the pedal

4. BOOM Server connection lost!

5. tried to log in again, and again, and again, and again...

6. after trying sporadic for about 20 min yes, finally Server seems back again!

7. ship in the middle between sun and station. Mission timed out, just earned me a 10,000Cr plus fine!!! (F...k! This should have got me money), checked Cargo: GReat! Now I have stolen goods loaded! :mad:

8. tried to get into the station quickly, got scanned another 13,000Cr fine and 2 evenings of earning cash utterly ruined after paying off everything. :eek:

9. So I rigged my Cobra for as less power consumption as possible, riggfed for silent running and sneaked out of the troublesome station.

10. jumped to the next best system, cruised a bit and found the Refinery at Chakra and BOOM! Server down again...

11. logged in again after a couple of minutes, and before i could reach the station BOOM server down again.

just to be clear my connection to the Internet was flawless during the time, I could look up things in a trade tool, I could surf websites no problem, and as E: D uses just the occasional 10kb/sec...ok, more like 17+Kb/Sec actually, but still no problem.

That told me two very important things:

1. Today is update day for the E: D Cloud servers to 3.9, so either the Cloud is utterly underdressed, badly automated to handle upgrades, or the provider had some issiues with his network / Hardware.
Anyway, the result is the same, ONline means more OFFline as in NO FUN, when things don't work, as many people already explained and argued.

2. If FD can't fix this crap Cloud DC to deliver a seamless experience, at least they should fix the Mission timers to STOP when the player is kicked from the cloud!!! This error cost me two evenings of trade runs I did to upgrade my ship (I don't care about the Cr,
but time is precious for me!)... as of now, taking missions in Solo/GRoup/or Open Online is a big risk to your ingame finances!

When this is the experience the players will get on 16th Dec, I fear the current issues could be topped!

And by the way, if I would have played OFFline Singleplayer, and just cached the trade and mision data, and the timer have stopped, and no server time out had happened, I would have been quite happy.

So now it is your turn Frontier, fix the netcode, make a working rockstable online experience or step in line with all the other Online Only desasters that promised a brilliant and stable game and how prepared they are for launch!
 
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If I may?

The DDF did not get "carried away" (okay, maybe we did a bit sometimes, but we were often asked to by Frontier :p ), and we didn't realise that the implication of what we were concerned about would be that the code would all be moved serverside & we'd have the situation we have now. We just trusted Frontier to handle it.

Everyone (to my knowledge) used their own funds to be part of the DDF... we didn't use funds "from all the backers".

As for myself, I was only really interested in playing offline for the most part, but when the topics came up - I tried to put myself in the position of someone who was interested primarily in the online version, because that was an important part of the game & the hardest to get right. The potential for screw ups in the online portion is far more wide ranging than the offline portion. The whole point of the discussions was to try and find holes in FD's designs & offer suggestions to make the experience better for all.

In retrospect, I feel a bit silly for not noticing this (as a software dev myself) but it never occurred to any of us that offline would be scrapped as a result. It does kind of prove the adage though that sometimes the best place to hide something is in plain sight.

Too bad others were not like you. while you were caring about needs of online version, those who wanted to play online version were caring only about online version...
 
I think perhaps they were trying to illustrate the fact that some have been confused by the term "offline" and have mixed it up with "solo play". When I first read the announcement I was confused too. Until I looked closer.

The weird thing about that is, up until this whole debacle, I would have said, "solo game," means offline. It still does as far as I'm concerned. In the past, pretty much no one would have "mixed," them up, they were/are synonymous. So it kinda makes me wonder about that, now that I think about it.

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Well I just had a perfectly innoccuous post apparently deleted - apparently for using the phrase 'fan-boy'
A bit heavy handed for my tastes.

Seems to be going around.
 
The weird thing about that is, up until this whole debacle, I would have said, "solo game," means offline. It still does as far as I'm concerned. In the past, pretty much no one would have "mixed," them up, they were/are synonymous. So it kinda makes me wonder about that, now that I think about it.

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Seems to be going around.
Mmmmm just goes to show that when one posts on a forum provided by the game distributor you had better watch your p's and q's . . . or else!
 
I don't really think the term fanboy is going to help with getting a reasoned discussion since that word is usually associated with terms like 'rabid' 'die-hard' 'blind' etc etc...

Hopefully everyone on the forum would consider themselves a 'fan' but in all likelihood with the age of the series I'd expect most wouldn't consider themselves 'boys' except for those uncontrollable 'squee, flappy hands' excited moments of course

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It's a sensitive subject, and people care. What did you expect?

I'm not condoning things like personal attacks, insults, things of that nature - of course - and it's important to remember that people caring is, in general, a positive thing, but such conversation is very much an inevitability.

And I honestly don't disagree with the fact it is a sensitive subject and that people do care about the game, After so many years of waiting we all want the game to be the best it can be.

But the repeated insults at FD, other Forum Members and the Moderators are not acceptable in any way shape or form. People are more that capable of putting their side of a discusion accros without using derogatory terms and baiting others into the same.

I'm honestly truly saddened at some of the things i've read on here recently. I really do believe this forum is a fantastic community, and I pray that that never changes.

Passion is a wonderful thing and it's the reason we are all here, A passion for Elite. Passion however is not shouting down anyone who thinks differently.

It's all about respecting others opinions, and as soon as someone sarts to insult another forum member, in my eyes they've instantly lost the argument.

So to everyone, please consider how you post.

Thanks.
 
of course not, I just don't nappy change supposed adults.
I've already (among others) offered to give you your refund out of my own wallet. Why do you not respond to this kind and generous offer to alleviate your butthurt and move on?

that is what you wish is it not? To get a refund? Or do you write for the sake of writing?

Why do you not comment on the guy who stated offline has been available during Beta and has started a petition to get it reinstated?

Hmmmm... I didn't give you any money and I for sure not going to accept any from you.
Simple as that... You owe me nothing.
If you feel like donating your hard earn cash I can recommend few charitable organizations to you.
Also do not assume that I didn't get in touch with "the guy" who stated he has started a petition to get it reinstated.

Cheers,

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Thanks T.J. Will do.
 
I don't really think the term fanboy is going to help with getting a reasoned discussion since that word is usually associated with terms like 'rabid' 'die-hard' 'blind' etc etc...

Hopefully everyone on the forum would consider themselves a 'fan' but in all likelihood with the age of the series I'd expect most wouldn't consider themselves 'boys' except for those uncontrollable 'squee, flappy hands' excited moments of course

While you are right, they probably don't help much, they are still only adjectives after all. The whole PC thing is annoying. If you want to call me names knock yourself out, it doesn't bother me.
 
The decision to remove offline is nothing to do with the DDF - can we leave the conspiracy theories out of the discussion? There was no sinister plot.

Michael

Yeah, some of the active DDFers (myself, Liqua, Juniper off-hand) went to town with Frontier just as some here are doing. We were as surprised as everyone else.
 
Well I just had a perfectly innoccuous post apparently deleted - apparently for using the phrase 'fan-boy'
A bit heavy handed for my tastes.
Name-calling is not allowed. Rules aren't optional. This is Sol, not Riedquat.

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I'd expect most wouldn't consider themselves 'boys' except for those uncontrollable 'squee, flappy hands' excited moments of course

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So hard to aim with flappy hands. :(
 
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