No Single Player offline Mode then?

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CmdrPSB

CmdrPSB
Erna Jedermann said:
What is with the player to give Online a try, don´t be happywith it, and waiting for an "promised/Expected" Offline Version and get this info in a not good way, and be P.$%&$§ about it...
(NO I am not talking about me...;)....)

But I have something in Common with FD now...I wrote some not so good things, and now I am on MANY Ignore Lists, and even if I say/do Something nice..nobody will here me...;) ...FD learn from that....;)
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If Frontier do anything beyond that, they've gone above and beyond the letter of the law regarding sale of digital goods. I can't believe they won't offer everyone unhappy with the decision a refund given the state of this thread and the issue popping up all over the place on game sites now. If they don't then fair enough, be very angry with them. If they do, then be mildly frustrated because you wanted the game and can't play it, but move on with your life.
 

Globusdiablo

Globusdiablo
natte hond said:
me too , fortunately the new kids don't care much about the offline.
most only want online these days.
it could even be that the angry stir on the forums right now.
creates enough news for free advertising because bad news is news too.
which goes much further than good news.
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It might actually be a shrude move by FD. Get the old off-line guards to finance the game, and then ditch them for the preppy on-line crowd at release. Clever....
 

ecgallagher

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Rainchild said:
Here's a plausible scenario that affects everybody:

In two years time, Microsoft makes an offer to David that he can't refuse. He was thinking about retirement anyway, and it was the right time to make "RollerCoastImals 4: Elite Minecraft Edition".
So they buy the studio, all the games that come along with it, and nothing happens for a bit. They start making their new game and reassign the bulk of the team, leaving two devs in maintenance mode.
One of those devs decides it's time to form an indie studio, be his own boss because he doesn't really like the new leadership appointed by Microsoft.
Six months later, they look at the income vs expenses sheet, they see that Elite is in the bargain bin and making meagre sales because Star Citizen has just come out and everyone's on that at the moment, but it's still costing $100,000 per month in Amazon hosting fees.
So they put up an announcement saying 'due to lack of income and expensive hosting, we will be turning off the Elite servers in 3 months time'.

While we all hope that Elite Dangerous will be as wildly successful as World of Warcraft, and the servers will still be running strong in 2025 (with 10 hour queues to play the "Andromeda Galaxy" expansion!), the reality is not many games are that successful. Game servers get taken down all the time and sadly, that will mean we (all of us, even you online-only champions) will no longer be able to play. Again. Ever. Even though it was promised that we would be able to.
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I keep having this nightmare that Star Citizen keeps adding and adding to the game and in the end sell out to EA to get the game released.
 

Vlodec

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Vlodec
Rainchild said:
Here's a plausible scenario that affects everybody:

In two years time, Microsoft makes an offer to David that he can't refuse. He was thinking about retirement anyway, and it was the right time to make "RollerCoastImals 4: Elite Minecraft Edition".
So they buy the studio, all the games that come along with it, and nothing happens for a bit. They start making their new game and reassign the bulk of the team, leaving two devs in maintenance mode.
One of those devs decides it's time to form an indie studio, be his own boss because he doesn't really like the new leadership appointed by Microsoft.
Six months later, they look at the income vs expenses sheet, they see that Elite is in the bargain bin and making meagre sales because Star Citizen has just come out and everyone's on that at the moment, but it's still costing $100,000 per month in Amazon hosting fees.
So they put up an announcement saying 'due to lack of income and expensive hosting, we will be turning off the Elite servers in 3 months time'.

While we all hope that Elite Dangerous will be as wildly successful as World of Warcraft, and the servers will still be running strong in 2025 (with 10 hour queues to play the "Andromeda Galaxy" expansion!), the reality is not many games are that successful. Game servers get taken down all the time and sadly, that will mean we (all of us, even you online-only champions) will no longer be able to play. Again. Ever. Even though it was promised that we would be able to.
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Bullseye.......
 

Nomadski

Nomadski
EDIT: Originally quoted the wrong person. :S

Rainchild said:
Here's a plausible scenario that affects everybody:

In two years time, Microsoft makes an offer to David that he can't refuse. He was thinking about retirement anyway, and it was the right time to make "RollerCoastImals 4: Elite Minecraft Edition".
So they buy the studio, all the games that come along with it, and nothing happens for a bit. They start making their new game and reassign the bulk of the team, leaving two devs in maintenance mode.
One of those devs decides it's time to form an indie studio, be his own boss because he doesn't really like the new leadership appointed by Microsoft.
Six months later, they look at the income vs expenses sheet, they see that Elite is in the bargain bin and making meagre sales because Star Citizen has just come out and everyone's on that at the moment, but it's still costing $100,000 per month in Amazon hosting fees.
So they put up an announcement saying 'due to lack of income and expensive hosting, we will be turning off the Elite servers in 3 months time'.

While we all hope that Elite Dangerous will be as wildly successful as World of Warcraft, and the servers will still be running strong in 2025 (with 10 hour queues to play the "Andromeda Galaxy" expansion!), the reality is not many games are that successful. Game servers get taken down all the time and sadly, that will mean we (all of us, even you online-only champions) will no longer be able to play. Again. Ever. Even though it was promised that we would be able to.
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Indeed. Some people are being very short sighted about this.

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...ervers-for-gran-turismo-5-resistance-trilogy/

Everybody should be concerned by this decision by FD, whether you are affected directly or indirectly. Watch Tim Wheatley's excellent YT video on this, heartfelt and very real sadness, from someone affected indirectly (his bro wont be able to play at all now) and directly (something like the above happening so in a few years Elite is another pipe dream).

If the game, by Micheal's own admission, is not much of a game offline, and not something FD want to release, then everybody had better hope this hits supreme MMO numbers, and maintains them.
 
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the darkwalker

the darkwalker
CmdrPSB said:
That's physical goods, digital content is different. See second to last paragraph here for example: http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...oad/returning-unwanted-goods/faq/index_en.htm
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indeed, that's a bummer :/
however there are loads of caveats and this situation is particularly controversial, think about it:
a game funded on kickstarter, then passed on their store wich still is not yet delivered, so it's technically still a pre-order with pre-release access
quite a mess isn't it? heh
 

Camino Archer

Camino Archer
Still waiting on my refund! I did hear back from the Facebook person who said a Refund shouldnt be an issue.

Just to keep this thread toasty, I want to mention one more time, I want a REFUND!

Y'all can take all your silly debate and Can it for all I care.

REFUND!
 

kwh

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ecgallagher said:
I keep having this nightmare that Star Citizen keeps adding and adding to the game and in the end sell out to EA to get the game released.
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If they can't deliver a complete game for $62 million [and counting] then something is badly wrong. They'll have enough cash left over after they've built their thousandth player flyable ship and added in the last of the detailed shipboard toilet use animations, to be able to fund their own real world moonshot...
 

jamotide

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SuBSynk said:
That is already happening, these pitchfork wielding crazies are determined to ruin release now no matter what and even think that if they complain enough the decision will be changed. Despite countless official statements to the contrary.

Delusional and ignorant but hey since when has that ever stopped a mob.
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That is what you are supposed to do when a videogame company pulls a stunt like this. But even EA had defenders like you, when they had their always online desaster.
 

Vidmaster

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If the only way to experience ED's Core features demands an external service, we have DRM plain and simple. Easy way to fix this would be a private server tool (where playing does not require some external authentication) and voilà, I am back to happy because DRM is gone again.
Selling paintjobs and other goodies working only on the FD server is totally compatible with this, as we are talking only about the absence of DRM for the core functionality.
Development and release oft such a private Server tool would indicate that FD's devision is in fact motivated by the intend of having the best game possible and not grounded in DRM fears.

You cannot win against free, deal with it! Making it harder for the honest customer will only frustrate them and make you loose more customers in the long run. Look what customer oriented services like GoG are doing!

(see my other posts)
 

Titus Balls

Titus Balls
Bkim said:
Ouch...this hurts Frontier!! I really thought Frontier was different. Before i pledged 120 euro's ( the biggest amount of money i have ever spend on a game) i watched David in an interview, saw you tube vids and because SINGLE PLAYER was an announced feature i decided to back this game. What stings me the most is the backstabbing feeling after this sudden annoucement. I lost my complete faith in David and his team. And no...i do not believe a single word they say about the arguments of their decision. I never play online unless for simracing via dedicated simrace sites in an controller area. I certainly do NOT race those uncontrolled, suicidale public servers. That is what ED is going to be. "Join the clan...otherwise...EVE feeling). Could you imagne what would happen if, say 50% of the people would play offline? The whole backend sitting there doing nothing...it would be bad for sales. One thing is clear to me in this world...its about money and so is this decision and Frontier is so weak they do not dare to admit it.
120 euro's down the drain, which isnt a big deal but Frontier took care of the fact my believe in developers had shrunken even more and i wil NEVER EVER AGAIN fall into the beautiful story trap that is called early acces. The only thing this world needs is thrust...my ten cents good bye and have fun.
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Frontier is not some magical place where every and all things happen. They are just humans, developers - and they can't make miracles happen. They shouldn't be getting threatened either.
 

the darkwalker

the darkwalker
the darkwalker said:
indeed, that's a bummer :/
however there are loads of caveats and this situation is particularly controversial, think about it:
a game funded on kickstarter, then passed on their store wich still is not yet delivered, so it's technically still a pre-order with pre-release access
quite a mess isn't it? heh
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and that's why we still got a 330 forum page, because information is still lacking. many people simply does not know what to do, if and how to do it
people who pledged on kickstarter? who knows? zaonce store? who knows? are refunds partial? full? no refund at all?
who knows?

the lack of communications is hurting this situation very much
 

Andrew_C

Andrew_C
Well, I am EXTREMELY disappointed by this news. I backed Elite: Dangerous on Kickstarter on the understanding there would be an offline version and that it wouldn't be an afterthought. I have no interest in online play, I would have backed Star Citizen if that was my interest, and at least they still have a single player game in the works.

It seems that I will probably have to ask for a refund. I've been waiting for a new Elite gave forever and this is not the new Elite game I was promised. I guess I'll have to satisfy myself with Oolite and Pioneer. They are certainly more enjoyable games than Elite: Dangerous in it's present state.
 
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SuBSynk

SuBSynk
jamotide said:
That is what you are supposed to do when a videogame company pulls a stunt like this. But even EA had defenders like you, when they had their always online desaster.
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Destroy something that the majority of people involved still support, because of my own disappointment?

That is what we are "supposed to do".

Ok i understand now, thanks for the clarification.
 
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Globusdiablo

Globusdiablo
gazzareth said:
Surely you should go to the store first as there is the option there, anything else is really just trying to cause unecessary drama and comes across as quite hysterical.

If they refuse then take it elsewhere.

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Maybe if you've preordered the final product. But as a premium beta backer, I don't see any options. I have created a ticket requesting a full refund.
 
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