No Single Player offline Mode then?

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Binerexis

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jamotide said:
And the definition does not care about intent or necessity, you simply ignore that. It is still DRM if it requires a constant online connection to the official servers.
If we could start our own servers, only then would it be a DRM free online game.
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Not by your definition. By your definition, it'll still be always-on DRM because you have to be online to connect to that other server.
 

OriginalBadBoy

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GiantPotato said:
Registered here to communicate my disappointment. It seems like every developer out there is rushing headlong into these online in-the-cloud interconnected game worlds, and none of them ever really work the way they were intended.
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Indeed games like WOW, Planetside 2, SWTOR never worked as they intended ....
 

delaney

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but does every person who brought the game actually understand what it is saying in the newsletter?
I know I didn't realize what it meant when I first read it...

Also how many people brought the game and are waiting for release before playing and will only find out they can't play offline after they get the game?

With so much discussion going on here FD should know the general feeling by now is not positive towards this news.....
 

Zuikaku

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jhondidfool said:
<SNIP> You may consider a refund, but unless you have a phisical inability to play the game on-line, you bought a game in developement hence constant flux. That means you will get exactly the product you paid for, which may or may not be the one they pitched 2 years ago. But the one they have been painstaikingly working at for those 2 years. With the little programming experience I have, I can tell you ED is no small feat at all. You're just complaining about a lamborghini because you don't like the matte finish and you wanted it glossy.

I find all these people claiming refund quite annoying. I have crappy internet and can play multiplayer from my phone's 3G connection just fine. Unless you have 56kbps you're just complaining either because you're a paranoid and don't want to be connected to the Internet or because you're afraid of human interaction. Neither of those are FD's fault and neither should warrant a refund.

<SNIP>You're getting your money's worth of FD's sweat and tears. That's what you paid for. That's what they've given us. If you don't like the taste is not their fault.
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The problem is they promised a feature they clearly didn't intend to fulfill. They also promised DRM free and offline playable game. As I have said before, I'm happy for all the players that will still get what they have hoped for. But try to imagine how woul'd you feel if multiplayer was cancelled.
 

MikeGreg

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lennelei said:
Hi guys,

does anyone know if it's legal to resell the backer package? I wanted an Elite 3 like game, and it seems I won't get it, so maybe I could resell what I bought so far to a person more interested, but I don't really know if this is legal.

Thanks.

Alexis
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and with the uproar ongoing, you realy think you would get a taker
dream on pal
 

Flak999

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Demosthien said:
Top quality empathy!
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Indeed! To be empathetic one needs to have something to empathise about! I cannot find it in myself to want to bother expending any sort of empathetic energy on a missing feature from a computer game!

It would be a totally trivial waste of my time!

Now, Peter Kassigs family or Ebola victims definitely!
 

Binerexis

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SalsaDMA said:
But untill the refund has been honored, it has, in fact, not been honored.

It's a pretty binary valuation, really.
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Like I said, the only people who can confirm or deny that is an employee. My post was in regards to someone asserting that they're not responding to requests which would be impossible for that person to verify.
 

Zero

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I'm here to voice support for Frontier Developments, whom I feel to be extremely skilled at development. I love Elite, I think it's going to be a great success for them, and I have absolutely no opinion on removing an offline single-player mode.
 

Xenonclouds

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I feel the same way that I did when I found out Santa Claus was just my mum! :-(

Cannot believe that we are going to be at the mercy of the FD servers 100%!

Have been seriously concidering a refund myself as the offine mode was a big selling point for me. I just hope the end product is going to be something exceptional! It's not nice being lied to in order to get more money....VERY DISAPPOINTED!

.....Oh and landing on planets probably won't happen either NOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
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Binerexis said:
Not by your definition. By your definition, it'll still be always-on DRM because you have to be online to connect to that other server.
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It's not his definition:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Always-on_DRM
Always-on DRM or always-online DRM is a form of digital rights management (DRM) that requires a consumer to remain connected to a server, especially through an internet connection, to use a particular product.
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If you can run your own server, you're not a consumer, you're the owner of it.
 

CommaNerd

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SalsaDMA said:
Eh...

So designing something to work differently than the intention is not a wrong design?
You have to be alone on that one.
Heck, I even remember back in the days when I learned software design that ANYTHING that wasn't part of the design document was a bug, even beneficial stuff.
So having your design end up not fulfilling the design intentions is the very definition of a wrong design.
So either the design intentions were not what we were led to believe, or they have issues with designing software.
Neither scenario looks good to me when we are considering a multimillion dollar software project.
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Sounds like a very rigid 20th Century, waterfall development model to me.

In an undertaking this huge, with feature creep steered somewhat by the community, you can't develop in that manner. In my experience with business software, requirements get added (in this case a lot of them), some become unfeasible, get reevaluated and retracted.

This is a game. Not business software. The decision has been made by the developer, move on. It's clear that Offline single player isn't going to happen. So some people are disappointed- I think we all understand why, and you have a point. You have a choice to stick with the software despite this, or apply for a refund if it really doesn't match up to your expectations.

(And once you've made your point, I expect we'll see 99% of refundees on the forums under a different name when you've re-bought your release-day retail copies.....)
 

SJT

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delaney said:
but does every person who brought the game actually understand what it is saying in the newsletter?
I know I didn't realize what it meant when I first read it...

Also how many people brought the game and are waiting for release before playing and will only find out they can't play offline after they get the game?

With so much discussion going on here FD should know the general feeling by now is not positive towards this news.....
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I would think a small (listens for shouts of "proof!") fraction of the people who have pre-ordered the game, actually visit these boards or read the newsletters. The first time that many will realise that offline is missing, will be on the 16th of December.
 
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