No Single Player offline Mode then?

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He's the victim of false Kickstarter advertising, and it's technically his fault?

This thread has gone beyond ridiculous.

No such thing as false advertising on kickstarter, the projects are not ads for anything, they are like business pitch's, here is what i am planning to do i hope i can do it all but there is no garentee, will you back my idea/plan. Nothing false about it.
 
Where do you draw that line? Can they remove support for flight sticks, or the reverse of that, make them mandatory? There's no mention of that on the store page, so is that okay for them to change?

The line is drawn at misrepresentation of a products abilities. If it was represented as being able to fulfill a purpose or use that it cannot, then it falls under this.

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I really do not care when or for how much you backed the game, I don't care when you joined the forum either, it's irrelevant.

Absolutely true, the only thing that matters is that a product was misrepresented.
 
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Where do you draw that line? Can they remove support for flight sticks, or the reverse of that, make them mandatory? There's no mention of that on the store page, so is that okay for them to change?

I bought a game that I was intending to run on my PC. I did my research and everywhere, including these forums and the other places Frontier have control over all said that same thing. Even now, you have to dig a bit to find out that this feature has been dropped, because FD have done such a poor job of announcing it. For a time, even this thread was made hard to find.

They can still do whatever they want, change the name, remove solo play or even if they wanted to just pull the game and stop everything, the only time a full feature list of any game is set in stone is after the games official launch.
(look at Destiny from Bungie to see things being cut/pulled right upto the last possible second)

They have a refund system, that pretty much all they are required to do.
 
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i have to says that i dont think yall can get refund, unless u really never really played the beta / only ordered the final game , for single player mode ( no internet ).

even all those kickstarter backers, why would you get a refund ? you gave money for this game to happens, knowing Frontier will make it, and the game will be there, but no one could knows how the game will be at the end.

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because Frontier used that money now... its been spent, for the game development.... and the game is here.... they had to do with all the funds they had.... simply
 
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No such thing as false advertising on kickstarter, the projects are not ads for anything, they are like business pitch's, here is what i am planning to do i hope i can do it all but there is no garentee, will you back my idea/plan. Nothing false about it.

It wasn't Kickstarter - as I said, I bought it a few weeks ago from the FD online store.
 
I but do care, I care about Elite Dangerous , what's going on here possibly effects the future of the game I love.

Then you should be hoping that FD find some way to reverse this reversal. Because at the moment it's a storm in a teacup, mostly because FD have done a poor job of communicating the change to all backers and pre-order customers. It's highly likely that for many of those for whom offline is an important requirement they also aren't the people constantly on the forum discussing the minutia of the game, and that newsletter didn't do a great job, even for those who actually received it. If things continue on as they have been, this could turn into a gigantic mess that could have very dire consequences for the future of the game.

One thing that is not going to fix that is to be unsympathetic to people who are into the game for hundreds, and have every right to demand restitution for FD's failure to deliver. That's not going to help the game one whit.
 
As a matter of fact the money taken under that misrepresentation (of the game being playable offline) was used to boost the companies cash on hand assets that were listed in their IPO on the stock market. If there is an SEC probe into that and they find that the company knew of this misrepresentation before the IPO and used the money that was taken under false pretense to bolster the companies stated debt to assets ratio and sold stock based on that false information, there could be a lot of trouble down the road for good old frontier.

There might not be an Elite or a frontier for that matter.
 
It was an opinion based on assumptions , I was already corrected by another Cmdr who explained it better, In your case being a backer of 250 pounds IMHO you won't get a penny back sorry, maybe the price of the released game.

I really do not care when or for how much you backed the game, I don't care when you joined the forum either, it's irrelevant. Oh and I certainly was not giving you or anyone else hassle.

I will wish you good luck with your refund.
Luckily I do not care what aggressive perpetual Pollyannas think either.

I'm often at locations where there is NO internet access. That means I cannot play at all. That you think this is ticketty-boo is immaterial. At the moment I'm awaiting some decent sort of response from FD before I decide what to do.

As a (previously so far) optimistic and enthusiastic backer, I'd point out that your frankly crappy attitude stinks, and does neither the game or the reputation of the developers any service whatsoever.
 
I but do care, I care about Elite Dangerous , what's going on here possibly effects the future of the game I love.

but all you are doing is bemoaning and putting down people who have a legitimate claim against the developers for being mis-led. something even the devs have acknowledged and suggested people to ask for refund.

your presence in this thread is just one big long whinge..

you're right, it DOESNT effect you, you were NEVER going to play offline, and you consistently dont give a stuff about those who are affected ..

we all get it, YOU DISAGREE on everything, so GO PLAY the game you love and leave these poor people to sort it out

(sorry to play the man and not the ball, but I'm over it with your poor arguments, and FD is totally blameless whining)

/facepalm
 
You purchased the game for offline yes I agree, but the Beta was only ever available online. If offline was all you were ever interested in, then you should have told FD that you only wanted to test the offline Beta as soon as you found out that offline wasn't part of the Beta testing. At that point I think you would have been entitled to a refund for the Beta too. But you didn't do that. You continued to play/test the online Beta until you found out that you weren't going to get an offline game at the end, then you wanted a refund for both the Beta testing (which you'd already had access to), as well as the final game.

If you had no interest in playing/testing the online Beta, then presumably you wouldn't have accessed the online Beta until an offline version was ready to test.

Whether you were helping FD test the online Beta isn't relevant I think. Everyone who had access to Alpha, Premium Beta, or Beta payed to help, otherwise we'd be professional testers, and would be spending most of our time trying to systematically repeat scenarios that replicate bugs, in the interests of nailing down the definite cause. I suspect what most (if not all) of us have really been doing is playing.

Until last Friday, there was no reason to think there was never going to be an offline version.

I had no crystal ball to peer into to inform me that 'oh I better stop testing this for FD because there will be no offline version'. Like everyone, I expected there would be, and at the time, I was willing to help the FD and community make the product better by testing it.

If I can provide an example ...

Lets say that FD decide next week that the game will only be released on the MAC platform and the PC (Win32) platform will be abandoned.

During the past 2 years, you have been testing the game on your PC, and can/will not purchase a MAC.

Would you expect to be fully refunded?
 
As a matter of fact the money taken under that misrepresentation (of the game being playable offline) was used to boost the companies cash on hand assets that were listed in their IPO on the stock market. If there is an SEC probe into that and they find that the company knew of this misrepresentation before the IPO and used the money that was taken under false pretense to bolster the companies stated debt to assets ratio and sold stock based on that false information, there could be a lot of trouble down the road for good old frontier.

There might not be an Elite or a frontier for that matter.

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction in the UK. Maybe the FCA is what you meant.
 
but all you are doing is bemoaning and putting down people who have a legitimate claim against the developers for being mis-led. something even the devs have acknowledged and suggested people to ask for refund.

your presence in this thread is just one big long whinge..

you're right, it DOESNT effect you, you were NEVER going to play offline, and you consistently dont give a stuff about those who are affected ..

we all get it, YOU DISAGREE on everything, so GO PLAY the game you love and leave these poor people to sort it out

(sorry to play the man and not the ball, but I'm over it with your poor arguments, and FD is totally blameless whining)

/facepalm

Well said
 
I have, more than a few. Which post are you alluding to?

Really?

The one in which I said I had applied for a refund but was still following this with interest while I wait to hear from Customer Support - in the (probably vain) hope that FD announce a change of plan.
 
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Until last Friday, there was no reason to think there was never going to be an offline version.

I had no crystal ball to peer into to inform me that 'oh I better stop testing this for FD because there will be no offline version'. Like everyone, I expected there would be, and at the time, I was willing to help the FD and community make the product better by testing it.

If I can provide an example ...

Lets say that FD decide next week that the game will only be released on the MAC platform and the PC (Win32) platform will be abandoned.

During the past 2 years, you have been testing the game on your PC, and can/will not purchase a MAC.

Would you expect to be fully refunded?

I was planning to play both online and offline. The cancellation of offline affected me too, but fortunately for me, I can still play online. As everything I've been testing/playing so far has been PC, I think it was always highly unlikely that the PC version would be cancelled, so that's not a very good example.

I actually do have sympathy for those people who wanted the offline game, and think FD should refund them the price of the game if that's what they want, but accessing the Beta, then wanting a refund for it after you've been using it for a while is a step too far IMO.
 
I was planning to play both online and offline. The cancellation of offline affected me too, but fortunately for me, I can still play online. As everything I've been testing/playing so far has been PC, I think it was always highly unlikely that the PC version would be cancelled, so that's not a very good example.

I actually do have sympathy for those people who wanted the offline game, and think FD should refund them the price of the game if that's what they want, but accessing the Beta, then wanting a refund for it after you've been using it for a while is a step too far IMO.

I think its a very good example because last Thursday if you asked me whether I would think offline would be cancelled, I would have told you there was no way it would be cancelled because ..

1. It was advertised as being there as far back as the KS 2 years ago.
2. There was no indication whatsoever from FD that its implementation based on its design was in any way threatened.

Most/all other backers would have said the same thing last Thursday. We thought it was highly unlikely that the offline version would be cancelled.

This is exactly what you would say about the PC version analogy, or any other of the main advertised features.
 
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