Nope, offline was always intended as a separate mode, that wouldn't share the online universe (although periodic updates were discussed).
There are a lot of quotes about this around the thread.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Nope, offline was always intended as a separate mode, that wouldn't share the online universe (although periodic updates were discussed).
There are a lot of quotes about this around the thread.
I'm sorry but this is just getting silly now, firstly how is it that these people are able to communicate through the internet but not have a connection?
Have these people with "no way" of connecting to the internet not heard of a dongle?
If they can make it to a place with internet why can't they also make it to a shop that sells a dongle?
Have these people with "no way" of connecting to the internet not heard of a dongle?
If they can make it to a place with internet why can't they also make it to a shop that sells a dongle?
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The post I was replying to mentions dial-up at best. He'll still be able to play, albeit a little slower than the rest.
If you buy into something during it's development cycle you take a risk.
if you want guaranteed features you wait until release.
If offline was a must have feature then you should have waited until it was released. During development plans change, and you committed yourself very early on. Whenever you pre-purchase a product in development you are gambling that it will turn out the way you hope - in this case the gamble did not pay off. But I understand why you and a lot of other people are upset. I'm sure that FD would not have made a decision that would upset so many people unless they had to.
Do they have access to a connection or not? How did they order the game online with no connection? How do they access your YouTube channel? If they can do that they can access these forums. Its your logic that is flawed.
They have not received a product yet. Since they have no connection I assume they have not downloaded anything. They should be able to get a refund.
Make up your mind, they either have access or they don't.
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A gaming connection is not a forum or email connection. If you don't understand how it's not silly, educate yourself.
Why should they? Most of them purchased based on information from Frontier like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comme..._braben_cocreator_of_elite_creator_of/c7occpw
Why should they? If you break your leg, you know the hospital staff could come to you, right? Why would you go to them?
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I don't get it. When you guys turn on your computers, are they not automatically online? Where do you people live?
Shocking, I know, but people live all over the world.
You're about to blow a major artery, mate. I think you need to log off and go calm down or something.
Based on what I have seen, I doubt that would work.
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Offline was planned.
Planetary landings are planned.
Servers after 2014 are planned.
How confident do you feel?
Pre-orders made before yesterday all were made with public information saying about offline mode, that is a retail sale.
The seed data is procedurally generated from the main seed, though, on demand.
Oversimplifying: You give the galactic seed and your coordinates to the galaxy generation algorithm; it gives you a galactic skybox, and the seed for the system you're in; you give that seed and your coordinates to the system generation algorithm; it gives you a list of coordinates and seeds for the objects in the system (stars, planets, belts, stations, outposts); you give those seeds and coordinates to the respective algorithms, and they give you the relevant models at the relevant level of detail (once you get close enough to any of them you'll have to regenerate it at a higher level of detail); and so on, up to whatever level of detail you want to have in your game (if planetary landing is ever implemented you'll give the planet's seed and your coordinates to a surface generation algorithm and you'll get geography, plants, critters - each with its own procedurally generated seed - and whatnot).
If you purchase a game in development then i'd say you are pretty silly to not assume things can change over the course of development and you still seem unable to answer why these people cannot just buy a dongle and thus connect?
They have legs -as you keep saying- so whats the problem?
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I do understand this, CMDR, and I empathise too as I also would have liked the offline play to remain. I also agree the passing mention in the newsletter wasn't what would be called "courteous" but I said what I said because I don't want people to be too hasty and mayhaps regret it later. I'm just looking out for my fellow CMDR's because in times like this, it's easy to get lost in the moment and let the group thought or impulsive emotions rule the day
Anyone who ordered a DRM free boxed copy could quite reasonably expect not to have to be always online and logged in. There are locations with internet. There are locations without. And people have legs.
ED required an ALWAYS ONLINE connection. If you think everyone has that, you are wrong.
And yes, they should be able to get a refund. Thank you for your agreement.
I would like to start this topic by saying yes this is a rant so for those of you who object to these type of posts please stop reading now. I would also like to say this is my last forum post so take what you will away from what I have to say.
I will admit I was concerned with the direction of the game when the launch date was announced but i sucked it up and kept with it in hopes that FD would manage to deliver what was promised come launch date. Now it turns out that was false hope. I purchased this this beta to take part in the testing process and to get the content that was promised on the store purchase page. And now you decide to change what we purchased 1 month before launch. I don't care what company you are you selling a game advertising certain core components, taking peoples money and then removing that component is wrong and false advertising. As per DB himself it appears you now need an internet connection to play ED so for those of you who bought the game expecting you can play with out internet you are out of luck: Here are his words exatly: (I have bolded the statement in which I take as a fully offline component would be unexceptable"
Going forwards, being online lets us constantly both curate and evolve the galaxy, with stories unfolding according to the actions of commanders. Exploration is also a key factor, too, and it is important that what a single player explores matches what other players explore whether single or multiplayer – a complex, coherent world – something we have achieved. Galaxy, story, missions, have to match, and it does mean the single player has to connect to the server from time to time, but this has the added advantage that everyone can participate in the activities that can happen in the galaxy. A fully offline experience would be unacceptably limited and static compared to the dynamic, ever unfolding experience we are delivering.
Any mention of playing Elite Dangerous offline has also now been removed from the store page and now says online play modes and that an internet connections is required. I now have several friends who have pre-ordered elite dangerous with the expectation of a competely offline mode because the have no internet who now will probably be unable to play.
Also it has also been hinted that not all of the promised content will be available at launch:
After the 16th December we will continue to update with more polish and content such as the playable ships we committed to in our Kickstarter campaign – in fact I’m delighted to be able to tell you that we are now planning to eventually have 30 playable ships in Elite: Dangerous, 5 more than we committed to in Kickstarter. And most exciting of all, we will start the work on a longer term roadmap that includes getting you up out of your pilot’s seats and out of your starships.
So what about all the systems that were promised are those also going to be released post launch also? And the new offers for beta backers:
Being a Beta backer is the only way you will be able to play Elite: Dangerous until 16th December. In addition to that and the other existing Beta benefits such as Mercenary Edition and automatic permit to visit Sol, today we are also announcing:
25% off in-game ship insurance for life to all our Beta backers
free access to one of the 5 new ships when it’s released!
This is not an attempt to get more buyers this is a "We are sorry he have not been able to provide everything that was promised so here take these bonuses instead"
Sure for new players getting into the game and buying it after launch its fine because they were not promised a mode that will not be there. For a lot of people who are currently playing in the beta they are expecting an offline mode and now you take it away. Are these people with no internet connections of there own who pre-ordered the game going to get there money back? Most of the people I know who do not have internet either used my internet or public access to buy the game.
It is now clear to me that they cannot deliver all the content we are all expecting on such a short release scheduled and now its just a matter of what we will end up getting. Will it really be enough? How much other content is being postponed or pulled out for launch? In the end if I go to a store see a game on the shelf read what the game is about buy it then take it home and find out that much of what was advertised as being available in the game was taken out I would not be very happy.
I am going to end this topic by saying I have been beta testing since as early as the everquest 1 days. Everything from Games to Operating systems everything I could pretty much get my hands on. And you know what while not all of them were good experiences at least the were free and you know what if a change was made to the core game and I did not like it guess what? I just wont buy the end product. With elite you buy into with set exceptions of what the released product will be and then all of a sudden that changes because they do not have the time to add those aspects? Well then what on earth did I pay for? In My opinion Elite dangerous has been the worst beta experience I have ever had and here is why?
No communication - There has been a very big lack of devs presence being know in the forum community. Especially since the announcement of the release date. Most of the traffic and interactions for a lot of people on the forums is from other members. Now I know the devs cannot be bothered to respond to everyone and that they are reading a lot of what is on the forums, but how but some random polls on community opinion or weekly posts with quick updates other then here are the patch notes. I am lucky because a few of my posts have had responses which have led to hope for something that was not going to happen and no follow up to the fact that its not going to happen sorry.
Lack of Content - I am sorry and people argue this all the time but right now the content is just lacking this close to release. Fine you are not focusing on bugs and want to push out content then how about giving us some more patches other then 3.9 before release. Like maybe open up another 100 systems or so. Move some oculles stations around or something. Even inject a Beta event here and there to keep peoples interest peaked. Add new stuff we can test to keep us occupied while you guys work on creating the rest of the stuff.
Development path - Why is it that when Online is not the major focus of the game due to the fact that we were expecting an offline component almost no time was spent correcting the major issues with the open play aspect and then bang a couple of days before the online only announcement they go full force into makings sure networking issues are being addressed? Should this have not been a major area of focus during the whole beta phase?
To secretive - There has been no solid answers one what we as purchasers can expect from the final release of this game. We have all bought the game there is no reason for them not to tell us what were are getting in the final release. Like any purchase in the world today we all have the right to know what we are actually getting with our purchase, not vague and badly phrased hints on what might be coming.
All in All none of this is the developers faults themselves. They are puppets given directions to go that they pretty much have to follow. The developers themselves have done fine building the game and releasing what they have based on what they are told to push out.
I am not asking for content that should not be there. I am not trying to be a jerk or aggressive is this post. I just want the content I was promised on release and right now you have already taken some of that away. I have lost all faith in this game. I do not believe this faith will ever be restored. I don't want this promised content months after launch with the exception of Planet walking and ship walking ect. I want the 25 ships, I want the 200 billion star systems to explore. I want all the game mechanics that should be there be there. I want the offline mode so I can enjoy my purchase when I am in a situation where I do not have access to an internet connection. And after reading the last news letter there is no indication or reassurance that any of this will be there until weeks or months after launch.
Anyway I wish everyone happy holidays and hope that for some people none of the above matters as for me it does and although I am still not sure if I will even ever play this game again I know for sure I will not be recommending to this game to anyone else and I apologize to my friends who I did recommend it to that will not be able to even play it come launch because of no offline mode.
Now the devs can feel free to correct me on any of the news letter points I have brought up but to be honest I am not expecting a response because I really don't feel that any of this is incorrect.
I will admit I was concerned with the direction of the game when the launch date was announced but i sucked it up and kept with it in hopes that FD would manage to deliver what was promised come launch date. Now it turns out that was false hope. I purchased this this beta to take part in the testing process and to get the content that was promised on the store purchase page. And now you decide to change what we purchased 1 month before launch. I don't care what company you are you selling a game advertising certain core components, taking peoples money and then removing that component is wrong and false advertising. As per DB himself it appears you now need an internet connection to play ED so for those of you who bought the game expecting you can play with out internet you are out of luck: Here are his words exatly: (I have bolded the statement in which I take as a fully offline component would be unexceptable"
Going forwards, being online lets us constantly both curate and evolve the galaxy, with stories unfolding according to the actions of commanders. Exploration is also a key factor, too, and it is important that what a single player explores matches what other players explore whether single or multiplayer – a complex, coherent world – something we have achieved. Galaxy, story, missions, have to match, and it does mean the single player has to connect to the server from time to time, but this has the added advantage that everyone can participate in the activities that can happen in the galaxy. A fully offline experience would be unacceptably limited and static compared to the dynamic, ever unfolding experience we are delivering.
Any mention of playing Elite Dangerous offline has also now been removed from the store page and now says online play modes and that an internet connections is required. I now have several friends who have pre-ordered elite dangerous with the expectation of a competely offline mode because the have no internet who now will probably be unable to play.
Also it has also been hinted that not all of the promised content will be available at launch:
After the 16th December we will continue to update with more polish and content such as the playable ships we committed to in our Kickstarter campaign – in fact I’m delighted to be able to tell you that we are now planning to eventually have 30 playable ships in Elite: Dangerous, 5 more than we committed to in Kickstarter. And most exciting of all, we will start the work on a longer term roadmap that includes getting you up out of your pilot’s seats and out of your starships.
So what about all the systems that were promised are those also going to be released post launch also? And the new offers for beta backers:
Being a Beta backer is the only way you will be able to play Elite: Dangerous until 16th December. In addition to that and the other existing Beta benefits such as Mercenary Edition and automatic permit to visit Sol, today we are also announcing:
25% off in-game ship insurance for life to all our Beta backers
free access to one of the 5 new ships when it’s released!
This is not an attempt to get more buyers this is a "We are sorry he have not been able to provide everything that was promised so here take these bonuses instead"
Sure for new players getting into the game and buying it after launch its fine because they were not promised a mode that will not be there. For a lot of people who are currently playing in the beta they are expecting an offline mode and now you take it away. Are these people with no internet connections of there own who pre-ordered the game going to get there money back? Most of the people I know who do not have internet either used my internet or public access to buy the game.
It is now clear to me that they cannot deliver all the content we are all expecting on such a short release scheduled and now its just a matter of what we will end up getting. Will it really be enough? How much other content is being postponed or pulled out for launch? In the end if I go to a store see a game on the shelf read what the game is about buy it then take it home and find out that much of what was advertised as being available in the game was taken out I would not be very happy.
I am going to end this topic by saying I have been beta testing since as early as the everquest 1 days. Everything from Games to Operating systems everything I could pretty much get my hands on. And you know what while not all of them were good experiences at least the were free and you know what if a change was made to the core game and I did not like it guess what? I just wont buy the end product. With elite you buy into with set exceptions of what the released product will be and then all of a sudden that changes because they do not have the time to add those aspects? Well then what on earth did I pay for? In My opinion Elite dangerous has been the worst beta experience I have ever had and here is why?
No communication - There has been a very big lack of devs presence being know in the forum community. Especially since the announcement of the release date. Most of the traffic and interactions for a lot of people on the forums is from other members. Now I know the devs cannot be bothered to respond to everyone and that they are reading a lot of what is on the forums, but how but some random polls on community opinion or weekly posts with quick updates other then here are the patch notes. I am lucky because a few of my posts have had responses which have led to hope for something that was not going to happen and no follow up to the fact that its not going to happen sorry.
Lack of Content - I am sorry and people argue this all the time but right now the content is just lacking this close to release. Fine you are not focusing on bugs and want to push out content then how about giving us some more patches other then 3.9 before release. Like maybe open up another 100 systems or so. Move some oculles stations around or something. Even inject a Beta event here and there to keep peoples interest peaked. Add new stuff we can test to keep us occupied while you guys work on creating the rest of the stuff.
Development path - Why is it that when Online is not the major focus of the game due to the fact that we were expecting an offline component almost no time was spent correcting the major issues with the open play aspect and then bang a couple of days before the online only announcement they go full force into makings sure networking issues are being addressed? Should this have not been a major area of focus during the whole beta phase?
To secretive - There has been no solid answers one what we as purchasers can expect from the final release of this game. We have all bought the game there is no reason for them not to tell us what were are getting in the final release. Like any purchase in the world today we all have the right to know what we are actually getting with our purchase, not vague and badly phrased hints on what might be coming.
All in All none of this is the developers faults themselves. They are puppets given directions to go that they pretty much have to follow. The developers themselves have done fine building the game and releasing what they have based on what they are told to push out.
I am not asking for content that should not be there. I am not trying to be a jerk or aggressive is this post. I just want the content I was promised on release and right now you have already taken some of that away. I have lost all faith in this game. I do not believe this faith will ever be restored. I don't want this promised content months after launch with the exception of Planet walking and ship walking ect. I want the 25 ships, I want the 200 billion star systems to explore. I want all the game mechanics that should be there be there. I want the offline mode so I can enjoy my purchase when I am in a situation where I do not have access to an internet connection. And after reading the last news letter there is no indication or reassurance that any of this will be there until weeks or months after launch.
Anyway I wish everyone happy holidays and hope that for some people none of the above matters as for me it does and although I am still not sure if I will even ever play this game again I know for sure I will not be recommending to this game to anyone else and I apologize to my friends who I did recommend it to that will not be able to even play it come launch because of no offline mode.
Now the devs can feel free to correct me on any of the news letter points I have brought up but to be honest I am not expecting a response because I really don't feel that any of this is incorrect.
Agree.. & no amount of ships or pizza could compensate for shocking news of my offline cats death
FD tell me it's not true
Exactly. Or bringing it up in the forums - "THREAD TITLE: Offline mode - how important is it for the community?"
"Hi everyone. We have been having some issues getting offline mode to meet the standards we originally set for it. This does not mean it is going away, but we would like to gauge the community reaction to the possibility of it being moved to a later development stage. Please reply to the poll above with your view on how important offline mode is to you, feel free to post your opinion in this thread, but please keep it civil and remember - we have yet to make a final decision.
Thanks, FD team"
There you go. Gie us a jawb.
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There isn't a simple answer to this as it's in the cloud and constantly changing. As trades occur the data increases and changes. Same to for exploration and missions and every other moderated transaction in the game.
Michael
Why should they? They bought a game, pre-ordered which is a retail sale of a COMPLETE product with offline mode, a game which said it had offline mode everywhere it was promoted or sold. I saw it on the forum a couple of weeks ago, and it still says it in the pinned FAQ here.
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That is, indeed, the elephant in the room
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