No Single Player offline Mode then?

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OK I've since seen Michael's post that there will probably not be a solo mode.

Beyond that, I can't really say any more than I'm disappointed too. That is a real shame for people who backed the game expecting this and wanting to play offline only. Some of my arguments against solo online mode were based on the fact we expected this too.

His flippant answers of "probably not" I can't really defend. FD really lack communications skills, bordering on the levels of corporate aspergers. Actually it's kind of made *ME* angry.

Regardless of this, I still want the game I paid for. If you are not getting the game you paid for, request a refund. Don't do a chargeback though, that's just a D-bag move regardless of the situation.

NO it's not the Solo but the OFFLINE mode. You can still play alone if you like you only need to be connected to the internet.
 
I wish I had read this thread earlier. I have just bought the beta version and am downloading it now and was looking forward to playing offline as promised. However. its probably going to take about 4 or 5 hours to download so my internet connection is not good enough for online play. I was hoping to while away boring nights playing Elite where I am deployed in the crap hole desert that I am in, but now I am going to have to wait before I can even get to do anything. Very disappointed.
 
I wish I had read this thread earlier. I have just bought the beta version and am downloading it now and was looking forward to playing offline as promised. However. its probably going to take about 4 or 5 hours to download so my internet connection is not good enough for online play. I was hoping to while away boring nights playing Elite where I am deployed in the crap hole desert that I am in, but now I am going to have to wait before I can even get to do anything. Very disappointed.

Try it. When you get into the menu, go into SOLO.
 
We have put considerable time and effort to try and make this happen, but we've had to make this decision to make the game we set out to do.

Well maybe this backlash will highlight to you that the game you are setting out to do is not the game your community wants. The majority of people aren't interested in multiplayer in the way Frontier are seemingly obsessed with it. If offline mode was becoming so impossible then the design decision should have switched priority to an offline mode with the option of an 8 player co-op or something less ambitious.

EA/Maxis set out to make the game they wanted to make but quickly had to u-turn. How on earth did you not look at that situation and not learn from it?

And why did you not feel it appropriate to discuss your concerns earlier with at least the DDF? It makes a mockery of the DDF IMHO.

I welcome your replies on the forum but you seem to be dismissing the fact that most of the anger and disapointment is fueled not by the lack of offline mode but in the secrecy behind the decision and the way it was underhandedly snuck into a PR newsletter. Surely you knew this was going to be a BIG deal?

I love the game - I really do. I pledged a great deal of money toward the Kickstarter and I personally was very much looking forward to an offline mode. I'm not going to demand a refund and I will settle for Online Solo. I am just disappointed in the communication and the way this has been handled and I feel sorry for those who backed specifically for an Offline feature.
 
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This is true, however, as Executive Producer it is Michael's job to ensure that every developer stays on track & is following the core spec... or is at least allowing for it to be followed down the line. Whilst perhaps not cutting code himself, he is extremely technically astute and understands the process of making software.

An offline mode is (was) a critical part of the core spec that the game was advertised & sold as.

From what Michael has said, they have treated offline as an afterthought that they thought they'd be able to shoehorn in, and then discovered way down the line that - no - they can't do it.

Really, I find that inexcusable. And the off-hand way it has been communicated, and no apology, makes it even worse.

Show me where offline mode was ever deemed as critical part of core spec, and reason why they would have to decide to gut online version. Please.

I personally think that FD shouldn't have promise offline mode during KS, sorry, they were worried themselves during those early discussions. I was wondering myself how they will do that and was worried later how modes will differ, what kind of cheats this introduce and really what's the point besides having two games instead of one (never good idea when you have big project to complete).
 
Could you please address whether any level of refund will be available to Kickstarter backers? I am not interested in a full refund, but I wouldn't have pledged as high as I did without an off-line mode.

Where you really planning on playing the game without an internet connection?


And the boxed copy is now a worthless piece of junk rather than something I could install ten years down the line for a bit of nostalgia.

Pretty sure servers will still be online and if not I'm pretty sure FD will release their server software for download if they stop supporting the game.
 
look, not everyone has the ACCESS to play online all of the time, its not about money, its not about any socio-economic factor ..

believe it or not, some people have intermittent internet - that means their net is not reliable, their lag is terrible, their ping is woeful, and they cant maintain a stable connection. not everyone lives in a big city with 100% net access 100% of the time.

*sigh
 
No, and why would he? That's absurd. If my girlfriend promises to come for dinner and I go buy all the lovely food, then because of an emergency she can't make it - Do I tell her to cover the bill? No, I don't, because I'd be single.

Honestly, mate, I think I may be in love.

OK I've since seen Michael's post that there will probably not be a solo mode.

Actually, there will be a Solo mode, it just requires an online connection, sooooo....


His flippant answers of "probably not" I can't really defend. FD really lack communications skills, bordering on the levels of corporate aspergers. Actually it's kind of made *ME* angry.

Have you seen this thread? He's probably getting worn down... I don't blame him, the fact he's still responding to this thread is a testament to his willpower

Regardless of this, I still want the game I paid for. If you are not getting the game you paid for, request a refund. Don't do a chargeback though, that's just a D-bag move regardless of the situation.

This, I can agree with.

Whilst all answers are replies, not all replies are answers.

Guess that proves the point. :(

How is this not an answer. They wanted Offline mode, it's not possible while maintaining their vision for the game. Get off the man's back already.

I'm annoyed but he's going to be livid when he finds out and considering I was the one who told him he can play it offline at home, I'm likely to either be down one friend or get punched in the face. Either prospect isn't good. We should have been told this months ago, not 3 weeks from launch.

You need better friends mate...
 
I wish I had read this thread earlier. I have just bought the beta version and am downloading it now and was looking forward to playing offline as promised. However. its probably going to take about 4 or 5 hours to download so my internet connection is not good enough for online play. I was hoping to while away boring nights playing Elite where I am deployed in the crap hole desert that I am in, but now I am going to have to wait before I can even get to do anything. Very disappointed.

This is exactly why the decision to drop offline mode should have been made public at the time the decision was made.
 
I wish I had read this thread earlier. I have just bought the beta version and am downloading it now and was looking forward to playing offline as promised. However. its probably going to take about 4 or 5 hours to download so my internet connection is not good enough for online play. I was hoping to while away boring nights playing Elite where I am deployed in the crap hole desert that I am in, but now I am going to have to wait before I can even get to do anything. Very disappointed.

You can still play solo, it will need to talk to the servers for transactional data - market, missions, etc. Give it a try. If you can download the game then it will work I would imagine.
 
look, not everyone has the ACCESS to play online all of the time, its not about money, its not about any socio-economic factor ..

believe it or not, some people have intermittent internet - that means their net is not reliable, their lag is terrible, their ping is woeful, and they cant maintain a stable connection. not everyone lives in a big city with 100% net access 100% of the time.

*sigh

And honestly, Solo Mode's tax on the Network is not that bad... For those people, who still need to be able to patch the game anyway, to play, I recommend they utilize it.
 
Call me a soulless cynic, but I'd never have backed an online persistent game solely on the basis that the developers suggested it was a possibility they might be able to provide an offline mode.

That's basically what everyone here claiming they'll demand a refund - or worse, asserting that their money was illicitly acquired by FD - has done here.

Maybe I need to spend more time letting go of my logical nature and giving in to my free and hopeful flower of optimism. But until I do that the only thing I can think is...

You did what?

Solo mode is enough for players with slow connections. For everyone else, this isn't the project you were looking for. It's 2014. If you don't have an internet connection, you're going to need to manage your expectations as to what luxuries you're entitled to. An online game isn't one of them. There are very few games, none that I actually know of, that are only distributed online and are based on an online world that also offer 100% offline options.
 
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I personally think that FD shouldn't have promise offline mode during KS

The game probably wouldn't have been kickstarted, in that case. Offline mode was a main incentive to back the game for a lot of us (and multiplayer an incentive to not back it, overruled by solo and offline).
 
OK, this is a rather fast moving thread this morning and I realise I've come across with multiple replies so I'll try boil down to some things that state my views clearly before the usual forum train runs away again:

  • As to the fact that solo offline play will be missing, personally I never paid up for the game based on this but I am sad to see it's not included
  • I completely understand Frontier's position and what Michael has said in relation to why it's no longer in there. I almost expected it to a point
  • I still believe in this game
  • In light of this, I do question when Frontier knew they would cut solo offline mode out
  • If they knew months, or years ago - I am upset at how Frontier have communicated this in the light of today with Michael confirming with certainty there is no offline mode rather than there may be offline mode
  • If they didn't know until this week for sure then actually I don't see how Frontier could have done any better in communicating this
  • I feel sorry for people who backed this game at Kickstarter level on the basis of solo play
  • I however also invite them to remember when they did back on KS they took on every risk that solo play might not have come
  • I don't believe you are entitled to a refund
  • Anyone who bought this game recently through the store based on believing there would be solo offline play and buying it only for this reason should be entitled to a refund as this was not a Kickstarter backer
  • I think people doing chargebacks are terrible people, you should have gone through official channels.
 
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No that's not what "time to time" means. :) WAY more than you're thinking.

yes actually it does go read tis part of the news letter again and read it carefully.

We have also been able to create a connected experience which lets you play your own story whilst in a dynamic, ever unfolding galaxy that is constantly reacting to what you and every other player is doing, be that trading, combat, exploration or missions. This has become fundamental to the whole experience.

Going forwards, being online lets us constantly both curate and evolve the galaxy, with stories unfolding according to the actions of commanders. Exploration is also a key factor, too, and it is important that what a single player explores matches what other players explore whether single or multiplayer – a complex, coherent world – something we have achieved. Galaxy, story, missions, have to match, and it does mean the single player has to connect to the server from time to time, but this has the added advantage that everyone can participate in the activities that can happen in the galaxy. A fully offline experience would be unacceptably limited and static compared to the dynamic, ever unfolding experience we are delivering.

that paragraph preety much echos what i said.. the only question is .. @Mr Brooks "Can solo play runn while not online?" if solo play cannot run offline for periods of time then alas the newsletter is a tad misleading.. if it can then i see no issues!" that everyone should be the bigger question
 
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Problem of all of this is this will have an impact on release.
And not a tiny one because most of reviewer on the web gaming know and follow Elite Dangerous.
This will have consequences.

It could have been avoided if it was stated much more early. Its a design problem so it was in first projects phases.

Beside that, it is like that, we will need to do with it.

I am very disapointed for people who cant even get a regular internet connection .. they will be owned :(
I will be owned for a part too but i will be able to play some week end .. so i dont lost all but some have lost all their intended with this announce.

That make me sad for them.
 


Well maybe this backlash will highlight to you that the game you are setting out to do is not the game your community wants. The majority of people aren't interested in multiplayer in the way Frontier are seemingly obsessed with it. If offline mode was become so impossible then the design decision should have been switched to full on offline mode with the option of a 8 player co-op or something less ambitious.

EA/Maxis set out to make the game they wanted to make but quickly had to u-turn. How on earth did you not look at that situation and not learn from it?

And why did you not feel it appropriate to discuss your concerns earlier with at least the DDF? It makes a mockery of the DDF IMHO.

I welcome your replies on the forum but you seem to be dismissing the fact that most of the anger and disapointment is fueled not by the lack of offline mode but in the secrecy behind the decision and the way it was underhandedly snuck into a PR newsletter. Surely you knew this was going to be a BIG deal?

Where is the source that a Majority of backers and pre-orders are interesting on solo off line over online?
 
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