How you will know who really expected it? You won't. Therefore formal refunding rules apply.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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How you will know who really expected it? You won't. Therefore formal refunding rules apply.
Multiplayer does exist. It has some edges that need smoothing, and various other improvements. Nobody is denying that. But your premise that "Because we can't have offline, multiplayer is evidently the problem" is flawed a little, Commander. I'm sure you, as I, hope it gets fixed in 3.9. In fact, I've made a bet on it
So what exactly is it about a multiplayer effect on the evolving universe that you can not simulate for offline?
And without offline mode there is litterally, not figuratively, no game for plenty of players that helped you kickstart the game you want to make, apparently under false pretenses, and that are now being told to get a refund.
Really, I expect you'll be getting a pretty substantial offer from Ubisoft's PR department any moment now.
I play Far cry 3 And Assassins Creed on my computer. They are online games but I refuse to play these games online after my experiences in Eve, but they play offline perfectly well with updates from time to time. I realise these are storyline based games. So that would have a bearing in the way the game was designed.
Elite Dangerous is not a story based game so is not so easy to convert to offline with updates, I accept that now, but I would have preferred to know that Offline mode was not feasible when I Backed the game. I am lucky yes lucky and fortunate that my Internet speed and quality is no problem. That was not always the case and may not be the case in the future.
My problem is that knowing the mechanics of the game ED must have known a long time ago that Offline was not possible in the game architecture. This should not have been a sudden revalation to ED who knew the architecture. This bomb shell could have been delivered a long time ago. I feel so aggrieved for the people who backed it and will not be able to play due to iffy connections.
Can ED at least make the Solo mode a connection when required not an always on one as is the case now.
I know I have been a pain defending ED sometimes too much, but I am lost in how you could begin to defend this. A lot of us waited a long time for ED and without the offline mode a lot of those will be devastated. If you have a good connection then you don’t have a problem. Try to be less selfish and side with the ones who have lost out, the now exiled players who cannot read these posts every day because of connection or usage limits. I am in complete sympathy with the players who now won’t be able to play. A sad day.
Elite Dangerous is not a story based game so is not so easy to convert to offline with updates, I accept that now, but I would have preferred to know that Offline mode was not feasible when I Backed the game. I am lucky yes lucky and fortunate that my Internet speed and quality is no problem. That was not always the case and may not be the case in the future.
My problem is that knowing the mechanics of the game ED must have known a long time ago that Offline was not possible in the game architecture. This should not have been a sudden revalation to ED who knew the architecture. This bomb shell could have been delivered a long time ago. I feel so aggrieved for the people who backed it and will not be able to play due to iffy connections.
Can ED at least make the Solo mode a connection when required not an always on one as is the case now.
I know I have been a pain defending ED sometimes too much, but I am lost in how you could begin to defend this. A lot of us waited a long time for ED and without the offline mode a lot of those will be devastated. If you have a good connection then you don’t have a problem. Try to be less selfish and side with the ones who have lost out, the now exiled players who cannot read these posts every day because of connection or usage limits. I am in complete sympathy with the players who now won’t be able to play. A sad day.
Yes.
You'd still have your online with all the features you wanted.
The single was planned from the beginning to be "worse" and we accepted that.
I bet on it changing little far as bugs go. Really hoping whatever it is that is preventing me and my friends from playing together gets fixed.Multiplayer does exist. It has some edges that need smoothing, and various other improvements. Nobody is denying that. But your premise that "Because we can't have offline, multiplayer is evidently the problem" is flawed a little, Commander. I'm sure you, as I, hope it gets fixed in 3.9. In fact, I've made a bet on it
He said earlier that refunds would be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.
Also, given your group name of Mobius - how exactly were you planning on doing that offline?
(a little sarcasm there, commander - please don't get offended
)I expected offline mode so I want a refund. An no, formal refund rules do not apply, law trumps personal/business disclaimers every single time.
Michael, we need a pause button, you don't have to give us an offline mode to make this, the global simulation can run online, but a pause button is needed.
I personally can't take on any task that is longer that 10min, mostly because I have a wife and kid that that need my attention. This has led me to not play ED nearly enough as I should or as I want.
Please implement a pause button for Solo Play.
Michael Brookes
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The problem is that you wouldn't have got that. During the kickstarter we thought we would be able to operate a dual mode with the offline version cut down. As we've progressed more of the game has had to exist online, so much so that an offline version would be mostly a new and different game - which is something we can't support.
Michael
Elite, Elite II and First Encounters weren't games then? Interesting.
This is my opinion as well. In fact, I think I will go and buy me a few more paint jobs to support Frontier even more. Anyone with me?
Ooh ooh, me! Me! ::raises hand::
Except that I spent about a good 5 hours last night playing with my mate in Canada teaching him the finer points of bounty hunting... So yeah... I'll see if Leg Warehouse has anything on back-order, they already told me they don't have anything in current inventory...
Which honestly, brings me further in. The less of this we have in the community, the better.
I think you'll find they excel at that.
He meant that online mode also would have to be sacrificed. Otherwise they are making two games instead of one.
When I pledged, I was fully aware of MP being the focus - and the reason I recall that so clearly is because it initially hugely disappointed me. I wanted a single player game, with maybe an optional small group MP mode... but fundamentally, I wanted a new Elite like FFE, but without its technical limitations from the time.
Less than a month away from release, I'm now perfectly happy with the online aspect to the game. I don't take part in dogfights (unless forced to do so by interdiction), since that is not why I ever played the Elite games (though it's nice from time to time), yet just seeing other players doing their thing makes the game feel richer to me somehow (especially that guy who deliberately flew past me as I entered the docking bay, and then proceed to - literally - fly rings around me as I landed. I laughed fairly hard at that particular show off)
I don't really understand how anyone came away from Frontier's initial pitch for KS thinking this would not be a primarily MP and online game. Perhaps I focused on it a lot at the time, and that's why I don't feel cheated, I don't know. But though I'm vaguely disappointed in the lack of a true offline mode (mainly in case E : D doesn't sell enough to last the years I want it to), I have to say I feel they've ultimately made the right choice - even if it is not (rightly or wrongly) the approach I would have taken myself.
Less than a month away from release, I'm now perfectly happy with the online aspect to the game. I don't take part in dogfights (unless forced to do so by interdiction), since that is not why I ever played the Elite games (though it's nice from time to time), yet just seeing other players doing their thing makes the game feel richer to me somehow (especially that guy who deliberately flew past me as I entered the docking bay, and then proceed to - literally - fly rings around me as I landed. I laughed fairly hard at that particular show off
)I don't really understand how anyone came away from Frontier's initial pitch for KS thinking this would not be a primarily MP and online game. Perhaps I focused on it a lot at the time, and that's why I don't feel cheated, I don't know. But though I'm vaguely disappointed in the lack of a true offline mode (mainly in case E : D doesn't sell enough to last the years I want it to), I have to say I feel they've ultimately made the right choice - even if it is not (rightly or wrongly) the approach I would have taken myself.
Agree with it here.
Yes.
The game is pretty much worse for me now, because I have to have an internet connection to play solo.
That's very much worse.
Which you are, judging by your tag ;-)
It's better being able to play an inferior game offline than not able to play it at all imo.
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