And that's understandable. Promises are a dangerous thing. So is the promise that they would release server code at a future point in time when they're prepping to take servers offline.
I guess that's my point, such that it is.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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And that's understandable. Promises are a dangerous thing. So is the promise that they would release server code at a future point in time when they're prepping to take servers offline.
I guess that's my point, such that it is.
Once more. Looking at the future. Solo Online is great until no servers.
I thought that this is what the thread was about ... that there's only offline now on release. I was quite happy with the fact that I wasn't going to interact with any one. Now you're saying it's the opposite. I have to chat and fight with people. I'm livid.
I really got the wrong end of the stick.
No on-line???!!!! That's super annoying. Or was it no Off-line?
Crap ... I can't quite remember now. But either way expect to hear from my lawyer. Who is actually Max Payne. Or that dude from Skyrim ... the one right at the start you never see again. Or Clap Trap. I can't quite remember.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Frontier had an "intent" to respect the backers, during the KS, but they have chosen to cancel it now.
It's not impossible, it just isn't practical to respect backers without impacting their vision.
OMG could you imagine? I would be sharpening my pitch fork. JK
Almost 8 years
. Actually, the first few (the majority) were , then it became big corp or go home D:LOLOLOLOLOL best post ever.
Online purchases of digital content have way less consumer protection than real products bought in the high street. There is a lot of catching up to do with regards to the legalese regarding comsumer protection of virtual items.
Having said that, the EU is WAY ahead of America in this regard.......
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/consumer-marketing/files/crd_arc2014_factsheet-consumer_general_en.pdf
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And who will provide the server code to run said servers?
I am probably the exception but I bought the premium beta because I wanted a space Sim game. Online/Offline by itself did not influence the buy. How they were going to handle PvP did concern me and I researched that part. I understand and sympathize with those who can no longer play due to inet access. If they suddenly announced always on PvP, I might reconsider playing.
Almost 8 years
OMG do you remember last years fan fest when the CEO of CCP a said that we will be holding EVEonline in our handhelds? Lol or what about WIS? The mad people in this thread has NO IDEA how bad it could really be.
Sargon, please. We've already seen what happens here when people post with an angry, inflammatory tone. All it does is generate kick-back responses in kind, which escalate to a point where any original attempt at useful communication is lost in the screaming.
Your first post on this indicated your position on offline play being a requirement, declared your interest in getting a refund... but immediately escalated that with comments about credit card chargebacks, misrepresenation and false advertising!
Your second post went straight to class action lawsuits, bait-and-switch, and "crime"!
If you have a dispute with a merchant, surely the first step for you is to simply contact that merchant directly * and discuss the problem. Have a clear idea as to the desired outcome of the discussion, and guide the discussion towards that outcome.
If you and the other party can't agree on that outcome, discuss reasonable alternatives you can agree on.
If all that fails, there are established ways of dealing with your dispute with the merchant. You don't start with those, though.
* Posting in this mega-thread doesn't count as "contacting the merchant directly".
For me online only mode is also not a deal breaker.
But your second sentence is ridiculous. The "Offline People" wanted a new Elite and after it was stated that it would contain an offline mode
they backed this development as anyone else, because they wanted this game to come true. There is no "wait for the release".
If not enough people backing a project on Kickstarter it will not happen, or it will not as good as when more people spend money on this.
You just try to turn the fault from the developers to the customers, but this is IMHO not legit. It's the developers fault to give promises
that they might can't fulfill, or might not want to fulfill in the future. It's their fault, not the one of the backers who believed in those promises.
And offline vs. online mode is not something like 20 vs. 25 ships or "sorry we just do 100 instead of 200 billion stars in".
This IS a dealbreaker for some players. No matter of it is for me and you. Just try to think yourself in their situation,
as they might work on a oil platform in the Atlantic or for whatever reason have no internet on their gaming machine.
And the other thing on this is making promises and then not stick to them is no good behavior.
Especially when you make people spend money on those promises and then break them.
And even when they refund every one of them now, its just a major disappointment to them, waiting 2 Years for something they care
and in the end, only got punched in the face by a company that just feel no needs to stick on their promises.
Looks like I better get prepared...ED are giving away Elite for the BBC on the store...
Could come in handy that one J/K
Honestly, what I remember most was later in my game play. I was part of the BoB vs. goonswarm war (I was on the BoB side). That was the beginning of the end for the small corp. After that it was major alliance player only access to resources to get anywhere. On the flip side, the major battles were a gas. I should bring the killboard back online for old time's sake.
Not helpful - couldn't you either welcome a new forum member in a civil way and engage in constructive conversation, or not bother to post?
We have been invited (by Mods) to comment in this thread, in order to register how we feel about offline being cancelled, so FD can gauge reaction.
If you aren't interested, why would you think anyone would be interested to hear that from you?
The points made on both sides of this debate have been made over and over so many times that it's become absurd. No new point has been made since page four. And yet people still push on, repeating themselves and others, and it looks like there's no end to it.
The arguments in favor of an always-offline single player mode are numerous and shouldn't have to be defended or repeated like this. And yet here we are.
The only thing I want to know is why the apologists are so bent out of shape about the people who are bent out of shape over FD's announcement. On one hand they say it shouldn't matter, it's only a game, grow up, grow up, grow up, ad nauseam. Well what about these apologists, then, getting so upset over some backlash on a forum? It shouldn't matter, it's only a forum, grow up.
The bottom line is this: there's a fight to be had and some of these people just can't stop themselves from getting involved. These apologists---they have no stake in the matter whatsoever. They love multiplayer. They think it's grand. So they should go be happy with it and leave the people who are upset to their misery. These people (whose mantra, once again, always seems to be "grow up") have involved themselves in this thread for the express purpose of debating for the sake of debating. Ironic.
My little post won't change anything, of course, but I simply had to express this overpowering disgust for the people who have turned this thread---a thread which should've been a proper and unified backlash against a company which has screwed many of its backers---into a cheap debate where one holier-than-thou group has the audacity to try and tell another group how they should or shouldn't feel about something.
As for the relative importance of the matter at hand (and real money exchanging hands notwithstanding) it may only be a game, yes, but it's going to suck up hours and hours of our lives in the coming years. I'd say that makes it important by anyone's standard. Therefore, once again, if people are angry about a decision from the designers then they should be able to vent their frustrations without a bunch of argumentative griefers giving them grief.
The arguments in favor of an always-offline single player mode are numerous and shouldn't have to be defended or repeated like this. And yet here we are.
The only thing I want to know is why the apologists are so bent out of shape about the people who are bent out of shape over FD's announcement. On one hand they say it shouldn't matter, it's only a game, grow up, grow up, grow up, ad nauseam. Well what about these apologists, then, getting so upset over some backlash on a forum? It shouldn't matter, it's only a forum, grow up.
The bottom line is this: there's a fight to be had and some of these people just can't stop themselves from getting involved. These apologists---they have no stake in the matter whatsoever. They love multiplayer. They think it's grand. So they should go be happy with it and leave the people who are upset to their misery. These people (whose mantra, once again, always seems to be "grow up") have involved themselves in this thread for the express purpose of debating for the sake of debating. Ironic.
My little post won't change anything, of course, but I simply had to express this overpowering disgust for the people who have turned this thread---a thread which should've been a proper and unified backlash against a company which has screwed many of its backers---into a cheap debate where one holier-than-thou group has the audacity to try and tell another group how they should or shouldn't feel about something.
As for the relative importance of the matter at hand (and real money exchanging hands notwithstanding) it may only be a game, yes, but it's going to suck up hours and hours of our lives in the coming years. I'd say that makes it important by anyone's standard. Therefore, once again, if people are angry about a decision from the designers then they should be able to vent their frustrations without a bunch of argumentative griefers giving them grief.
Aye come the zombie invasion we are all in the doo, doo. However how far in the future things go none of us know, panicking about something that hasn't happened yet seems a tad strange.
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