No Single Player offline Mode then?

[Juniper]

Sorry that i cant find it now but i saw Micheal answer this concern a day ago, i cannot remember the exact words but it was to the effect that if FD ever went down they would make sure that we would still be able to play it.

If Frontier ever went down the pan, that might not be their decision to make. Plenty of games out there which are stuck in litigation hell, even when the creators would love to release the source or binaries they are legally prevented from doing so.

An escrow agreement between Frontier and the community might be the answer.

 

[SuBSynk]

Can't believe I am reading this on a ELITE forum. This game was initially financed by people who still play the original game which is around 30 years old.
You might be happy with playing it for a short while, then throwing it away and never thinking about it again, but other people don't discard their favourite games like this.

i still occasionally play the original Elite but to think that the gaming world isn't changing at a dramatic pace is silly. I do not think games will be played on monitors in 30 years let alone sat in a chair. The rate of progress is exponential.

 

[Jackruss]

I purchased the Beta version on the 19th Oct, I joined these forums on the 6th Nov. I do not have to time or inclination to be on my computer posting constant messages to forums when I have other things to do. I do not post my life on twitter or facebook that seems to be current drug of choice in the world of constantly being online.
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The reason I purchased the game ED was purely to play offline, just like the articles in magazines over the last couple of years stated I could do.
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For the younger generation I understand that for you the ever changing online world is a big plus, you have grown up with online games. For me an online game is a put off, I avoid connecting my PS3 to the online world & I would never choose to play an online variant of a game.
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I would like to play ED at my own pace, I do not have the luxury of being able to play everyday, at times my computer is dormant for 2 or 3 weeks as my life does not allow for such breaks. Would I find it interesting knowing in 3 weeks time that my solo online game environment has changed so much that I have to rethink my strategy to play catch-up.
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Whilst I understand what FD are doing & why they want to bring the experience of their dreams to the masses - they should also remember that not everybody that wants this game is a teenage geek with time on their hands. Some of us who were teenage geeks in the early 80's enjoyed the original and truly remarkable game Elite. Yes, we have to move on but we shouldn't be left on the side-lines.
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This isn't a rant, and I sincerely hope that those who go the refund route get one. As mentioned in previous posts my friend is in that boat, he pre-ordered the game (not the beta) due to articles in the press (not on forums or the internet). He does not have an internet connection & cannot get one. I believe that by 2018 broadband will be available in the area where he lives.
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For him the offline mode was a godsend, he could buy the game and enjoy it.
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We are not trolls, we do not post unnecessary posts on forums to get our point across, we are middle aged geeks who fell for the marketing techniques used to get our money for a game that we will not now enjoy. Sadly it is a deal breaker for some and I have to decide over the next couple of days (depending on any further information released by FD) if I choose to stay with the game.

I am still playing catch up, but this post is pretty clear and I too am waiting for a response from ED then I will make my Decision.
I left the Egosoft X series when they said Rebirth would be distributed by Steam and no DRM disc would be made. I still feel the same I need a DRM free disk to play when I want, where I want, that's one on the main reasons why I joined the kickstarter.

 

[Nomadski]

Sorry but it's not on the same level... not even remotely.

I suppose that depends on which side of the argument the reader is on.

 

[Aldric]

That's a really crappy attitude to have about the thing. Sorry.

I am online most of the time, that does not mean that I want to play online most of the time. I have a 6 week old son who demands immediate attention. If I can't pause a game wherever I am and continue from there the chances aren't great that I will actually play the game and finish it, or enjoy all of my time playing it.

Sometimes people go on holiday and would like to take a game with to play, or go overseas, or their Internet line goes down. That should not affect your ability to play a game. Offline mode was promised, and some semblance of that should be delivered. Alternatively they should apologize heavily and reward / refund those who may have bought the game for that reason.

You can still play the game just like you have been doing so up till now, when the game comes out you will still be able to play it, i have no attitude, just stating the logic of the situation, you have been able to play since you pledged and will still be able to do so, if you really dont want to play then ask for a refund, it really is that simple.

And please refrain from making it personel with my attitude statement.

 

[hjd_uk]

Frontier ( Elite 2 ) Had an entire procedurally generated galaxy, NPCs, planets, stations, pirates, police, an economy etc and it fitted on a single 1.44Mb Floppy disc.
How can offline play be so hard in 2014 ?

 

[Erna Jedermann]

You can criticise Frontier - I have many times in the past.

Threats and intimidation however are not cool and there is lots of that going on in this thread

I was upset about that Idiocy thread which I quote...and later I apologize.... we all run hot with things we love....

 

[deej]

How can offline play be so hard in 2014 ?

It isn't hard.

See: Limit Theory. (written by one kid in his bedroom)

 

[CmdrPSB]

Frontier ( Elite 2 ) Had an entire procedurally generated galaxy, NPCs, planets, stations, pirates, police, an economy etc and it fitted on a single 1.44Mb Floppy disc.
How can offline play be so hard in 2014 ?

Because it was a lot of very clever mathematical trickery. ED is using a lot less in the way of smoke and mirrors and doing a lot more of the actual work Frontier very successfully pretended it was doing.

 

[jabokai]

I don't see how frontier should refund anyone who has PLEDGED money. You havent bought the game, you funded development on kickstarter, the terms and conditions of which are firmly in frontier's court on this one.

I've posted this before, but here what KS FAQ actually says -

What is a creator obligated to do once their project is funded?

When a project is successfully funded, the creator is responsible for completing the project and fulfilling each reward. Their fundamental obligation to backers is to finish all the work that was promised. Once a creator has done so, they’ve fulfilled their obligation to their backers. At the same time, backers must understand that Kickstarter is not a store. When you back a project, you’re helping to create something new — not ordering something that already exists. There’s a chance something could happen that prevents the creator from being able to finish the project as promised. If a creator is absolutely unable to complete the project and fulfill rewards, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to a satisfying conclusion for their backers.

 

[ecgallagher]

Its this for me. I feel like I pledged a heck of a lot of money for a game I will never own. I wish Frontier would get this - I think this is why so many original backers backed the game and why they said Offline Mode was so important to their decision.

Seems like there are 3 camps:

1. No or poor internet access - have to play offline
2. DRM
3. Availability of game in the future.

Solutions:
1. Nothing can probably be done for them at this point.
2. Might as well debate religion or politics
3. FD guarantees an offline conversion when the servers shut down so you can still play years into the future.

Sounds like if #3 happens many would be satisfied. Is this true?

 

[Ydiss]

Definitely, the amount of collective anger will influence their decisions.

Not when the decision is handled on an individual basis. You're either entitled or not. And it'll come down to your own circumstances.

The level of discontent was clear hundreds of pages ago. Posting circular arguments here will have zero impact on your claim.

There isn't even anything to debate. It's not going to change, this isn't a design discussion thread. And most people, including myself, feel refunds are applicable for some people negatively affected by this; that is, the players who won't be able to play any more.

What else is left?

 

[jamotide]

i still occasionally play the original Elite but to think that the gaming world isn't changing at a dramatic pace is silly. I do not think games will be played on monitors in 30 years let alone sat in a chair. The rate of progress is exponential.

If it were exponential ED would not still be polygons and textures like decades ago.

 

[SuBSynk]

I don't see how frontier should refund anyone who has PLEDGED money. You havent bought the game, you funded development on kickstarter, the terms and conditions of which are firmly in frontier's court on this one.

I personally feel that singleplayer offline mode should be in there to put this matter to bed, but there's no precedent for them to do ANYTHING about it whatsoever. The threats of legal action and such are incredibly funny to watch.

And as for other posters personal circumstances regarding children etc, really? frontier should implement something because you want to be able to fit their videogame around your parenting? Again, laughable!

ohh it reaches unbelievable levels.

I want to be far out to sea and play!

I'm a soldier in a war zone and still want to play!...madness it really is.

 

[Voivod]

I suppose that depends on which side of the argument the reader is on.

I don't see people who still support the game constantly trolling, predicting a fiery end or accusing FD of every sin under the sun when really they're only to blame about one thing:
Bad communication.

 

[jamotide]

You must be either a kickstarter/alpha/beta otherwise how would you have acsess to this forum, and the fact that you have played or not played is irrelevent, logically if you dont want to play it then go refund.

That is what I did. But your whole point was that I "logically" must have played the game to be here.

 

[rontana]

I for one am rather saddened by the loss of fully offline play, not because of internet availability, but for the potential loss of future playability. The original elite has been around since 1984, and is still playable to this day (its even available to download from frontier's shop right now) I've been playing that game and its successors on and off for the past 30 years and had a huge amount of enjoyment from that. However with online only the lifetime of Elite: Dangerous is now beholden to how long Frontier can keep the back end servers up and running. Will they still be running in 5, 10, 20 years time? by then original BBC elite will be playable and celebrating its 50th birthday

I'm not saying ED sucks, in fact I have enjoyed every minute of playing (excluding boosting my T6 full of gold into the side of station) of the Alpha and the Beta's and an very much looking forward to the full launch. I'm just sad that in the not so far flung future I wont be able to fire up ED for a nostalgia binge and just like I can do with Elite, Fronter & First Encounters

 

[deej]

3. FD guarantees an offline conversion when the servers shut down so you can still play years into the future.

Sounds like if #3 happens many would be satisfied. Is this true?

Do you mean like FD's prior guarantee of offline mode?

 

[jamotide]

Not when the decision is handled on an individual basis. You're either entitled or not. And it'll come down to your own circumstances.

The level of discontent was clear hundreds of pages ago. Posting circular arguments here will have zero impact on your claim.

Oh it will, look at Simcity offline.

 

[Toumal]

Seems like there are 3 camps:

1. No or poor internet access - have to play offline
2. DRM
3. Availability of game in the future.

Solutions:
1. Nothing can probably be done for them at this point.
2. Might as well debate religion or politics
3. FD guarantees an offline conversion when the servers shut down so you can still play years into the future.

Sounds like if #3 happens many would be satisfied. Is this true?

An entire thread with over 390 pages summarized in one single post. Have some +rep.