No Single Player offline Mode then?

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jamotide

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phlOgistOn said:
V nice, just reading the Drew Wagar blog and it's spot on with how I feel about the situation, especially re: KS refunds etc

http://www.drewwagar.com/progress-report/elite-dangerous-and-playing-offline/
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Really? After all of our discussions about DRM you still go with that? The guy claims it has nothing to do with DRM, because the always-on requirement is just for playing. Does he really thing there will be no DRM protection on those servers? No serial or passkey to access them?

His cherrypicked quote from kickstarter about no refunds is misleading at best, malicious at worst.
 

Seonid

Seonid
Vlodec said:
And in doing so he's simply stoking the fire, needlessly.
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And a number of posters in this thread are not? Or do you consider it rational adult behaviour to make claims of lies, conspiracy to defraud and taking "action" at the upcoming event?
 

Namix

Namix
stimutacs said:
Well, I'd suggest that in terms of a refund, EU/UK/AU consumer protection law is actually quite robust and I know in terms of Australia denying digital refunds and making false representations about Australian's rights to one is exactly the sort of thing Valve is currently being done for by the ACCC.

If you wanted to make a big legal mess, I'd go the other way as the other chap suggested and see what the SEC (or FSA) would make of what's been happening.
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The idea of a refund is perfectly fine, all im trying to point out to people is that the entire issue with single player offline mode etc has not broken anything, refunds are a different matter tho.
 

deusx_ophc

deusx_ophc
Solei said:
This really deserves to be quoted here:

"Let’s see. A company promises a very specific item, like offline single player play in order to glean more money from backers, and then waits until the very latest possible moment, before revealing that, “oh, sorry, we really won’t be doing that, psych.”

Seems to me that they would have known they were not going to have offline months and months ago, in fact from probably the very beginning, since you have to build the architecture pretty early on.

And now, when finally the people who in many cases backed this game BECAUSE offline was so explicitly promised, are told, “too bad for you, we’ve got your money and we will do as we see fit with it.”

Then, when they get mad and complain about being lied to, along come these strange creatures who try to justify the lies and spin it all around to make it look like the poor consumer is somehow at fault. “Most people are always online anyway, this is 2014, how 2013 of you to even think you would want a game that isn’t connected.” They are messing with your head, and implying, however obliquely and politely, that you are an idiot and passe merely because you expect a game that does not require a constant online connection.

You are being conditioned people. Conditioned by a very subtle pseudo peer pressure mechanic. The constant online is nothing more than DRM, plain and simple. They make up lame excuses to justify it, but in the end, it’s all fabrication designed to get you to swallow the constant online pill being shoved down your throat."

- JusticeInTruth, a guy from the RPS news
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well at least the much maligned offline players are online enough to keep this thread alive & kicking for well over 72hrs :D
 

mbpoblet

mbpoblet
Titus Balls said:
Ahh I see you've opted for the 1 day graph.

If you check the 5 day, you'll see the stock price is higher than it was 5 days ago and against a month ago it's still an upward trend.

Please don't cherry pick for your arguments
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Er... this whole debacle started three days ago. Before the weekend. Give it time. (Launch will probably be even worse, though).
 

Vlodec

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Vlodec
Seonid said:
And a number of posters in this thread are not? Or do you consider it rational adult behaviour to make claims of lies, conspiracy to defraud and taking "action" at the upcoming event?
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No, their behaviour too is not exemplary. Is that relevant?
 

Windsaw

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Zargor said:
No matter how many hours you "dump" into it, it's still a game, you're supposed to have fun. If I spend hundreds of hours playing a game I have not "dumped" my time but I spent it while being entertained. Even if I never play it anymore, I still had fun up to that moment. It's not like you are creating your future or something, you are playing a game.
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Exactly.
YOU had fun until that moment and can immediately let go.
Many people are not like that, myself included.
I have never been a person who could let go easily of anything. This has its downsides, I admit, but it defines what I am and what I do. If, for example, my mother were about to die and could prevent that loss, I would do that, and not say something like "well, it was fun with her until that moment".
If I could.
With living people it's that I can't prevent the loss.
In computer games I can.
And I am doing it.

With ED I am especially angry because I beta-tested for them. Did I have fun doing it?
Some, but probably not as much as others. Because of the wipes. I stopped grinding for money after Beta 1 because I didn't see any point in it. But I really wanted this game to be good and that's why I kept testing it.
And I saw enough that I knew I would love it when it finally came out.

Right now I realize that I wasted my time. Much of the time was just for testing anyway. Even the parts that were really fun feel stale now and I wonder if I will be able to look back at the time and remember it fondly because my disappointment would supersede the positive memories.

With FD I am angry.
But I am not even going to write what I think about the people who claim I should not get a refund because, after all, I already got to play the game (in beta) and have fun with it. To me, this is adding insult to injury.
 
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Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
WeirdWizard said:
Yep always good to go to totally unbiased folks like a officially sanctioned writer of an Elite Dangerous novel for your news and commentary.
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He's also actual guy who pulled out Kickstarter from complete stop. He and other tie-in book writers did it. Not offliners how they love to claim.
 

Elison Muerte

Elison Muerte
I live on a hill, deep in the Peak District, my internet is bad, I have unstable 1.5meg ADSL. And yet since beta I've had no issues with Solo play, I've also played in a Private Group with three friends and have only had the occasional issue with FSD Wakes.

I doubt many people have a worse internet connection than me. If they do and they can't play then give them a refund. If they don't and they're just moaning because they've nothing better to do then give them a refund, because they shouldn't be allowed to play Elite.
 
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