Doesn't really take that much power, since not many of those orbits actually change over human (or even frame shifted) time scales.
Hell, it worked in 1997.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Doesn't really take that much power, since not many of those orbits actually change over human (or even frame shifted) time scales.
Hell, it worked in 1997.
No he dont want Bots and exploits and lags....but the VISION said it will not happen.
Well, its not even fine print, so you could of read it before you bought it.
The Icelandic MMO has probably the best market system of any game ever made...because it's constant player vs player which is why they have an economist on staff just to monitor it. It has 'active' participants doing the resource extraction, manufacture and distribution all player led which makes it far more interesting than an exploitable AI.
(I'm playing Eve whilst posting here btw ^^)
Again NOW........please be honest....sorry I forget.....FD said it was since the first day so and never nothing had change since than....the VISON will makes all happy.
I haven't words to express what I read there.
The supportive comments were great to see. I think both communities generally respect the legacy of both games.
But the lad there... just no words.
I'm curious if anyone who bought the Mercenary Edition first, at £35, and then got the beta as a £15 upgrade*, has tried for a refund. Are they to be treated differently to those who just ordered the £50 beta?
*As per the stated, from the newsletter, "If you have already pre-ordered the final game you can still become part of the Beta now and take advantage of the lasting benefits that will give you, by upgrading your account, which will cost you an additional £15."
I"m sorry, the storpage for the Digital Beta Access is quite clear on the matter, Woodstock...
That actually (and after re-reading my own store page) looks like a package deal... There's nothing free in there. All of it was paid for in one go and so we're back to a "faulty download" as the full game is not as described.
Sorry no refund because you download beta....thank you that you pay for testing the VISION.
I"m sorry, the storpage for the Digital Beta Access is quite clear on the matter, Woodstock...
Thanks for the pic .. It sais "on the games full release you also get". ....Just because there is a delay between getting beta and the full game doesn't mean the game is free it just means you get it later.
People can dance on legal pinheads all they want. In the real world Frontier raised kickstarter money and then continued to take money on the categoric assurance of solo offline mode. Now they are blanket denying refunds and in doing so have made a bonfire of their reputation.
That's their choice. Everything that happens beyond this point, not the least being a giant fall in projected sales from the tidal wave of bad publicity they have explicitly chosen to bring in themselves. I'm unhappy because I want new customers coming in to fund future developments.
I find it hard to believe it's come to this point but it has.
That's their choice. Everything that happens beyond this point, not the least being a giant fall in projected sales from the tidal wave of bad publicity they have explicitly chosen to bring in themselves. I'm unhappy because I want new customers coming in to fund future developments.
I find it hard to believe it's come to this point but it has.
I disagree, I believe their reputation remains intact. I also believe they are morally right to refuse refunds to people who have been experiencing Elite D for weeks and/or months who then ask for their money back.
As I've said previously, FD's legal dept have probably been over this with a fine toothed comb (and they are professionals). What we are seeing from FD regarding refunds is certainly a reflection of the legal team's opinion of the strength of their legal position.
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Not that they are infallible, there was a case in PB of a chap who managed to get a refund of PB, because he didn't like it. He thought he was buying a "beta" in the modern "early access demo" sense and wanted his money back. A chap on the forum whose wife specialised in digital law pointed out a flaw in FD's purchase process that due to an EU ruling that came into force a few days before the chap bought the PB meant he could get a refund. He went to FD with the "case", and got a refund a day or so later. A day after that FD updated the launcher with new T&C wording to close the loophole. My point here is that FD will pay up when the legal case against them is strong. This bloke hadn't a moral leg to stand on, he bought the PB on a whim, didn't read the description, got annoyed that there were bugs wanted a refund and started mouthing off. Luckily for him this chap advised him, he got a refund and FD closed the hole.
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The fact that FD (and by extension FD legal) aren't paying up in a lot of cases means they think the legal case for a refund is weak, and they are the professionals.
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Not that they are infallible, there was a case in PB of a chap who managed to get a refund of PB, because he didn't like it. He thought he was buying a "beta" in the modern "early access demo" sense and wanted his money back. A chap on the forum whose wife specialised in digital law pointed out a flaw in FD's purchase process that due to an EU ruling that came into force a few days before the chap bought the PB meant he could get a refund. He went to FD with the "case", and got a refund a day or so later. A day after that FD updated the launcher with new T&C wording to close the loophole. My point here is that FD will pay up when the legal case against them is strong. This bloke hadn't a moral leg to stand on, he bought the PB on a whim, didn't read the description, got annoyed that there were bugs wanted a refund and started mouthing off. Luckily for him this chap advised him, he got a refund and FD closed the hole.
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The fact that FD (and by extension FD legal) aren't paying up in a lot of cases means they think the legal case for a refund is weak, and they are the professionals.
lool have you read any other forum than this? Frontier Dev is worse than EA right now, and trust in kickstarter is suffering from this as well. Especially now that they deny refunds to the DRM free backers.
I agree.... If they didn't make this PR STUNTS (finally it was more than one...)... they maybe has the chance of an good christmas sales...but no offline means that santa brings less ED to the Kids...
only advertise from beginning as MMO only and all will be clear....
For the knights.....they never has really plan an offline....it doesn't match the VISION....and its bad that your shining armor is so bright that you can't see what lays around....keep on shining.
I to disagree, yes FD's rep has been damaged in some people's eyes, but I think the majority of backers aren't bothered.
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Personally I think FD's stance on refunds is morally fine, we're all grown ups, we should look carefully into something before putting our cash down. Those that didn't and got burned can count this as a cheap lesson in looking before leaping.
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I feel sorry for those that genuinely needed offline (the submariners, sailors, arctic explores and travelling salesmen), but funding development is always a little risky. If you want zero risk, wait until release, read some reviews, play at friends and then buy if you like it.
I don't know weather have someone done some testing, and I am not going to read through 542 pages. Just for fun, I did, just now.
First try:
So I am docked in a station I have disconnected my network. BANG out to menu, then desktop, then it just crushed. To be fair I did see save and exit option, but as I clicked it then kicked me out to the desktop.
Second try:
In space. Disconnected the network. After some 5 sec BANG out to the menu. Save and exit now worked.
In both cases I had to manually kill the exe process because it did not exit properly, so enjoy also using the task manager folks.
First try:
So I am docked in a station I have disconnected my network. BANG out to menu, then desktop, then it just crushed. To be fair I did see save and exit option, but as I clicked it then kicked me out to the desktop.
Second try:
In space. Disconnected the network. After some 5 sec BANG out to the menu. Save and exit now worked.
In both cases I had to manually kill the exe process because it did not exit properly, so enjoy also using the task manager folks.
^ what beelbeebub said
Also I really don't think the intention was to deceive or con people but was probably just naivety - the same naivety that has made this an engrossing beta to follow. It hasn't been a PR guy checking the T&C's before leaking limited information each time, it's been DB's enthusiasm that got us all hooked directly with the source of the vision.
I do sympathise with those who haven't got what they wanted, but I also sympathise with DB who's probably spent a few cold november days being brought upto date on 21st century litigation and business practices after what's been an enjoyable journey so far
Also I really don't think the intention was to deceive or con people but was probably just naivety - the same naivety that has made this an engrossing beta to follow. It hasn't been a PR guy checking the T&C's before leaking limited information each time, it's been DB's enthusiasm that got us all hooked directly with the source of the vision.
I do sympathise with those who haven't got what they wanted, but I also sympathise with DB who's probably spent a few cold november days being brought upto date on 21st century litigation and business practices after what's been an enjoyable journey so far
Not weeks...... 32 h because I have to work....
one here wrote one unhapyy customer brings 50 non customer...and that is true
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