Why? Are you offering?
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Why? Are you offering?
I have 'only' lost £100 but Braben has taught me a valuable lesson, don't invest in kickstarter games.
If KS doesn't care, then they maintain this attitude at their own peril. Word of mouth is a huge factor when it comes to products and services and if they get the reputation for hosting shady companies like FD (yes, I wrote it because it's true) then they too will gain a shady reputation and their business will suffer.
From the same page linked by poet1960:
You know what is strange? I could not wait for the game. I really could not. As one of me mates told me recently: Enough with the Elite already. Do you have a life at all?
I would be droning on and on endlessly how cool it looks how good it feels, how perfect it is.
Funny... I couldn't even bother to watch the Wonders of the Galaxy video in the latest newsletter. Strange. I lost interest.
So here we are. I have been lied to, but I am not angry. Really not. I will not ask for a refund. Why? Because I am a NOBODY,
and this has become normal in business. And being a NOBODY I can't change anything.
They have lied to me.
Why does it matter? In an online game with thousands upon thousands of people you are a NOBODY. One of the many. One that cannot change anything. You don't matter. I have played EVE. Oh boy how I like it. I mean the world is perfect, the setting is beyond cool. I tried it and I know that I would enjoy it immensely. It took me about 4 weeks to realise that I am NOBODY in it. Now I am NOBODY in ELITE as well. No matter what I do I will not achieve anything. It has no meaning in any way. I cannot be the shining hero that saves the day, or try to make the world a better place. In single player games I am that hero. I MATTER. I know it is not real but still I MATTER.
I found it strange that many people seemed gleeful of the plight of their fellows. Of those that really hoped to play this game in their retreats. It was their now lost dream of becoming a child for a little bit longer before age reclaim it's hold on us, but now they can't because of the constant online requirement. Those people that went their frustrations and anger invested in the game emotionally. They suffered real loss. They lost a dream. And what did they get? Ridicule and hatred, but no empathy from so many of us.
Let's face it, we are NOBODIES.
I personally don't think that the game will last long. Perhaps about 2 years maybe even less. Something new will come more exciting and enjoyable online experience and then the servers will die, and with them the game will die also, but I sincerely hope that I am wrong.
Well I wish you all a good gaming experience. Have fun, and don't mind a rumblings of a old and tired man.
Best of wishes from a NOBODY.
I would be droning on and on endlessly how cool it looks how good it feels, how perfect it is.
Funny... I couldn't even bother to watch the Wonders of the Galaxy video in the latest newsletter. Strange. I lost interest.
So here we are. I have been lied to, but I am not angry. Really not. I will not ask for a refund. Why? Because I am a NOBODY,
and this has become normal in business. And being a NOBODY I can't change anything.
They have lied to me.
Why does it matter? In an online game with thousands upon thousands of people you are a NOBODY. One of the many. One that cannot change anything. You don't matter. I have played EVE. Oh boy how I like it. I mean the world is perfect, the setting is beyond cool. I tried it and I know that I would enjoy it immensely. It took me about 4 weeks to realise that I am NOBODY in it. Now I am NOBODY in ELITE as well. No matter what I do I will not achieve anything. It has no meaning in any way. I cannot be the shining hero that saves the day, or try to make the world a better place. In single player games I am that hero. I MATTER. I know it is not real but still I MATTER.
I found it strange that many people seemed gleeful of the plight of their fellows. Of those that really hoped to play this game in their retreats. It was their now lost dream of becoming a child for a little bit longer before age reclaim it's hold on us, but now they can't because of the constant online requirement. Those people that went their frustrations and anger invested in the game emotionally. They suffered real loss. They lost a dream. And what did they get? Ridicule and hatred, but no empathy from so many of us.
Let's face it, we are NOBODIES.
I personally don't think that the game will last long. Perhaps about 2 years maybe even less. Something new will come more exciting and enjoyable online experience and then the servers will die, and with them the game will die also, but I sincerely hope that I am wrong.
Well I wish you all a good gaming experience. Have fun, and don't mind a rumblings of a old and tired man.
Best of wishes from a NOBODY.
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That! That casts a doubt on their KS promises and announcements.
But it's not an XOR decision - the whole argument against offline seems to be that it would be "boring" and not the "vision" FD have for it, so they pull it. But in reality if offline is "boring" because it plays the same as the previous offline only Elite titles then bring on the boring - I signed up for Elite with 21st century graphics and AI personally so I would be happy with that. And if it doesn't meet their "vision" then either FD's vision is at fault (not my problem) or FD have not allocated resources to meet their vision, despite people pledging money specifically for that reason which again is a FD problem and not mine.
Offline does not affect online in any way, except if resources for delivering offline need to be allocated to online in order to deliver online - but we pledged and paid money for offline so diverting those resources is at best project management incompetence. providing offline to the detriment of online would not in fact be offline impacting online, it would be FD's failures affecting online.
Why should they if they were not certain about it?
If by that you mean you won't back LT, that's just fine, you don't need to, it's already funded, in fact you CAN'T back it now. Just have to wait for it now.
I know I've posted a lot on the side of the offliners. Mostly in an effort to make a point about businesses, what they think about consumers and their longevity.
This post just makes me sad.
It's not the loss of faith in FD, or that it even existed in the first place. It's the fact that someone has lost the excitement for something as big and wondrous as this galaxy could/can/will be.
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Oh and sorry, I thought you saw the newletters, they tried alternative after alternative in an attempt to get it to work, when this proved fruitless, they released an email.
me posting on here about how I am upset with a decision that was backed by my hard earned cash is orders of magnitudes less sad than you posting about how I need to assess my life
It's ok I'm not really offended but you did call me stupid. Maybe I am, probably
The other thing is that it seems as if FD are more or less saying:
"well actually our vision is what we told you about early in the Kickstarter, and those of you who came in late and changed that vision, well we don't want you anymore, we don't want to honour our promise to you, but we want to keep your money."
That appears to be quite deceittful, if that has been their intention, from where I am standing at this point in time. Straight from the horses mouth if you care to look at it carefully, it's just not worded so openly on the newsletters & forum Q&A's of course, but it is there.
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Please note I originaly made a mistake by not paraphrasing something that wasn't a quote but was infact my interpritation of the events unfolding concerding the theme of this thread. I have no ill will toward anyone involed with this forum.
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I learnt that lesson long before ED... But I wanted Elite so much I risked it...No offline...Disappointed.....Playing Elite...ecstatic !!
It's ok I'm not really offended but you did call me stupid. Maybe I am, probably
The other thing is that FD are saying:
"well actually our vision is what we told you about early in the Kickstarter, and those of you who came in late and changed that vision, well we don't want you anymore, we don't want to honour our promise to you, but we want to keep you money."
That appears to be quite deceittful from where I am standing at this point in time. Straight from the horsed mouth from newsletters & forum Q&A's.
Easy Fix... Refund all the unhappy players and all of this goes away. (Imagine that)
Hmm, since they were working so hard in those attempts to get it to work, that implies they knew it WASN'T working, or at the very least was having issues. WHY didn't they just come right out then and say, "hey guys, we are having problems and are working on it, we're not sure how this is going to work out?"
Waiting until the last minute does not suggest openness, it suggests rather the complete opposite.
The big problem I have with that is that the reason why people are getting refunds denied is because they've downloaded / played alpha or beta.
Alpha was released almost exactly a year ago, a full year into development. If they were having issues with offline, or they realised (and they certainly must have done) that development was heading in a direction that would make it impossible to develop the two modes in parallel then that information should have been conveyed to the backers at that point.
Nothing downloaded, nothing played, some people obviously disappointed that the game turned out differently to what they were expecting / hoping for, but refunds given. Life goes on, and Frontier continue on their always-on MMO with MTs with the people who are left.
What has happened instead is - they had a meeting recently where they had to bullet point the things they had to get out for release. Offline came up as one of those things. Because it was agreed, promised, money changed hands, good faith, blah blah etc. Suddenly they realised that they couldn't do it, because they hadn't planned for it in any way whatsoever as they've been wholly fixated on their social online networking whateverblah. You can't just throw these things together at the last minute - they have to be planned into the architecture support from day one. They weren't.
A lie of omission is still a lie.
It probably was an honest mistake, but it doesn't explain why it was ignored up until the recent Release Sprint meeting. That casts into question the very ethics of putting it on the Kickstarter in the first place... and why that was done.
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