Newcomer / Intro Noob Jump help redirect around star

Cmdr Bob Xander

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Hi. Please help. Please. The tutorials went so well. I don't know what's going wrong

After some unfortunate 'learning by doing' I find myself needing to jump to get back to my mission.
Some jumps go well, exactly according to the guides helpfully posted by generous players.

Sometimes it goes badly.

I am wondering if these are bugs or user error. As they are inconsistent, I'm guessing bugs.

I have jumped in to Capricorni DRV B21 in my Sidewinder and my next destination, Gonali, is on the other side of a star. It's a big star.
I have to go around the star.

  1. Frame Shift Drive (FSD) Overheats
    1. I can't just motor around it, I want to use Supercruise to travel out from the star to clear my destination vector. I press 'J'. The supercruise charging overheats the ship and 'boom'
    2. I deselect my destination and select something in front of me. No difference. Overheat. Boom.
  2. Apply Throttle
    1. I try to supercruise away and as it charges, the message 'Apply Throttle' comes up. My throttle axis is all the way forward (MS Sidewinder joystick). The throttle is now unresponsive and the speed is at 30,000KM
    2. Overheat and Boom
  3. No Jump
    1. I choose another target to aim for to get me to jump around this star. 400L instead of 6LY.
    2. I press J but only get supercruise, not hyperspace. No Mass Lock, no hardpoints or landing gear out.
I have tried changing key bindings on the fly, as well as exiting the game and restarting, but sometimes that puts me 2 jumps back, which is pants, and then I get one of these occasional problems. Other times all goes well.

What am I missing?
 
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Robert Maynard
Have you pressed "Silent Running" by accident?

Another tip: assign "Hyper-Jump" to a different key than "Super-Cruise" (I use CTRL-J and J respectively).
 

Darrack

Darrack
Cmdr Bob Xander said:
Hi. Please help. Please. The tutorials went so well. I don't know what's going wrong

After some unfortunate 'learning by doing' I find myself needing to jump to get back to my mission.
Some jumps go well, exactly according to the guides helpfully posted by generous players.

Sometimes it goes badly.

I am wondering if these are bugs or user error. As they are inconsistent, I'm guessing bugs.

I have jumped in to Capricorni DRV B21 in my Sidewinder and my next destination, Gonali, is on the other side of a star. It's a big star.
I have to go around the star.

  1. Frame Shift Drive (FSD) Overheats
    1. I can't just motor around it, I want to use Supercruise to travel out from the star to clear my destination vector. I press 'J'. The supercruise charging overheats the ship and 'boom'
    2. I deselect my destination and select something in front of me. No difference. Overheat. Boom.
  2. Apply Throttle
    1. I try to supercruise away and as it charges, the message 'Apply Throttle' comes up. My throttle axis is all the way forward (MS Sidewinder joystick). The throttle is now unresponsive and the speed is at 30,000KM
    2. Overheat and Boom
  3. No Jump
    1. I choose another target to aim for to get me to jump around this star. 400L instead of 6LY.
    2. I press J but only get supercruise, not hyperspace. No Mass Lock, no hardpoints or landing gear out.
I have tried changing key bindings on the fly, as well as exiting the game and restarting, but sometimes that puts me 2 jumps back, which is pants, and then I get one of these occasional problems. Other times all goes well.

What am I missing?
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Do you have a supercruise assist module fitted? That can help stop you from hitting or getting close to stars.

O7
 

oblivionmanman 2476

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another thought have you come to a dead stop.if so hit the jump key and shoulld give you escape vector its a long time since i had that problem if it does head for it,you will get it np annoying i know.
 

Coolgroove

Coolgroove
Cmdr Bob Xander said:
Frame Shift Drive (FSD) Overheats
  1. I can't just motor around it, I want to use Supercruise to travel out from the star to clear my destination vector. I press 'J'. The supercruise charging overheats the ship and 'boom'
  2. I deselect my destination and select something in front of me. No difference. Overheat. Boom.
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  • The closer to the star you are = the more heat your ship gets. Get away from the star to cool off.
  • Every time you use modules - they are producing heat. In combination with the heat from the star = your ship overheats. If you get away from the star to lower its impact on your ship' heat levels - it'll help not to overheat when you're using modules such as FSD.
  • Different types of stars heat up your ship faster/slower, also the bigger the star the longer you'll fly around it = more time to heat up.
  • To quickly move near stars, or across the solar system - always in Supercruise/

Also can help, when you're dropping out of Hyperjump, set your throttle to 0 (physically on your controller, min speed in SC is 30). Do not drop out of Supercruise, just throttle to 0. It'll severely lower the speed of your approach towards the star, and you'll have more time to turn. When you've turned towards the direction you want - increase throttle to speed up.

Try the following:
  • Throttle down completely the moment you've dropped out of Hyperjump
  • Turn your ship away from the star and only then speed up
  • Look at your heat levels - when they start to go down - you're good.
  • Start turning your ship towards your destination system (next target for a Hyperjump)
  • DON'T fly directly to the star if it is still in the way, try to fly around it at the same distance you are at that moment
  • Fly past the star and then charge FSD for a jump

It ^ should be the safest approach to start with. After a few tries you'll get a hang of it and it's going to become easier to do it even at close distances to the star.

Also:
  • As soon as you can, upgrade your Power Plant to a higher grade (A is the best)
  • As soon as you can, upgrade your FSD to a higher grade (same, A)
It'll help with how efficient your ship is with heat management, and you won't overheat as easily, plus you'll get a longer jump range.

Edit:
Every star has an exclusion zone (market as a circle line around the star). If you cross that line - your ship will be taken out of Supercruise into a normal flight, and it'll be gaining heat very rapidly. If that happened, do the following as fast as you can:
  • Full stop
  • Start turning away from the star
  • When you did a 3rd (or half) of a turn, set throttle to max
  • Finish the turn so your ship points completely away from the star, and charge your FSD for Supercruise (not Hyperjump)
  • When your FSD starts to charge, you'll see a target indicator at which you need to point your ship
  • When in Supercruise, don't change the dirrection of your movement until heat levels go down, then go from the same step in the list above.

To be able to do it comfortably and fast, you'll need to change you keybinds to - separate keybind for a Hyperjump, and another one for Supercruise, like Robert Maynard suggested.

Cmdr Bob Xander said:
No Jump
  1. I choose another target to aim for to get me to jump around this star. 400L instead of 6LY.
  2. I press J but only get supercruise, not hyperspace. No Mass Lock, no hardpoints or landing gear out.
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You can Hyperjump only to another star (solar system). Inside the solar system - Supercruise to move between objects.
 
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Ashnak

Ashnak
Cmdr Bob Xander said:
No Jump
  1. I choose another target to aim for to get me to jump around this star. 400L instead of 6LY.
  2. I press J but only get supercruise, not hyperspace. No Mass Lock, no hardpoints or landing gear out.
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If you meant 400 ls in point 1. - that is a target in the same system as you are right now. In which case, "J" does exactly as it's supposed to do and triggers supercruise. As @Robert Maynard already suggested, remapping hyperjump and supercruise to use two different keybinds can be very helpful.
 

SlickPBW

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You can also lower your heat by turning off unnecessary modules, or more specifically, all modules that you don’t need to get away from the star. Then, after you clear the star, you can turn them back on. Some examples would be: shields, shield cell banks, cargo hatch, SRV bay, AFMU, refinery, chaff, ECM, weapons (but they don’t use power unless hard points are deployed), and if you know what you’re doing also sensors and, briefly, life support.
 

Cmdr Bob Xander

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Thanks for all the great responses, I really appreciate them. Very detailed.

I should clarify.

When I drop into these problems in a system, I am often able to stop but the next jump point is the other side of the star.

I can never get to it.

SC is limited to 30k/s and I always run out of fuel. I've just let it run for over an hour and it doesn't work.

I'm sure that the Overheat > Boom problem is a bug; it's not about modules overheating, the ship goes from 54% to 160% in about 10 seconds.

If the throttle is non-responsive then I deactivate the FSD, it drops out of SC and the throttle now works again. This also works on the Activate Throttle problem.

But I just can't fly around stars at 30K. I die every time.

How do I get around a star if Hyperjump doesn't work and SC won't go any faster?
 

oblivionmanman 2476

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sca is the problem i see turn it off,go in normal on jump in turn throttle to 50% on count down,yaw or pitch above or around the star,keep going till clear ,dont scoop fuel,if you need to scoop fuel you shouldt attempt it unless you have aheat sink fitted,you are in a sidewinder prob 7lyr range,change plan.you aint going to make it as far as i can figure from what youre saying. dont run before you can walk,for now forget sca sco you dont need them yet.
 

aRJay

aRJay
Cmdr Bob Xander said:
Thanks for all the great responses, I really appreciate them. Very detailed.

I should clarify.

When I drop into these problems in a system, I am often able to stop but the next jump point is the other side of the star.

I can never get to it.

SC is limited to 30k/s and I always run out of fuel. I've just let it run for over an hour and it doesn't work.

I'm sure that the Overheat > Boom problem is a bug; it's not about modules overheating, the ship goes from 54% to 160% in about 10 seconds.

If the throttle is non-responsive then I deactivate the FSD, it drops out of SC and the throttle now works again. This also works on the Activate Throttle problem.

But I just can't fly around stars at 30K. I die every time.

How do I get around a star if Hyperjump doesn't work and SC won't go any faster?
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Super Cruise (SC) shouldn’t be limited to 30 that is the minimum speed with the throttle off. With throttle open you can get many times the speed of light so just open the throttle after you have turned so the star isn’t ahead of you.
After a few seconds heading away from the star at speed then turn towards your next jump point.

As has been mentioned when you arrive there will be a ring around the star, when you have got used to it you can scrape quite close to the ring to speed round the star but at first give it lots of space, unless you have a fuel scoop fitted then you want to point close enough so scooping starts but still be aimed outside the ring.

Super Cruise Assist can set your throttle to minimum when you arrive in a system but I believe changing your throttle settings overrides that, if it doesn’t there is an option in the right hand screen on your HUD to disable that.
 

Dougie

Dougie
Cmdr Bob Xander said:
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How do I get around a star if Hyperjump doesn't work and SC won't go any faster?
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I think the issue with you not being able to travel faster than 30m/s in SC must be related to a SCA setting (I don't use that) or similar - you could try making a keybind to set throttle to 100% and see if that overcomes your unresponsive issue.

I was given some keybind tips when I started and they really were useful, you might find some of them useful too.

1. Unbind "jettison all cargo"

2. Unbind "firing deploys hardpoints"

3. Change "silent running" to a combination key press (I use R-Alt plus Insert)

4. Make a key bind for "engage supercruise" (as opposed to the conditional "J" for jump default - but keep that) that way when in normal space if your destination system is obscured you just engage supercruise and fly until your destination system is clear.

5. Make a keybind for 75% throttle (for the 6 second to destination rule).

Good luck
 

Cmdr Bob Xander

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I had to delete my profile to start again, the situation was totally Kobayashi Maru.

Thanks for all the help. I'm going to try to avoid the mistakes which led me there but all the great advice here is going straight in to the next sidewinder.

And a fuel scoop...

O7
 

Cmdr Bob Xander

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Nope, it's a bug in the game.

I turned off Super Cruise Assist and all was going well for all 7 jumps.

As I cruised into the last system, just 9Ls from home, I pressed 'esc' for the options to check a key binding, and when I returned from the game I'd gone from 140c to 30k/m.

I have tried enabling and disabling SCA and the FSD. I have tried using the Navigation screen to engage supercruise.

No avail. It's using up all the fuel without going anywhere. I can't see a cause which I can replicate, so it must be a bug.

The problem is I'm in solo and if I self destruct, I lose the contract. so what's the point?

edit

I died. I respawned, repurchased the Sidewinder, left for a new mission. Still at 30k/m
 
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Arrowroot 66

Arrowroot 66
One other thing to check if you've been doing keybinds: there is a forward and backwards thrusters, which works in normal space (0 - several hundred m/s) and there is forwards and backwards throttle, which works in normal space and supercruise (30km/s - 2001c). If you've set your joystick throttle to control your thrusters, not your throttle, that would explain why you can't go faster than 30km/s in supercruise.

Also, if you're going to be skimming past the star to scoop fuel or just to get round to the next jump destination, the exclusion zone will only show if you've got Orbit Lines turned on.
 

Cmdr Bob Xander

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Arrowroot 66 said:
One other thing to check if you've been doing keybinds: there is a forward and backwards thrusters, which works in normal space (0 - several hundred m/s) and there is forwards and backwards throttle, which works in normal space and supercruise (30km/s - 2001c). If you've set your joystick throttle to control your thrusters, not your throttle, that would explain why you can't go faster than 30km/s in supercruise.

Also, if you're going to be skimming past the star to scoop fuel or just to get round to the next jump destination, the exclusion zone will only show if you've got Orbit Lines turned on.
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That seems to have it...
 

varonica

varonica
Cmdr Bob Xander said:
As I cruised into the last system, just 9Ls from home, I pressed 'esc' for the options to check a key binding, and when I returned from the game I'd gone from 140c to 30k/m.
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Some actions will set your SC speed to the lowest setting, of course it could be a double keybind but I don't think you can set anything to the esc key, but yes going into the main menu can do that, it depends on how your throttle setting are organised. No it's not a bug. Practice, adjust your keybinds to what is best suited to you and your setup, come back and ask questions if you need anymore help.
 
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