Oculus Rift vs Track IR 5

Javert

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Javert
Does anyone have both Oculus Rift and Track IR?

I'm interested in opinions of the relative merits of each of them.

From my reading, I guess OR should in theory be more immersive, since your head movement is 1 for 1 what it would be in a real life setting and you are blocked from seeing the room around you.

With TrackIR, I understand your head movements are exaggerated by the device so that for example you only move your head 10 degress, but this is equivalent to looking all the way behind.

I'm interested to know whether this factor breaks the feeling of immersion, or does it just feel natural after a while?

I also guess that with TrackIR, you can still keep higher resolutions if you have several screens, and you can still see your keyboard etc, and therefore TrackIR might be better for things like FSX where you might need to see panels and controls outside of your VR view.

Any comments from anyone that has used both would be most welcome.

TIA
Patrick
 

Meritz

Meritz
I don't own an Oculus, so for that part someone else will have to say how it feels, but I do use IR headtracking - not TrackIR, I made my own, but essentially the same thing, full yaw, pitch, rotation and translation. And I can honestly say that after playing ED with IR headtracking, I wouldn't go back to fixed/manual view. It just feels so much more natural to actually look around your ship and the interface, to track targets etc.

It does take a little while to get used to it - as you mentioned, your head movements are exaggerated - but after the initial period it just goes down smoothly. I was worried the fact that I move my head, but keep my eyes focused relatively straight would feel weird, but it doesn't because the head motions are quite subtle, and the way ship interface is designed you end up looking to appropriate sides of your screen, so it's even less noticeable. Obviously, the bigger monitor you have, the better. ;)

So I can say IR or inertial (EDTracker) headtracking only adds to immersion. I imagine Oculus, being a full-on VR solution, does even more so.
 

Rambowjo

R
I played through premium beta with TrackIR5. My DK2 arrived when beta 1 was launched.

Using TrackIR feels incredibly natural. It does take a little time to get used to. For me it took less than an hour in Elite. It is very immersive, and it definitely makes the game more enjoyable. After getting my DK2, I have not looked back though. The 1:1, super precise tracking is just incredibly valuable. It's also super immersive, which owns. On top of that, the TrackIR has some technical issues. You don't have to move very far for it to lose tracking, and strong sun light can really mess with the IR camera. The DK2 has a much wider tracking field of view, and it does not get disturbed by other IR sources at all.
The cons of getting a DK2 is that it requires a beastly machine in order to run well, and also the high price point, especially if you are outside the US. I paid $500 for mine, living in Denmark. The TrackIR is a lot cheaper and does not come at any extra performance cost. And it's still a great experience, that I would always prefer over no tracking at all.
 

Aishor

Aishor
Not! The mess in the game is something the brain! the depth that is something your subconscious imagination

I remember as a child, games like x-wing, where a 14 "monitor vga 800x600 had great depth.

Now you, if you put Track-go depth increases, as you said its depth larger monitors will ask more for more quality, more graphics that add more resources.

with oculus has depth, it has the advantage of not requiring large resources monitor, but you will have to spend large resources to put more graphic as monitors and be bigger with more quality.

but oculus attention dk2 rift is not a commercial product, so its use is not 100% satisfying, so must value very much use DK2 or wait CV1 resources but if you experience DK2 is very high!

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Void

Void
While TrackIR is great and a huge upgrade over no tracking at all, there really is no comparison. Even if you have 3 monitors and TrackIR you are still just looking at monitors. With the Rift you are basically sitting in a spaceship, there is no other way to describe it. Everything has the the right depth, scale and dimensions, it feels completely natural.
 

CATPAIN KIRK

CATPAIN KIRK
Void said:
While TrackIR is great and a huge upgrade over no tracking at all, there really is no comparison. Even if you have 3 monitors and TrackIR you are still just looking at monitors. With the Rift you are basically sitting in a spaceship, there is no other way to describe it. Everything has the the right depth, scale and dimensions, it feels completely natural.
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Completely agree - I have 3 24" 120 hz 3d Monitors and trackir 5. Haven't used it since early August and can't even imagine playing ED on it again.

Freely adapted from Magritte I'd say "ceci n'est pas un vaisseau spatial" if I had to play on a screen again - it's just the image of a spaceship.
 

Ref Minor

Ref Minor
Void said:
While TrackIR is great and a huge upgrade over no tracking at all, there really is no comparison. Even if you have 3 monitors and TrackIR you are still just looking at monitors. With the Rift you are basically sitting in a spaceship, there is no other way to describe it. Everything has the the right depth, scale and dimensions, it feels completely natural.
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Exactly, when I sit in my Lakon 6 I am inside a 30ft cockpit with a panoramic view not staring at a tiny monitor. I would struggle to play E:D on any monitor now, even with the lack of resolution there is no alternative to "being there"
 

schurem

schurem
PatrickW said:
Does anyone have both Oculus Rift and Track IR?

I'm interested in opinions of the relative merits of each of them.


TIA
Patrick
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IMO oculus wipes the floor with tIR. Despite the fact that Oculus resolution is like something we had back in 1993 hen falcon 3.0 was all the rage, it is full VR. There's nothing like it. It's that good. You need to experience it to believe it. You boot up the game, strap on the set and you are no longer here..

TrackIR allows you to play in a regular monitor, so you get all the pixels. This is great, but you are still at your desk playing a game.
 

cherbert

cherbert
There really is no going back once you try the rift for the first time. Nothing else is ever going to satisfy your desires.

I was mining in the warmth of a sun's orange glow last night while mining in my Hauler. It was deeply relaxing and tranquil. I felt the carpet beneath my feet and imagined it being the soft carpet of my ship interior - this instantly gave me a sense of presence. I was there, out in deep space, on my own. It really is the closest thing to being there for real.

So despite the low resolution - nothing else will ever compare.
 

Hominin

Hominin
Hicks said:
track ir = head tracking

or = immersion

take your pick, id take OR any day, no comparison.
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depends on your setup me thinks. the only reason i haven't been tempted by OR is that i create a lot of the immersion by setting up my environment right before i play and having a VR headset would just blind me to that setup. it might take a bit of time to convert the home office into a spaceship each time but i get a cockpit better than the one in the game. i want to be looking at my hands on my HOTAS as it is more realistic than the retro one in the game etc. so trackIR with surround 27" monitors is just right for my kind of immersion. couldn't live without that though, the whole moving things to look around thing is deprecated.
 

Zulubear

Zulubear
Hominin said:
depends on your setup me thinks. the only reason i haven't been tempted by OR is that i create a lot of the immersion by setting up my environment right before i play and having a VR headset would just blind me to that setup. it might take a bit of time to convert the home office into a spaceship each time but i get a cockpit better than the one in the game. i want to be looking at my hands on my HOTAS as it is more realistic than the retro one in the game etc. so trackIR with surround 27" monitors is just right for my kind of immersion. couldn't live without that though, the whole moving things to look around thing is deprecated.
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...but have you actually tried ED with an Oculus DK2? t
 

BigDuke6ixx

BigDuke6ixx
Hominin said:
depends on your setup me thinks. the only reason i haven't been tempted by OR is that i create a lot of the immersion by setting up my environment right before i play and having a VR headset would just blind me to that setup. it might take a bit of time to convert the home office into a spaceship each time but i get a cockpit better than the one in the game. i want to be looking at my hands on my HOTAS as it is more realistic than the retro one in the game etc. so trackIR with surround 27" monitors is just right for my kind of immersion. couldn't live without that though, the whole moving things to look around thing is deprecated.
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Not being funny, but better than the in games cockpit?
 

Davevti

Davevti
If money is no object ger OR.

If money is no object in time, wait for the newer vision of OR.

if money is an object get TIR,

As others have said, unless you have a beastly rig, you will struggle to enjoy the OR without spending hard cash, not only will you need a top end GPU (or 2) if you can't support them you will need a new power supply/motherboard even a CPU. Its a big investment on top of the VR unit itself.
 

Hominin

Hominin
Davevti said:
If money is no object ger OR.

If money is no object in time, wait for the newer vision of OR.

if money is an object get TIR
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or if you are eccentric enough, maybe you would rather spend your money on an EEG to see if you can mind control your spaceship as you would expect to do in the year 3300 ;) it will take some work but it is worth a shot :D
 

vanfanel

V
2 options:
1. If you want to add some immersiveness to the game get trackIR
2. If you want to fly a space ship get the rift
 

Zulubear

Zulubear
Hominin said:
if i haven't been tempted, i haven't tried it ;)

:D not that hard, the in game cockpit has a saitek x52 in it lol.
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Well, to be honest, if you have not tried ED in a DK2 you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You may think your setup emulates or comes close, but for someone with a three monitor trackIR setup, I could never use it over the Oculus. There is just no comparison.
 
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