Odyssey Ammonia worlds
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Maybe the terraforming removes the Ammonia before starting the process including the liquid Ammonia seas.
Then it starts to produce a breathable atmosphere.
Just a thought really.
we have all watched the various videos and announcements, ads etc. available if we have an interest in this game.
It would be mad not to.
Pug
Tenuous ammonia-heavy atmospheres will probably be as walkable as anywhere else.
It's like them saying they have a plan to terraform gas giants in terms of plausibility.
Now, sure, as a way of denying Thargoids living space, a planetary scale weapon that destroys their atmosphere is certainly one option. Unfortunately ... that works both ways, and it seems a highly unwise form of escalation.
Which was obviously going to happen from the start. The major obstacle to terraforming an AW - as opposed to a HMC with an ammonia atmosphere - is that any planet with a stable liquid-ammonia atmosphere and "hydro"-sphere is going to be far too far from its star. You can technologically rip out the ammonia to kill off all the existing life, sure, but you're not going to be able to stick a human-breathable atmosphere in place without it being far too cold for humans to live outside of environmental controlled spaces.
It's like them saying they have a plan to terraform gas giants in terms of plausibility.
Now, sure, as a way of denying Thargoids living space, a planetary scale weapon that destroys their atmosphere is certainly one option. Unfortunately ... that works both ways, and it seems a highly unwise form of escalation.
I still don't get it why the human civilization in ED would shoulder the costs of terraforming any planet if you think about the abundance of earthlike/water worlds in the galaxy. But I guess it's a sci-fi trope.
Missed that one, . Oh well.Just read Galnet,there was an article yesterday sayin' about "the Sirius failure" to terraform Ammonia worlds
Pug
Good luck
This was not the point of discussion
Apart that terraforming is not plausible at all by all means (it's a game not reality) Gas Giants are one thing,solid worlds with atmosphere (whatever it is) another.
Its a great point though as Ammonia has a far lower freezing temperature than water so it would make sense that it would be almost unbearable to humans and be further from the star, but that is not a prerequisite..
What's the name of that planet where Skywalker get shoved into the carcass of a big coo (Cow) to keep warm? Adapt and overcome
This was the point (it's a game not reality) how the hell should I know how terraforming would work lol, I was speculating.
Pug
Two reasons, I think:
1) Until very recently (about 15 years ago), long-distance travel was impractical and even crossing the bubble would take most ships months. There are a huge amount more terraformed ELWs than natural ELWs within the bubble, and that's probably why.
2) You might want to start afresh on a lifeless planet rather than risk damaging existing ecosystems. Unlikely to be a concern for most
Obviously it's fictional, but Frontier's fictional terraforming tech has fairly well-defined limitations if you look at which planets are marked as "candidates" - it can basically replace the atmosphere with a breathable one, provided that doing so would leave the temperature in livable ranges as well.
And there's therefore no such thing as a terraformable Ammonia World - though there are plenty of terraformable HMCs with an ammonia-rich atmosphere.
Building a solid shell at the appropriate depth on a gas giant, or moving an AW's orbit into the habitable zone of a star? Equally implausible given the Elite Dangerous setting's definition of terraforming and available technology ... both used as terraforming techniques in other SF settings, of course.
This does indeed have very little to do with which tenuous-atmosphere worlds will be walkable in Odyssey - whether the extremely thin atmosphere is mostly ammonia, mostly oxygen or mostly helium won't make a difference as we won't be trying to breath it anyway.
Sure they are not in the goldilock zone,it's a known thing but here the point was "we'll be able to land/walk on fully atmosphered worlds?" and the answer is no,being there Ammonias or whatever else.Its a great point though as Ammonia has a far lower freezing temperature than water so it would make sense that it would be almost unbearable to humans and be further from the star, but that is not a prerequisite..
What's the name of that planet where Skywalker get shoved into the carcass of a big coo (Cow) to keep warm? Adapt and overcome
This was the point (it's a game not reality) how the hell should I know how terraforming would work lol, I was speculating.
Pug
Yse but HMCs with Ammonia traces in atmosphere are not Ammonia worlds,wich was the main argument of his question,and the fact that whatever "thin trace atmo" we will walk the same barren planets with just a better skybox up above (and better textures all over at least)
There’s also the inverse of this - an alien ecosystem comes with alien pathogens (of whatever kind) and things like parasites, etc.
Depends on realities levels of different kinds of tech, but as terraforming tech exists in ED, it’s potentially much easier to Terraform a world and have none of those complications than it would be to deal with a whole world’s worth of them.
Also, tying back into your first point, there’s also political, sociological, logistical, military, and various other things associated with populating distant ELWs rather than terraforming nearby worlds. Some of those will be reduced to some extent by fast long range transport, others much less so.
The 'thin atmosphere' category already in the game files actually runs up to some surprisingly high pressures, and includes ammonia worlds:
If that's the atmospheric category FDev are unlocking in EDO, then OP may not be off the beaten path
(It would be pretty unsurprising if FDev were lining up 'Thargs in the flesh' at planetary locations to be honest. We've got some reasons to think it anyway, and it's generally just a good fit with EDO's feature set).
Yeah, possibly, though in a month or so distance are numerous untouched ELWs and a month is a short time to colonize stuff. A small price compared to changing an entire equilibrium of an atmosphere, which would both be a massive project and a tedious one if space travel took weeks from system to system. Also there obviously is no land grab to outlier ELWs.
But it's a fictional world where it's not necessarily entirely consistent what is economically viable and what is not. And my favourite inconsistency is that ED human civilization doesn't actually seem to live in the same 3307 reality of "deliver these hot pizzas to starbase 100 ly away" where speed hopping to Colonia is shorter than a transatlantic flight.
This is actually more complex than the War of the Worlds trope would suggest. Alien pathogens would be incompatible with human physiology, heck, the vast majority of Earth bacteria (not to mention of viruses) are incompatible with us and we share the same origin of DNA/RNA with them, not to mention millions of years of cohabilitation and in their case, trillions of generations. The Expanse series dealt with this apparent plot device elegantly by
making the microbiological threats incompatible, but them just finding multiplying in the eyeballs comfortable
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That'd be cool, but they didn't show any footage or screenshots yet.
Wolf 1311 B 3 B in the trailer is currently 100% ammonia atmosphere, but it sure doesn't look like what an ammonia atmosphere is supposed to look. WIP I guess?
If it isn't Ammonia worlds or some other previously unlandable planets i.e. permit locked (but there isn't enough of those scattered around)
Then how are they going to fit it into the game or Lore (if you prefer) as semi-atmospheric planets don't just pop up.
There will have to be some reason for them appearing, or, does there have to be a reason.
I'm starting to think that the Ammonia world thing may just be to just annoy thargoids, but I hope I'm wrong.
Pug
Just looking at a post that a Cmdr put up where he has matched the named planets in the press releases to their current in game status.
Pretty interesting and it looks like they will just change status.
Pug
Then how are they going to fit it into the game or Lore (if you prefer) as semi-atmospheric planets don't just pop up.
There will have to be some reason for them appearing, or, does there have to be a reason.
I'm starting to think that the Ammonia world thing may just be to just annoy thargoids, but I hope I'm wrong.
Pug
Just looking at a post that a Cmdr put up where he has matched the named planets in the press releases to their current in game status.
Pretty interesting and it looks like they will just change status.
Pug
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