However fun it is, the ship as about as useful as a chocolate fireguard for anything else.
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Ok this is seriously cruel.
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All this while carrying 500+ tons of cargo and tanking as much DPS as a wing of Meta-FdLs can muster (presuming an enitre wing even made it into your instance), without a scratch, while you wait for your cooldown to finish...
"chocolate fireguard"...?
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Check out by all means, but you know you can never leave!
Your ship is more manuverable in supercruise with lower throttle settings, so you should put it in the blue zone
With what ship? In small and medium ships it's hard to tell, but in a T-9 you can see the difference.
Blue zone in SC is known. Effects during Interdiction are unclear.
This discussion will be all the more amusing if the OP comes back with logs and reveals that it was an NPC that destroyed his CMDR's ship.
Oh, I like the gameplay implications of having to submit data in person, and don't particularly want a way to side step this constraint.
However, I don't think it makes much sense from an internal consistency perspective when every CMDR ship clearly has a very high bandwidth FTL comm system with galaxy spanning range (telepresence). If one can livestream a convincing VR experience, one can send any arbitrary encrypted data, and a whole lot of it. The setting was more interesting when FTL comms weren't part of it, but there is really no way to enforce a prohibition against instant communication, and Frontier has always had some form of it baked into the game.
This was always, and remains, a PvP game.
It's just a lot of other things too and one can opt-out of pretty much anything. Hell, we don't even need to put our CMDRs in their own ships anymore.
Enjoyment of PvP isn't limited to the attacker (when an attacker can even be clearly identified), or even the victor.
And we're all playing for fun.
I really don't like this suggestion.
It would do utterly nothing to make someone who is intolerant of the current system competitive with those who are, while diluting the simulationist aspects of the game and the impact of outfitting choices.
I make the distinction between direct and indirect PvP, otherwise no one else knows what I'm talking about.
The BGS, of which we are all essentially unavoidable participants, pits CMDRs against each other any time they do almost anything, but it's heavily abstracted and is not what most people are talking about when they say "PvP". So, I call that indirect PvP.
Some people have some uselessly overspecific definitions of what constitutes PvP (scheduled a week in advance, with affirmative consent forms signed in triplicate, where everyone uses identical ships, etc and so forth), but I generally think the basic definition that @ethelred lined out is the most practical one for the sake of these arguments.
Lack of consequence is the main reason for this.
When someone yanks my CMDR's ship out of SC to steal from or antagonize him, and my CMDR sends that CMDR to the rebuy screen, they can be back in action, even back in the fight, before the contest with their wingmates has been resolved. Indeed, my CMDR's been in fights where he's shot down the same CMDR two or three times, before having to flee, or getting popped himself.
If being shot down was on the order of one-hundred times more penalizing (in both asset cost and turnaround time) than it currently is, PvP would be much more meaningful. It would probably be a lot rarer, but I am entirely ok with that, as I'm a quality over quantity type.
One of the most rewarding aspects about the engagement in the above video, likely for all involved, was that I lost ranked-up NPC crew, well before it was possible to recover them at the rebuy screen. That's consequence...a small one, but something that added meaning. Incentivized me to learn from the mistakes I made and gave my opponents the satisfaction, that they rightly earned, of inflicting a lasting wound.
Oh, I like the gameplay implications of having to submit data in person, and don't particularly want a way to side step this constraint.
However, I don't think it makes much sense from an internal consistency perspective when every CMDR ship clearly has a very high bandwidth FTL comm system with galaxy spanning range (telepresence). If one can livestream a convincing VR experience, one can send any arbitrary encrypted data, and a whole lot of it. The setting was more interesting when FTL comms weren't part of it, but there is really no way to enforce a prohibition against instant communication, and Frontier has always had some form of it baked into the game.
This was always, and remains, a PvP game.
It's just a lot of other things too and one can opt-out of pretty much anything. Hell, we don't even need to put our CMDRs in their own ships anymore.
Enjoyment of PvP isn't limited to the attacker (when an attacker can even be clearly identified), or even the victor.
And we're all playing for fun.
I really don't like this suggestion.
It would do utterly nothing to make someone who is intolerant of the current system competitive with those who are, while diluting the simulationist aspects of the game and the impact of outfitting choices.
I make the distinction between direct and indirect PvP, otherwise no one else knows what I'm talking about.
The BGS, of which we are all essentially unavoidable participants, pits CMDRs against each other any time they do almost anything, but it's heavily abstracted and is not what most people are talking about when they say "PvP". So, I call that indirect PvP.
Some people have some uselessly overspecific definitions of what constitutes PvP (scheduled a week in advance, with affirmative consent forms signed in triplicate, where everyone uses identical ships, etc and so forth), but I generally think the basic definition that @ethelred lined out is the most practical one for the sake of these arguments.
Lack of consequence is the main reason for this.
When someone yanks my CMDR's ship out of SC to steal from or antagonize him, and my CMDR sends that CMDR to the rebuy screen, they can be back in action, even back in the fight, before the contest with their wingmates has been resolved. Indeed, my CMDR's been in fights where he's shot down the same CMDR two or three times, before having to flee, or getting popped himself.
If being shot down was on the order of one-hundred times more penalizing (in both asset cost and turnaround time) than it currently is, PvP would be much more meaningful. It would probably be a lot rarer, but I am entirely ok with that, as I'm a quality over quantity type.
One of the most rewarding aspects about the engagement in the above video, likely for all involved, was that I lost ranked-up NPC crew, well before it was possible to recover them at the rebuy screen. That's consequence...a small one, but something that added meaning. Incentivized me to learn from the mistakes I made and gave my opponents the satisfaction, that they rightly earned, of inflicting a lasting wound.
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I've been interdicted with the T-9, trust me, the blue zone is important. It's much easier to beat an interdiction with the throttle in the blue zone than at full throttle.
Been thinking that as well..
This was never, nor ever will be, a PvP game.
But a MMO game.
A big wave to you from Mobius/Solo
This was never, nor ever will be, a PvP game.
But a MMO game.
A big wave to you from Mobius/Solo
None of the things the game is are exclusive of any of the others. The game is all of the things it is, even if it's not all of them to all people. It's definitely a PvP game for me, even if it's not for you.
Funny story, there...
I have a Viper 3, specifically for this job.
Spent an evening at a CG, interdicting Wanted CMDRs to help other players deliver to the CG.
Several days later, I get an email from FDev, telling me I've been reported for "harassing" another player.
I responded, explaining that I was at a CG and I was simply protecting cargo ships and, although I didn't pay particular attention to who I interdicted, it was possible that I interdicted the same player several times.
I got a reply saying it wasn't a problem but I should try to interdict different people so that nobody feels victimised.
I find it ironic that, no matter what you do in ED, there'll always be some people who attempt to justify ganking.
They want to be friends with the 'goids so they're attacking AX players... although not AX NPCs, of course.
They don't want the galaxy colonised so they're attacking cargo ships hauling building supplies.
They're pledged to a PP faction and attacking other players is a "military action".
They're opposed to [insert CG goal here] so they're attacking players doing CG stuff.
Etc.
The ironic part is that, when the tables are turned, they're apparently quite happy to report somebody who's spoiling their fun.
Mommy! 
Awww, gankers are so precious.
Hmm, what DPS are you assuming for the attacker here? 6 minutes sounds surprisingly long (or implies lower sustained DPS than I'd expect).
And don't forget that shield recharging is slow - with a quick test build I just put together, a class 8 Prismatic - even with the fast-charge exptl - takes 55 minutes to recharge a 10.7 GJ shield (from 50-100%) with 4 pips to SYS, thus less than 1% per minute. That's so slow as to be pretty much irrelevant to any fight.
Better perhaps to just compare the regen rate - 1.6 absolute units per second - to the DPS of whatever ship you like, and I imagine you'll agree that the regen rate is meaninglessly small, no?
For some value of "can". It's technically possible, but please be real: no new players enjoying their gameplay will own a cutter equipped with prismatics in their first week.
I actually envy you, wish I could go back many years for these adventures. Right on, Commander.
"I got a reply saying it wasn't a problem but I should try to interdict different people so that nobody feels victimised."
So If I get dragged out of SC 7 times in a row in the space of about 5 mins, I can claim victimisation? Nice.
If I get sent to the rebuy screen by the same CMDR when I am in Shin Dez or just leaving several times within a very short space of time, I can claim victimisation? Nice.
Somehow, I think my thoughts on this are just pure fantasy. Or signs of my mind going. At my age, that's a possibility.
So If I get dragged out of SC 7 times in a row in the space of about 5 mins, I can claim victimisation? Nice.
If I get sent to the rebuy screen by the same CMDR when I am in Shin Dez or just leaving several times within a very short space of time, I can claim victimisation? Nice.
Somehow, I think my thoughts on this are just pure fantasy. Or signs of my mind going. At my age, that's a possibility.
To be fair, you can explore majority of in game mechanics in solo. And all of them in private.
There's no benefit in debating the value of the 3rd decimal, when the integers are orders of magnitude apart...
... but lets work the numbers:
The total damage output of a x5 PA (Eff/xx) FdL is 42,163 (Damage per Shot * Ammo).
With enough ammo for 6.66 minutes of continuous firing... if uninterrupted and sufficient Cap to fire as often as possible.
A Cutter with Reinf/Hi Cap Prismo & 6HD +1Res +1Therm Skill Boosts =
24,442Mj, with 50% Kinetic resist and 30% Thermal Resist
20% of the FdL's damage is kinetic 8432.6. Inc Cutter's resists (50% Kinetic) = 4,216.3
20% of damage is thermal, 8432.6. Inc resists (30% Thermal ) = 5,623.7
60% of the damage is 'absolute'... ignoring resistances... = 25,297.8
For a total potential damage to this cutter's shields of 35,137.8 @ 351.37 damage per Volley.
With an uninterrupted DPS spree, you've got enough ammo for 6.66 minutes
= 5,276 Damage per minute.
At that rate... uninterrupted, continuous firing, hitting every shot of every volley, for maximum damage from within the falloff range.. it takes this FdL 4 mintues 38 seconds to take the shields off this Cutter.
The Reinf/HiCap c8 Prismo + those x8 Skill Boosts regens @ 1% every 1:15
For an extra 830Mj, or 9 seconds to peel.... 2 more volleys, give or take.
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A slightly different/much simpler way to do this...
24442/351.37 = 70 Volleys.
A full volley can be fired every 4 seconds.
Giving 4.6 Minutes to peel the shields.
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... Noob Cutter incoming
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To add a bit to that, use the EDMC plugin EDR (Recon) It'll warn you in-game about wanted players. From there you can proceed to add them to the blocklist and relog before you even encounter them.