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Which Medium to Large south American monkey is more common? Genuine Question
They are from what ive seen by far the most common on zootierliste and also seem very common in AZA zoos
Well using aza zoos as a reference , the most common (above 70 holders) would be golden lion tamarin, cotton top tamarin, common squirrel monkey, ring tailed lemur (the single most common primate at 166 holders), red ruffed lemur and black and white ruffed lemur
But yes the white faced saki seems to be the most common medium sized south American primate at just under 50 holders
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Spider monkey.
We have to take in consideration all members of group in this case, because not every zoo keep same species, but most of them keep only one. Overall geoffroys is the most common outside south america, but europe also decided to keep brown and columbian. Situation like both tree kangaroos. To measure how common group is you have to add both species for reason mentioned above.
So there are around 219 zoos outside native range having atleast one.
Found in japan, australasia, north america, europe and most likely in china thank to captivity presence in japan.
And then we have teens of zoos in south america having them. Spider monkeys are obligatory zoo species in latin america. Not only endangered, but very common in pet trade. Zoos are constantly getting some. (just like racoons in europe)
Overall order: capuchin > spider monkey > saki > howler > wolly monkey > muriqui (found only in big brazilian zoos)
We have to take in consideration all members of group in this case, because not every zoo keep same species, but most of them keep only one. Overall geoffroys is the most common outside south america, but europe also decided to keep brown and columbian. Situation like both tree kangaroos. To measure how common group is you have to add both species for reason mentioned above.
So there are around 219 zoos outside native range having atleast one.
Found in japan, australasia, north america, europe and most likely in china thank to captivity presence in japan.
And then we have teens of zoos in south america having them. Spider monkeys are obligatory zoo species in latin america. Not only endangered, but very common in pet trade. Zoos are constantly getting some. (just like racoons in europe)
Overall order: capuchin > spider monkey > saki > howler > wolly monkey > muriqui (found only in big brazilian zoos)
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For some more Numbers, with 118 Holdings they are the 268 most common EAZA animal, tied with both the fennek fox and western chimpanzee.
Above it are 3 Tamarins (Goldenhanded, Cottentop and Emperor), 2 Marmosets (Common and Dwarf), the Tufted Capuchin and the Squirrel Monkey.
It literally is the most common Southamerican Monkey larger then Squirrel and Capuchin as far we have concrete numbers and without being any grouping but a standalone species
Above it are 3 Tamarins (Goldenhanded, Cottentop and Emperor), 2 Marmosets (Common and Dwarf), the Tufted Capuchin and the Squirrel Monkey.
It literally is the most common Southamerican Monkey larger then Squirrel and Capuchin as far we have concrete numbers and without being any grouping but a standalone species
In Europe.
Doran argument is that the most common SA primate WORLDWIDE, after small monkeys, is the spider monkey (in general, regardless of the species).
There definitely seems to be a European bias when comparing animal numbers, please remember European collections do not represent the world
Simple Reason, Europe is the only place to get easy numbers from.
Also regarding the fact that the EAZA covers roughly half of all zoos in the world, its fair to say that if something is common in europe thats enough of an argument to say its common in general
Also regarding the fact that the EAZA covers roughly half of all zoos in the world, its fair to say that if something is common in europe thats enough of an argument to say its common in general
I am all for the white-faced saki. Probably among the easier SA monkeys to do animation-wise, while still looking different from anything else we got. The genders look quite different from each other which often is a nice touch in the game. And their usability is quite flexible.
tsk tsk, al these primates but no lorisoids? I don't knowis the game can handle small climbers as habitat animals but greater bushbaby, slow loris, and/or potto would be nice.
I'd love to have a white-faced saki in the game. As well as tons of other monkeys like baboons, guenons, tamarins and of course the lovely Javan langur (because I cannot mention it enough).
But honestly, I can't understand my we got so few primates in the DLCs. It's really a pity.
Just got an idea though: What if Frontier plans a primate pack? They did so many unexpected things this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if they'd surprise us again.
But honestly, I can't understand my we got so few primates in the DLCs. It's really a pity.
Just got an idea though: What if Frontier plans a primate pack? They did so many unexpected things this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if they'd surprise us again.
Me to aswell, frontier will want to maximise sales on a dlc so diversity in packs is the most sensible option
I realize I'm not the biggest proponent of too many additional primates, but I do agree there are some that are needed and some that would be nice to include. And it's great there's a wealth to choose from. People think Primates and they just think Apes and Monkeys, but there's much more to it. even if those tend to take center stage in discussions.
Looking at the DLC, we have only gotten two monkeys, one of which is rarely held in zoos, and one ape. I'm okay with no more apes being added, but feel they will add another gibbon just to get an extra animal out of that rig.
Monkeys though are an entirely different story. I could personally give or take a baboon, but I realize it's fairly popularly requested; firmly in the second tier of requests if you consider the top tier being the top 10.
I think getting some new world monkeys is the biggest priority here; the howler monkey and the spider-monkey groups would be my suggestions, but also the tamarin and marmosets would be interesting additions. Though I do worry about their size being non-exhibit possible. I think the Golden Lion Tamarin and the Emperor Tamarin would be my favorites to add from that group, and I'm less picky on the marmosets. At minimum, and I stress minimum, 2 additional New World primates. But they could do an entire animal pack on that and still all have strong choices.
For Old World monkeys I already mentioned a baboon, probably the Hamadryas or Olive Baboon would be the most popular choices. In additional to that getting at least one additional Old World Monkey would be great, preferably one from Asia. I"m not really picky on which one but I think the Lion Tailed Macaque, the Golden Snub Nosed Monkey or one of the Langurs would be interesting additions.
Moving away to different types of primates, the Tarsier is another possibility, as is a loris, but I'm not going to be disappointed if they did not make it in.
Lemurs, I'm actually moslty okay with what we've got. . I can understand wanting the Sifaka, but with three lemurs already in game I personally feel like we've got that area of the animal kingdom represented. The Aye-Aye would be the exception to that, since it's a bit more visually distinct.
Looking at the DLC, we have only gotten two monkeys, one of which is rarely held in zoos, and one ape. I'm okay with no more apes being added, but feel they will add another gibbon just to get an extra animal out of that rig.
Monkeys though are an entirely different story. I could personally give or take a baboon, but I realize it's fairly popularly requested; firmly in the second tier of requests if you consider the top tier being the top 10.
I think getting some new world monkeys is the biggest priority here; the howler monkey and the spider-monkey groups would be my suggestions, but also the tamarin and marmosets would be interesting additions. Though I do worry about their size being non-exhibit possible. I think the Golden Lion Tamarin and the Emperor Tamarin would be my favorites to add from that group, and I'm less picky on the marmosets. At minimum, and I stress minimum, 2 additional New World primates. But they could do an entire animal pack on that and still all have strong choices.
For Old World monkeys I already mentioned a baboon, probably the Hamadryas or Olive Baboon would be the most popular choices. In additional to that getting at least one additional Old World Monkey would be great, preferably one from Asia. I"m not really picky on which one but I think the Lion Tailed Macaque, the Golden Snub Nosed Monkey or one of the Langurs would be interesting additions.
Moving away to different types of primates, the Tarsier is another possibility, as is a loris, but I'm not going to be disappointed if they did not make it in.
Lemurs, I'm actually moslty okay with what we've got. . I can understand wanting the Sifaka, but with three lemurs already in game I personally feel like we've got that area of the animal kingdom represented. The Aye-Aye would be the exception to that, since it's a bit more visually distinct.
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Me too!
Hard disagree, that's just an extremely Eurocentric viewpoint. Doran already laid out the evidence as to why that doesn't actually work in practice; spider monkeys are more common than any other on a global scale, dominated by the Geoffroy's species.
You also have to take into consideration general appeal. Despite how common they may seem, white-faced saki are not a monkey that springs to mind for the average zoogoer. The monkeys that do tend to be, as stated, spider monkeys for their famous locomotion, capuchins (which are incredibly ubiquitous and generally "the monkey"), squirrel monkeys, and tamarins.
I have nothing against white-faced saki, but obviously for me they're bottom priority behind the rest because they simply don't appear in zoos I'm most familiar with. I did see them in Edinburgh and thought they were neat, but that's the only place I can actually remember seeing them and I've been to a decent number of zoos. I also remember the capuchins and squirrel monkeys at Edinburgh, so...
For me, speaking personally, my monkey-only priority list (leaving out other primates) goes thusly:
- Hamadryas baboon (most commonly-kept baboon in captivity IIRC, and an actual true baboon).
- Geoffroy's spider monkey (for obvious reasons, this one is everywhere).
- Cotton-top tamarin.
- Golden lion tamarin.
- Bolivian squirrel monkey (or another species, most of them look fairly similar).
- Emperor tamarin.
- Diana or Rolloway monkey (pretty similar, but very attractive, and an African monkey).
- Lion-tailed macaque (half-decent captive presence and India is pretty underutilised).
- White-faced saki.
- Grey-handed night monkey.
- Barbary macaque.
- Red-shanked douc.
- OTHER (De Brazza's, Celebes macaque, rhesus macaque, mantled guereza, etc.).
I'm here for it.