Open is glitched? Not a single CMDR in Tenche

[Sandmann]

The solution for this is not a hack called solo and open, but proper systems security in core space.

In EVERY poll on the whole topic 2/3 of players have expressed a desire to keep it as it is. You may not like it and that's your choice but the majority of people do, FDev does, and Braben does. This isn't a "hack", it's a choice.

If traders want to trade in dangerous sectors, then yes, these mechanics need to be in-game! Traders should be able to hire protection and escorts. Doesn't matter what Braben said once in a video, it's logic. If you want to trade off the coast of Somalia, you better get some rifles.

As I said, the who galaxy is dangerous. The inside of stations is dangerous! PvPers have demanded the right to make it so. The only "not as dangerous" place is solo, and you don't want them playing there.

This isn't somalia, it's a game. Lots of people play it. Lots of people who have different skills and interests. They're allowed to be different to you - your playstyle is not "right", it's just yours.

And dead game as a result. In life you want to avoid conflict, in games you force conflict. Safe trading without risk is playing chess against yourself.

Your opinion is it's dead. All the people in solo think it's fine. If you don't like it, noone's making you play it. Just because you're an uber-killing machine and need other uber-killing machines to feel entertained, doesn't mean the rest of us are or do.

Feared pirates add the need for protection (players playing police and bodyguards), crime adds the need for law enforcement (bounty hunters), all this protection needs to be paid by the traders. The pirates in turn feed by the traders. Classical sheep/shepard/wolf dynamic. Take any of these factors out, and the sheep are free to reign and the game becomes an utter bore.

You forgot that there's no protection for traders right now other than solo. PvPers are everywhere - even inside stations. But you don't want them to play in solo.

I am not a pirate myself, but it's obvious how a completely peaceful universe would kill the game. EVERY SPACE GAME HAS PIRATES OR HOSTILE ALIENS. Why is it such a deal for some that in this ONLINE GAME some of these hostile forces are human players? I don't even consider this "PVP", it's more like PVE with human antagonists - because unlike MMOs with dedicated dungeons etc. the whole environment in a space trade game MUST be dangerous because the loot gaining (credits) happens throughout the open universe also. With no genuine danger in the environment there would be no need for better ships and better lasers (and no need to bound in wings either). Seriously, why do you need to upgrade when you have no obstacle to overcome?

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that some of us DO find the NPC's to be challenging? Why can you not understand that for some of us the challenge is simply docking in a station without blowing up? Why can't you grasp that some of us ENJOY the space trucking experience? It's not JUST about the gankfest, and there MUST be room for all play styles.

I understand that some people don't want combat at all, but for this the solution is working and efficient policing in core sectors and not the mode-kludge.

OK, but it's not there is it? And even when they've got those systems in place there will STILL be those who want to play solo.. simply because THEY WANT TO PLAY SOLO and don't like playing with others. Stop demanding everyone play YOUR game YOUR way.

Want it safe? Space truck in safe sectors with safe profits.

And which sectors would they be, right now, today?

Want it dangerous and high profits? Move to the frontier.

So Lave is a frontier area now? Luxury Trader spawn points full of goon swarms are frontier areas? You're expecting the least offensive players to play victim, before or without doing anything about the most offensive ones first. (I use the term "offensive" in the meaning of "those commiting offenses", NOT the meaning of "distasteful").

If Ed had working police and working pirates this whole topic wouldn't exist in the first place.

Well it doesn't, does it? Which makes your tirade rather pointless.

 

[Stewart_]

What has 'internet etc' got to do with anything?

Solo mode is much better with low bandwidth than attempting to play Open. I.e., your stuck in a hotel or tethering from a cell phone. Solo requires much less data transfer.

 

[Ideas Man]

I would agree that we need a Solo ship and an Open ship, play on either by all means but taking money from Solo into Open is just cheap and nasty and I say this as someone who sometimes trades in Solo so I can watch films while doing it.

The fact that I have to WATCH FILMS while playing a game to prevent boredom is another topic ha ha

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Solo mode is much better with low bandwidth than attempting to play Open. I.e., your stuck in a hotel.

Fair point, thanks

 

[Sandmann]

Solo mode is much better with low bandwidth than attempting to play Open. I.e., your stuck in a hotel or tethering from a cell phone. Solo requires much less data transfer.

Not to mention that a lot of the world doesn't have world class broadband. I travel fairly frequently in south east asia and the internet there ranges from acceptable to woeful, yet we have a number of players here from places like china and the philippines.

 

[Stewart_]

The fact that I have to WATCH FILMS while playing a game to prevent boredom is another topic ha ha

:-D


If switching was stopped:
If I started in Solo then after a months play, decided to go into Open, I wouldn't want to start from scratch with 1000 credits plus sidewinder. I expect this would apply to many others too. You may find that stopping switching from one mode to another results in less people in Open.

Not to mention that a lot of the world doesn't have world class broadband. I travel fairly frequently in south east asia and the internet there ranges from acceptable to woeful, yet we have a number of players here from places like china and the philippines.

I remember staying in a hotel in London... it advertised internet access. Couldn't Skype with video at all.. in fact, could barely load a web page. LOL.

But joking aside... here in Canada, cities are good for internet access ( ignoring that Bell, Rogers and a few others have a big monopoly and they tend to suck a lot ) move to the boonies, and your going to struggle.

 

[eeps]

Tenche is quite populated in the Mobious group ... just sayin'.

There were 2 commanders parked in Lunney Station, and 3-4 flyinh around the system and at the Nav Point

 

[Ideas Man]

:-D


If switching was stopped:
If I started in Solo then after a months play, decided to go into Open, I wouldn't want to start from scratch with 1000 credits plus sidewinder. I expect this would apply to many others too. You may find that stopping switching from one mode to another results in less people in Open.




I remember staying in a hotel in London... it advertised internet access. Couldn't Skype with video at all.. in fact, could barely load a web page. LOL.

But joking aside... here in Canada, cities are good for internet access ( ignoring that Bell, Rogers and a few others have a big monopoly and they tend to suck a lot ) move to the boonies, and your going to struggle.

Yeah that would suck but I have no solution to that

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In EVERY poll on the whole topic 2/3 of players... etc etc etc

Look man, we get it, you have your paradise in Solo and that's cool, I go there too sometimes, I profit from it, but if Frontier were to say 'OK you can no longer take assets from Solo to Open' I would think 'Ah well, it was good while it lasted' because as it stands it almost feels like cheating to me.

 

[Sandmann]

Some people seem to think that open is a "hardcore mode".. the PvPers certainly do. Really open is an general area... an "anything can happen here and you can meet anyone" mode. If you want a specialised mode - be it hardcore or pve or even unicorns and rainbows - that is what groups are for. No-one can go demanding that this or that group can't play in the "general area". No-one (other than FDev I guess) has the right to start forcing their own personal rule set or moral code on people there. If open is pushing some people to leave, is the problem the people who are leaving, or the ones pushing? Or is it the lack of control and separation mechanics (as boringnick above was alluding to)?

 

[Crazyeyes24]

So Lave is a frontier area now? Luxury Trader spawn points full of goon swarms are frontier areas? You're expecting the least offensive players to play victim, before or without doing anything about the most offensive ones first. (I use the term "offensive" in the meaning of "those commiting offenses", NOT the meaning of "distasteful").

On behalf of the Goon Squadron, paramilitary arm of the Revolutionary Jotunheim Resistance under Prince Harold "Big Harry" Duval, I would like to remind you to please remember the differences between the infamous "Goon Swarm" and our beloved Goon Squadron. Those folks operate in an entirely different galaxy and we would prefer if everyone could dial back the misrepresentation of our group. If you have any questions pertaining to our group here, please send me a PM and I would happily answer them. Else, please hold off on the group shaming.

I can assure you that Goon Squadron is currently focused on our own influence experiments within our home system of Jotunheim. We are not running around, interdicting people, yelling "say uncle" and griefing.

As to the subject of the thread, the discussion between solo and open is a very difficult, multifaceted conversation to have. One can respect the views of both sides, and many players fall on a spectrum of how "hardcore" they wish their experience to be. Personally, I would like to see open players able to download the "background sim" information to their local client if they so desire, but would rather the players in solo be unable to affect the grander "Open" universe. This simply makes more sense and keeps the open world in fair play.

Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion, not representative of Goon Squadron or it's individual members.

Thank you and fly safe commanders!

 

[Ideas Man]

Some people seem to think that open is a "hardcore mode".. the PvPers certainly do. Really open is an general area... an "anything can happen here and you can meet anyone" mode. If you want a specialised mode - be it hardcore or pve or even unicorns and rainbows - that is what groups are for. No-one can go demanding that this or that group can't play in the "general area". No-one (other than FDev I guess) has the right to start forcing their own personal rule set or moral code on people there. If open is pushing some people to leave, is the problem the people who are leaving, or the ones pushing? Or is it the lack of control and separation mechanics (as boringnick above was alluding to)?

I don't really know what any of that means but I think that Solo and Open should have separate ships or accounts if that helps and we shouldn't be able to jump between the two, and I say this as a guy who does jump between them both now.

It's borderline scamming and shameful, and if FD do change that rule then I will have a secret chuckle about it, not going to lie.

 

[hexenritter]

So essentially any griefer in any game ever is immediately, automatically and erroneously declared to be a Goon regardless of the actual facts, and despite the attempts of most of us to distance ourselves from Goonswarm as we ARE NOT affiliated with them in any capacity other than the fact that we happen to be community members from the same ~190,000 member strong forums as they are.

Yes, that's right, by that same logic, every person in Little Rock, Arkansas is also a , murderer and child molestor because there happen to have been a few in that city, and because the population of both the SA Forums and Little Rock are roughly the same.

 

[Ideas Man]

As to the subject of the thread, the discussion between solo and open is a very difficult, multifaceted conversation to have. One can respect the views of both sides, and many players fall on a spectrum of how "hardcore" they wish their experience to be. Personally, I would like to see open players able to download the "background sim" information to their local client if they so desire, but would rather the players in solo be unable to affect the grander "Open" universe. This simply makes more sense and keeps the open world in fair play.

Solo players should have a separate game launcher, no updates and separate forums as well.

 

[Sandmann]

On behalf of the Goon Squadron, paramilitary arm of the Revolutionary Jotunheim Resistance under Prince Harold "Big Harry" Duval, I would like to remind you to please remember the differences between the infamous "Goon Swarm" and our beloved Goon Squadron. Those folks operate in an entirely different galaxy and we would prefer if everyone could dial back the misrepresentation of our group. If you have any questions pertaining to our group here, please send me a PM and I would happily answer them. Else, please hold off on the group shaming.

I can assure you that Goon Squadron is currently focused on our own influence experiments within our home system of Jotunheim. We are not running around, interdicting people, yelling "say uncle" and griefing.

As to the subject of the thread, the discussion between solo and open is a very difficult, multifaceted conversation to have. One can respect the views of both sides, and many players fall on a spectrum of how "hardcore" they wish their experience to be. Personally, I would like to see open players able to download the "background sim" information to their local client if they so desire, but would rather the players in solo be unable to affect the grander "Open" universe. This simply makes more sense and keeps the open world in fair play.

Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion, not representative of Goon Squadron or it's individual members.

Thank you and fly safe commanders!

So essentially any griefer in any game ever is immediately, automatically and erroneously declared to be a Goon regardless of the actual facts, and despite the attempts of most of us to distance ourselves from Goonswarm as we ARE NOT affiliated with them in any capacity other than the fact that we happen to be community members from the same ~190,000 member strong forums as they are.

Yes, that's right, by that same logic, every person in Little Rock, Arkansas is also a , murderer and child molestor because there happen to have been a few in that city, and because the population of both the SA Forums and Little Rock are roughly the same.

OK, let me clarify. "People claiming to be goons" - happy now? Wow who woulda thunk that a group of organised thugs could be so sensitive. Sorry but yes, if you associate yourself with thugs people will assume you are thugs. Be sure that you shall be known by the company you keep.

 

[Ideas Man]

OK, let me clarify. "People claiming to be goons" - happy now? Wow who woulda thunk that a group of organised thugs could be so sensitive. Sorry but yes, if you associate yourself with thugs people will assume you are thugs. Be sure that you shall be known by the company you keep.

Thugs? Come on man, no need for that

 

[anikaiful]

Thugs? Come on man, no need for that

There's no better word.

 

[hexenritter]

Oh we're not sensitive, don't mistake our response to this as sensitivity, as you'll find natural selection in our native environment has given us a much thicker skin than mere mortals. We can and will claim any and all shenanigans that we are responsible for, quite openly and quite proudly, but being tarred and feathered on a regular basis by people who have either directly been butthurt as a result of one individual's actions in the past or have merely heard horror stories about us means that even newcomers to our forums who thenceforth identify themselves as a Goon end up dealing with ancient hatreds and rampant goonfear that they had absolutely no hand in establishing.

Also, not everyone claiming to be a Goon is a Goon, we have multiple other orgs who hate our guts and attacking people while claiming to be one of us is the purest and simplest form of psyops.


Ahahaha and now come the ad hominems. Yes obviously we're all thugs.

 

[Ideas Man]

There's no better word.

People?

Could you post your experiences with Goons that make you think they are thugs? I am really interested in hearing your stories about them.

 

[Sandmann]

Thugs? Come on man, no need for that

uhh... what did you think "goon" meant?

Random House dictionary 2005:

goon
[goon]

Examples
Word Origin

noun
1.
Informal. a hired hoodlum or thug.
2.
Slang.

a stupid, foolish, or awkward person.
a roughneck.

 

[hexenritter]

People?

Could you post your experiences with Goons that make you think they are thugs? I am really interested in hearing your stories about them.

I too am curious


Also, my Palladium Goblet Of Pubbie Tears is almost empty and I'm getting kind of thirsty.

 

[Ideas Man]

uhh... what did you think "goon" meant?

Random House dictionary 2005:

goon
[goon]

Examples
Word Origin

noun
1.
Informal. a hired hoodlum or thug.
2.
Slang.

a stupid, foolish, or awkward person.
a roughneck.

Come on man, you know exactly what I was getting at.