Open letter to Frontier

[Huros]

Yes I have dealt with harassment, and I have recently spoken about my experiences of domestic abuse at the hands of my ex-partner. In answer to your question Yes, I do work in Media Broadcasting. I have worked as a producer, writer, director and most recently as a Director of Photography on a feature film. I have over 20 years of experience in front of and behind camera in a variety of roles and currently earn my keep as an editor and post-production specialist. So I certainly can and do have the qualifications and experience to broadcast.

Next time, please don't bring a strawman to a flaming torch fight.

Excellent, and as Space Texan said nicely worded.

Well, with your experience of harassment then I would have expected you to have had a broader understanding for those who feel aggrieved by peoples behaviour in game and on the forums. As a professional broadcaster and expert in media of all types, I also would have thought you would attempt to take a more balanced view too.

Let me explain my "hyperbole", as you put it. I take the stance I have because I see it as the thin edge of the wedge. As more and more of our lives transfer to the internet, and we now have VR coming, how do we deal with unwanted behaviour? What is acceptable in a game we have all paid to enjoy? I welcome the discussion, not the out of hand dismissal, all opinions matter. Advocating treating of the incident the way I have increases debate and we are seeing some exceptionally good ideas coming out of it; see GluttonyFangs post about his ideas. Don't get me wrong, it is not ME making the debate, there are many great posts on either side of the argument. But that is the point, debate. Not shutting it down.

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Oh I'm not defending SDC here. They are       's clearly. It was a douchey move on their part. It's been dealt with. The issue here is that people are equating those actions to criminality and terrorism. Which is not only utterly ridiculous, but completely pathetic and immature.

Once again you are attempting to stifle the discussion with condesention and rudeness. Anyone who does not agree with you is "pathetic and immature". Charming.

 

[CMDR Argent Steel]

Please some mod close this pointless thread down? There are plenty of "open letters" already, many dealing with this same subject.

I'm getting tired.

 

[Huros]

Please some mod close this pointless thread down? There are plenty of "open letters" already, many dealing with this same subject.

I'm getting tired.

Hear Hear! And some very positive ones too!

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

You're equating players that just only broke the rules of the group as similar to terrorism and criminal activity. Which is silly.

 

[bitstorm]

Aye please do, the constant "like terrorists joining ISIS" and similar are getting really rather tiresome now.

Folk have had their say, people will keep reacting to such ridiculous comments, the thread will keep going round in circles.

(Check out my miserable face this is how everyone feels about it) /

 

[CMDR Argent Steel]

Aye please do, the constant "like terrorists joining ISIS" and similar are getting a bit tiresome now.

Folk have had their say, people will keep reacting to such ridiculous comments, the thread will keep going round in circles.

https://drive.google.com/uc?view=export&id=0B8ck-2ELKOuLN1NYY3J4clBldk0

(Yeah please just lock this of a thread, check out my miserable face this is how everyone feels about it) /

If the engineer says it who are we to argue?

 

[Huros]

You're equating players that just only broke the rules of the group as similar to terrorism and criminal activity. Which is silly.

No I am saying they are essentially "in game" terrorists as to argue we need a strong Crime and justice system to deal with it in a "simulated" manner. There is no "terrorism offences" in RL that they have performed.

Possible harassment ? Yes, but nothing else.

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Aye please do, the constant "like terrorists joining ISIS" and similar are getting really rather tiresome now.

Folk have had their say, people will keep reacting to such ridiculous comments, the thread will keep going round in circles.

https://drive.google.com/uc?view=export&id=0B8ck-2ELKOuLN1NYY3J4clBldk0

(Check out my miserable face this is how everyone feels about it) /

Yeah I agree that that statement is ridiculous and tiresome. There is no link between SDC and ISIL (haha brilliant.)

 

[Defector]

Since the mods locked my thread for being a duplicate, I'll just post this in every duplicate thread that is a subtext for, "We want a PVE mode."

So, for the last several weeks I have been playing in Open. For most of that time I have been assaulting settlements in a populated system. My problem is that I have NOT been attacked by another player a single time. In fact, of the dozens of CMDRs I've encountered, not one has tried to kill, grief, or rob me. Unfortunately, I even had to add a few to my friends list they were so nice. This is unacceptable.

And to make matters worse, five of my friends picked up Elite during the Winter Steam Sale, and they have the same problem. Even though they were new, the only "people" that gave them any trouble were NPCs. They were new for Christ's sake. How were they supposed to know the gold was a trap? Well, I say that, but one guy did crash into the station a few times. I think all the stations should be encased in elastic rubber, but that's a topic for another post.

On to my point.
I propose a PVP only mode. No NPCs, just other players. And it wouldn't hurt if ship weapons automatically fired at any other player within range. I was led to believe open was a seething cesspool of bloodshed, and that's NOT what I'm currently getting.

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

In terms of what they did, it was literally "All's fair in love and war". This isn't a problem necessarily with SDC, rather, a symptom of a larger problem that was never addressed up until now. Which is that group management was poorly handled and rarely if never upgraded.

As I've said before, because of how we have three modes, this is going to be one of the many symptoms and hiccups we'll see. As the game transitions towards more player interactions. Albeit in different and 'unexpected' ways (Though still allowed).

 

[Ian Phillips]

Since the mods locked my thread for being a duplicate, I'll just post this in every duplicate thread that is a subtext for, "We want a PVE mode."

Please don't -that is spamming.

 

[MahdDogg]

In terms of what they did, it was literally "All's fair in love and war". This isn't a problem necessarily with SDC, rather, a symptom of a larger problem that was never addressed up until now. Which is that group management was poorly handled and rarely if never upgraded.

Yes! This! Very much this! This is exactly the lesson to take from this whole situation.

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

Yes! This! Very much this! This is exactly the lesson to take from this whole situation.

That's the only lesson to be learned here, either give the groups the tools to manage themselves better and 'enforce' their own group (What i mean by this is SOLELY AND ONLY being able to promote and manage the roster of the group. Nothing else) OR just simply counter them and figure out a creative manner of dealing with the enemy players.

 

[Huros]

In terms of what they did, it was literally "All's fair in love and war". This isn't a problem necessarily with SDC, rather, a symptom of a larger problem that was never addressed up until now. Which is that group management was poorly handled and rarely if never upgraded.

As I've said before, because of how we have three modes, this is going to be one of the many symptoms and hiccups we'll see. As the game transitions towards more player interactions. Albeit in different and 'unexpected' ways (Though still allowed).

This is the issue that needs to be dealt with with a more comprehensive crime and justice system. The thing to take away from this. If we have people "roleplaying terrorists" then we need a better way to deal with them in game. We also need better private group management abilities. Splitting Mobeus into two is only a stop gap.

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

This is the issue that needs to be dealt with with a more comprehensive crime and justice system. The thing to take away from this. If we have people "roleplaying terrorists" then we need a better way to deal with them in game. We also need better private group management abilities. Splitting Mobeus into two is only a stop gap.

OR, hear me out, OOOORRR

Let Mobius Self-Police as is the intended purpose of private groups?

They have not only the man power to dunk on anyone that might stir up their personal beehive, why not let them set up their own taskforce to ensure their own member's safety?

Also, why not just improve how groups are managed and make it so more than one persona can remove problematic players? SIMPLE.


Edit: The problem here isn't "Role-Players" doing this, its the rules of the group versus how they were being able to be enforced in game. While nice, a comprehensive crime and justice system (which I assume you are referring to player set bounties and/or methods of tracking problematic players) isn't really going to sufficiently help with this sort of problem. That problem is literally, all the groups as of now, are limited to how they can manage their own members and what they may or may not enforce.

 

[Huros]

OR, hear me out, OOOORRR

Let Mobius Self-Police as is the intended purpose of private groups?

They have not only the man power to dunk on anyone that might stir up their personal beehive, why not let them set up their own taskforce to ensure their own member's safety?

Also, why not just improve how groups are managed and make it so more than one persona can remove problematic players? SIMPLE.

TOTALLY agree. There needs to be some appointed responsible group managers in some the groups. But i still feel it is a stop gap.

We need more to the in game mechanics though. This is a great, discussion on that https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=235327 there are others but it is a well rounded and considered view.

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

I also have to say, what I find really odd about this is the large outcry that's still happening.
IT almost reminds me of the explorers that were killed at Sagittarius A, but with more outcry and less shooty-shooty of the offender.

 

[Defector]

Please don't -that is spamming.

I can't tell which thread I'm looking at it. They contain the same topic, being discussed by the same people, posting the same thing.

 

[Riktar]

Oh I'm not defending SDC here. They are       's clearly. It was a douchey move on their part. It's been dealt with. The issue here is that people are equating those actions to criminality and terrorism. Which is not only utterly ridiculous, but completely pathetic and immature.

Your painting with a pretty broad brush here. There will always be extremists (On both sides) who will take things beyond reason which is ridiculous. But the implications of your post is equal in the sense that you are throwing accusations (and judgement) at an entire group.

I could say that people in Mobius are handling this in a responsible manner by using the in game tools rather than just whining and making up some half baked excuse about their actions like people in SDC have done. And it would have the same level of accuracy and truth as yours. Just by simply leaving it at "people".

Your statement is too generalized to be taken as a specific point. By itself or in a debate.

Unless your intent was to flame bait or stir the pot.

 

[clavain]

Indeed, but some of us don't go smearing it on the walls and calling it an argument.

Except on Twitter.

 

[TheSpaceTexan]

Your painting with a pretty broad brush here. There will always be extremists (On both sides) who will take things beyond reason which is ridiculous. But the implications of your post is equal in the sense that you are throwing accusations at an entire group.

I could say that people in Mobius are handling this in a responsible manner by using the in game tools rather than just whining and making up some half baked excuse about their actions like people in SDC have done. And it would have the same level of accuracy and truth as yours. Just by simply leaving it at "people".

Your statement is too generalized to be taken as a specific point. By itself or in a debate.

Unless your intent was to flame bait or stir the pot.

No, he has a point, the way this has been handled by the community is literally laughable. Hell, I'd even argue the reaction was so bad that things like this are unfortunately going to occur more.

Edit: And that's what's truly sad about it. Instead of giving the offenders the attention and reaction they wanted. All of this could have been prevented if the group was managed better and had better enforcement/self-policing.