If I could, I'd give that some serious thought. Completely removing them from the internet would be nice. I could pay someone to do it, but they're not relevant enough.
Open letter to Frontier
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If I could, I'd give that some serious thought. Completely removing them from the internet would be nice. I could pay someone to do it, but they're not relevant enough.
I want to reply, it's just been so long since I've seen another soul that I've forgotten how to work the comms
engaging in such activities is completely illegal in many jurisdictions of course - and can get you into some very serious trouble.Just make sure the unsecured network printer, running some third-party OS that's been torn to pieces 20 years go, is in a country that doesn't have an extradition agreement with wherever you don't want to spend some quality time with Bubba
Seriously - don't even think about this kind of thing.
That's right, yes. If you're playing Eve, you're in the same universe as every other player, all the time. No solo, no private groups. However, that wasn't the point I was making.
It seems that Frontier Development's stance towards "griefing" is the same as CCP's. No exploits = no problem and anything that happens within the rule set of the game engine is fine. Yes, they infiltrated a private group and blew up a few ships but in doing so they didn't break the TOS, nor did they abuse any in game exploit to achieve their goals. This is acceptable to Frontier Developments and that's all that matters. It may suck for many people, but then how many times have we heard people complaining about the game and how many times have they had the same response? "The game is boring" : "Maybe it's not the game for you". "It's just a massive grind" : "Maybe it's not the game for you". Now we're hearing "Some guys just infiltrated my private group and blew up some ships!". Well, maybe, given that Frontier have no objection to this action, it would be fair to say that "it's not the game for you"?
You had me at rocks.
However, that was the point the OP was making. This wasn't done in Open, it was a private group with specific rules. Rules that this group of players deliberately and with malice chose to break. Players who eschew PvP are constantly told to stay out of Open and play in solo or private groups, only to find that even in those private groups they cannot avoid having to deal with these very same, I'd call them numpties, but that would be an insult... to numpties, who don't deserve that.
I'll play the game the way I choose, and I'll thank you to respect that choice as I respect the choice you made. If you wish to join Mobius then abide by it's rules. If you cannot abide by the rules, please notify Mobius and I am sure he will respect your choice, as I would, by placing you on the blocked list.
I only play in solo these days. It's great. You get nice quick system jumps and nobody comes and steals your bounty kills. Plus, I use bars, restaurants, gigs, festivals and occasionally facebook for socialising, I don't need it in a game of Elite.
I for one am looking forward to the AI improvements. I like a challenge and the NPC's ARE getting a bit easy as they are.
Since when did Mobius set the rules of the game? Oh, right, he didn't, he set the rules of his private group, which are not the rules FD applies and enforces, they are the rules MOBIUS applies and enforces because they are his personal rules in addition to the actual official rules that FD sets. Therefore, you can whine and cry all you want about how some SDC members broke MOBIUS' rules, but they did not break any of the OFFICIAL rules that FD set. HUGE difference there, and you don't see it...yeah, you did hit the Animal Farm call on the head there, but not for the reasons you thought.
Mobius is supposedly, per it's own website and all the signatures and Inara, a Group PvE organization. So, I made a suggestion to help narrow that massive and totally out of control and totally unvetted member list down to a size that's easier to manage AND to just the people who are actually there for the stated purpose OF the organization in the first place. Oh, and you are right, I don't get to decide how anyone else plays, NEITHER does Mobius or you or anyone in the group, even those folks who infiltrate the group just to break the made up and totally unofficial rules Mobius set. MIGHT want to think long and hard on that one....can't tell anyone else they don't get to set rules and expect that to not apply equally to you.
And if Mobius doesn't vet people, despite having been infiltrated by people set to gank the people in the organization repeatedly, then you really rather give up any rights to complaining when that exact thing happens again..and again...and again. And you sure as hell don't have any right to demand FD do anything about people who broke NO rules that FD set.
Mobius' rules are his, not FD's, FD didn't sanction his rules, they didn't sanction the private group, they have nothing to do with it, and since none of FD's actual rules were broken, your hurt feelings don't matter at all. There are ways to prevent the situation from happening AGAIN, and yet no one is taking steps to insure that it doesn't happen again. Instead, you are demanding that FD punish people who didn't break a single rule FD has set, because....well...BECAUSE!
Again, you got it right with Animal Farm, but I'm not the pig in charge, I'm not the one who's demanding that some of us be treated more equal than others are...that would be...you.
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But none of Frontier's rules were broken. I thought I read that pretty clear. Twice. I don't think it's Frontier's job to enforce the rules of Mobius group, or mine, or anyones for that matter. Missed high and wide.
I respect your point, but your example does not corroborate it. I have to question why a super group with one admin would permit the applications of many commanders who have expressed no specific intention to actually play in that group? Unless its just to say, "Our group has x thousand members." Breaking ball in the dirt. Checked swing.
Illuminates the problems with letting 100,000 Syrian refuges into your country. In a group of however many thousand members, the VAST majority personally unknown, how can you expect to be 100% safe just on the word they've agreed to play by your rules? You caught the corner with that one.
And Mobius can, and did, enforce them. As I understand FDEV even assisted them with that because their join/kick log was as full as it was and not working. Yet some people who read Zac's post over on reddit seem to think not only does FDEV condone and ignore this behavior, but they are somehow to blame for it. Again, its not Frontier's job to enforce private group rules. Its not their fault they wormed their way into the group, and its not the first or last time that's going to happen.
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Want to put a check in this kind of behavior? Stop this thread now, and when it happens in the future deal with it quietly and never speak of it again. This much public clamour over what seems to me a minor and unavoidable incident will only encourage STD or whoever they are to try again, and again, and again.
For me, I find meeting a human immersion breaking wether they want to shoot me or if they want to wave out the window at me and invite me on their ship for a cup of tea. I'm all "Sorry mate, I'm busy playing this here game, could you come back later when I have have a moment"
The simple solution is a working block mode, and the ability for individuals/groups to share their block lists. ats will eventually find themselves in a lonely universe by natural selection.
Again: it did happen before. Numerous times. One of those 'heroes' repeatedly bragged on these forums about it. So why do some many in this topic dont know about it: Easy: how many Mobius guys are there? 20k? Thats less than 2% of the players. How many people did that kill? Say a dozen. Thats less than 0.01% of Mobius players. So we had a few cases in which 0.0002% of players had to pay some insurance. The horror! Quick FD, drop everything you are doing and make this your top priority.
Yes, this individual was a total , but as usual there is no reason to go all doom&gloom about it as some in this topic do. Just shake your head and move on.
Mobius is 20,000 now but it increases at a phenomenal rate. They get about 1000 new recruits every two weeks
How many of them were attacked by the SDC infiltrators? How many of them lost a ship and rebuy costs? Now, do the math, so how many members of Mobius were actually affected by this event?
Not my thread or my decision. Personally if I were a Moderator, I would terminate every PvP vs PvE thread created as utterly pointless, so I think that there are many who would be thankful that I am not.
Thankyou for acknowledging that rules were broken and that some appropriate actions were taken. Hopefully the list of Commander's names involved in this group has been distributed to all of the private groups so that where it is deemed appropriate they can be added to the banned lists for them as well.
You know, as I said in another post, PvE players are constantly told to stay out of Open and play in Private groups or play Solo. Yet when a group is created to cater for those players even that cannot be abided by some. If a player wishes to join a Private group then please do it the favour of abiding by it's rules. If you are unable to comply, inform the group administrator and he will respect your choice by preventing you from joining the group.
Following that simple advice would have prevented this thread from ever being started.
I agree. but in a group that large its an impossibility. Its like joining the 20,000 member strong Pascagoula Anti-Thievery League, going to their annual meeting at some stadium with all their members there, setting your souvenir T-shirt and coffee cup on your seat to go for a walk and expect no one will have taken it by the time you get back. Stuff never goes the way you expect with that many people involved.
Vetting applicants after the group had already been infiltrated multiple times would also have prevented this thread from ever being started. Relying on the players of this game, who've already shown they can't be trusted to not try and join Mobius JUST to gank it's members, is not just naive, it's actually criminally negligent at this point.
Question: Do you always blame the victim?
Could you read the posts before replying in the future. Thanks
I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but there's only 1 affected member that matters: Mobius himself. The fact that he had to contact FDev directly to help him manage a group which so many people find important speaks volumes to the real issue here. The group management tools need a massive upgrade.
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